What is your top 10 atg p4p now

[RonnyJ]

With the never ending succes manny had, with mayweather ending his career and being considered the greatest defensive boxer ever.

What is your top 10 p4p ever? Mine, something like this.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Harry Greb
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Benny Leonard
8. Joe Louis
9. Floyd Mayweather Jr
10. Roberto Duran

[Best Coast]

With the never ending succes manny had, with mayweather ending his career and being considered the greatest defensive boxer ever.

What is your top 10 p4p ever? Mine, something like this.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Harry Greb
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Benny Leonard
8. Joe Louis
9. Floyd Mayweather Jr
10. Roberto Duran

Reasonable list!! I dont have time for a full top 10 right now but my top 3 would be:

1. Armstrong
2. Robinson
3. Benny Leonard

[Onetimeonly]

Reasonable fighters, PAC over Floyd isn't reasonable to me. My top 5 is Greb, Langford, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles.

[RonnyJ]

Reasonable fighters, PAC over Floyd isn't reasonable to me. My top 5 is Greb, Langford, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles.

floyd has 50 fights, pac has 71 fights.

floyd moved up ~4 weight classes, pac moved up ~10 weight classes.

floyd has always been known to avoid dangerous prime boxer, such as prime margarito, prime williams, prime pacquiao, he also wanted to have nothing to do with thurman or spence later in his career and chosed easy fights against b level like berto or z level like mcgregor. what did pac do later in his career, fights dangerous punchers like matthyse or thurman.

manny while being in his prime said 1000 times I WANT FLOYD, what did floyd say at the same time while being in his prime?

1 blood test
2 he needs to leave top rank
3 he needs to be on TMT
4 he needs to take less money/ no 50% 50%
5 asians are known to take substances

excuse after excuse and waiting 6 years, he was just scared to lose his 0 against a prime pacquiao, because he knew pac has the best stamina ever and high punch vol would have him cost him many rounds.

you can say pac lost some, but floyd lost also (castillo, maidana and pacquiao were draw or lose fights)

[Onetimeonly]

Reasonable fighters, PAC over Floyd isn't reasonable to me. My top 5 is Greb, Langford, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles.

floyd has 50 fights, pac has 71 fights.

floyd moved up ~4 weight classes, pac moved up ~10 weight classes.

floyd has always been known to avoid dangerous prime boxer, such as prime margarito, prime williams, prime pacquiao, he also wanted to have nothing to do with thurman or spence later in his career and chosed easy fights against b level like berto or z level like mcgregor. what did pac do later in his career, fights dangerous punchers like matthyse or thurman.

manny while being in his prime said 1000 times I WANT FLOYD, what did floyd say at the same time while being in his prime?

1 blood test
2 he needs to leave top rank
3 he needs to be on TMT
4 he needs to take less money/ no 50% 50%
5 asians are known to take substances

excuse after excuse and waiting 6 years, he was just scared to lose his 0 against a prime pacquiao, because he knew pac has the best stamina ever and high punch vol would have him cost him many rounds.

you can say pac lost some, but floyd lost also (castillo, maidana and pacquiao were draw or lose fights)

[Cent0089]

Agree with Manny over Floyd, but disagree with Manny over Ali

[RonnyJ]

Agree with Manny over Floyd, but disagree with Manny over Ali

Ali lost to many fights. Norton, frazier etc. He got so many gift descisions.

Also he was often out of shape. In the second half of his career he never looked in tip top shape, while manny at 40 looked he took a timemachine and travelled back when he was 26.

Manny Pacquiao is arguably the hardest training boxer ever. You wont find many boxer who trained so dedicated so hard like him. Bonus for his legacy

[Onetimeonly]

Agree with Manny over Floyd, but disagree with Manny over Ali

Ali lost to many fights. Norton, frazier etc. He got so many gift descisions.

Also he was often out of shape. In the second half of his career he never looked in tip top shape,

High praise for the 3rd greatest fighter of all time! So you seriously have Robinson and Manny as the top 2 all time without room for debate? Manny's conditioning is always great, he was also a walking pharmacy for a long time.

[Enlightened-One]

Reasonable fighters, PAC over Floyd isn't reasonable to me. My top 5 is Greb, Langford, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles.

floyd has 50 fights, pac has 71 fights.

floyd moved up ~4 weight classes, pac moved up ~10 weight classes.

floyd has always been known to avoid dangerous prime boxer, such as prime margarito, prime williams, prime pacquiao, he also wanted to have nothing to do with thurman or spence later in his career and chosed easy fights against b level like berto or z level like mcgregor. what did pac do later in his career, fights dangerous punchers like matthyse or thurman.

manny while being in his prime said 1000 times I WANT FLOYD, what did floyd say at the same time while being in his prime?

1 blood test
2 he needs to leave top rank
3 he needs to be on TMT
4 he needs to take less money/ no 50% 50%
5 asians are known to take substances

excuse after excuse and waiting 6 years, he was just scared to lose his 0 against a prime pacquiao, because he knew pac has the best stamina ever and high punch vol would have him cost him many rounds.

you can say pac lost some, but floyd lost also (castillo, maidana and pacquiao were draw or lose fights)

Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career shall we?

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Five were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley; Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

In terms of your comments about Manny Pacquiao…

He used to pretend that the reason why he wouldn't participate in blood based drug testing was due to his so-called fear of needles, yet he enjoyed getting a load of tattoos.

Manny even rejected a guaranteed opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr., because he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

His performance levels dipped when he finally agreed to undergo blood based PED tests for his bouts. Some say this was merely a coincidence.

[tiny_acres]

floyd has 50 fights, pac has 71 fights.

floyd moved up ~4 weight classes, pac moved up ~10 weight classes.

floyd has always been known to avoid dangerous prime boxer, such as prime margarito, prime williams, prime pacquiao, he also wanted to have nothing to do with thurman or spence later in his career and chosed easy fights against b level like berto or z level like mcgregor. what did pac do later in his career, fights dangerous punchers like matthyse or thurman.

manny while being in his prime said 1000 times I WANT FLOYD, what did floyd say at the same time while being in his prime?

1 blood test
2 he needs to leave top rank
3 he needs to be on TMT
4 he needs to take less money/ no 50% 50%
5 asians are known to take substances

excuse after excuse and waiting 6 years, he was just scared to lose his 0 against a prime pacquiao, because he knew pac has the best stamina ever and high punch vol would have him cost him many rounds.

you can say pac lost some, but floyd lost also (castillo, maidana and pacquiao were draw or lose fights)

Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career shall we?

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Five were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley; Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

In terms of your comments about Manny Pacquiao…

He used to pretend that the reason why he wouldn't participate in blood based drug testing was due to his so-called fear of needles, yet he enjoyed getting a load of tattoos.

Manny even rejected a guaranteed opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr., because he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

His performance levels dipped when he finally agreed to undergo blood based PED tests for his bouts. Some say this was merely a coincidence.

EO this is your best post ever

[boxing_rocks]

Reasonable fighters, PAC over Floyd isn't reasonable to me. My top 5 is Greb, Langford, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles.

I can only imagine what prime Golovkin would do with Greb. Poor Harry.

[Heretic]

Manny is easily higher than Floyd.

Ali gets bit overrated for being Ali.

Trying to rank the different eras is pretty useless.

[boxing_rocks]

Trying to rank the different eras is pretty useless.

Exactly. It is ridiculous to compare Greb and Canelo.

[Onetimeonly]

Reasonable fighters, PAC over Floyd isn't reasonable to me. My top 5 is Greb, Langford, Robinson, Armstrong and Charles.

I can only imagine what prime Golovkin would do with Greb. Poor Harry.

[RonnyJ]

floyd has 50 fights, pac has 71 fights.

floyd moved up ~4 weight classes, pac moved up ~10 weight classes.

floyd has always been known to avoid dangerous prime boxer, such as prime margarito, prime williams, prime pacquiao, he also wanted to have nothing to do with thurman or spence later in his career and chosed easy fights against b level like berto or z level like mcgregor. what did pac do later in his career, fights dangerous punchers like matthyse or thurman.

manny while being in his prime said 1000 times I WANT FLOYD, what did floyd say at the same time while being in his prime?

1 blood test
2 he needs to leave top rank
3 he needs to be on TMT
4 he needs to take less money/ no 50% 50%
5 asians are known to take substances

excuse after excuse and waiting 6 years, he was just scared to lose his 0 against a prime pacquiao, because he knew pac has the best stamina ever and high punch vol would have him cost him many rounds.

you can say pac lost some, but floyd lost also (castillo, maidana and pacquiao were draw or lose fights)

Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career shall we?

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Five were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley; Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

In terms of your comments about Manny Pacquiao…

He used to pretend that the reason why he wouldn't participate in blood based drug testing was due to his so-called fear of needles, yet he enjoyed getting a load of tattoos.

Manny even rejected a guaranteed opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr., because he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

His performance levels dipped when he finally agreed to undergo blood based PED tests for his bouts. Some say this was merely a coincidence.

Already at the first sentence you wrote is a mistake. Floyd doesnt have a clean 50-0 record. Castillo I was a 100% loss and i dont go by judges and other oppinions. I go by who landed more and who landed the big shots, castillo did both.

EO. You didnt need to tell me how great floyd. I got him in my top 10 atg.

Your memory is bad. Remember manny said no to testing and very quick, just 1 or 2 month after he said no, all of the sudden he said yes and he is ready to go and wants to fight. What did floyd than do after manny aggreed to testing, he than made 100 of other demands and founds new reasons not to fighz prime manny, thetefore he waited years and yeard. Took a 2 year vacation. He wanted to weight for manny to turn in past prime manny and this is what happened ans even against past prime manny he rarly landed 1 clean big punch on manny in the whole damn fight. Running holding and hiding scared behind his defence. He did nothing 13 rds long against a past prime shoulder injured version of manny pacquiao. The prime or the thurman version of pac wouldve wrecked floyd.

Manny won by descision

As did maidana

[squiggy]

Manny won by descision

This part is a bridge too far.
You don't need Manny to have won head-to-head to argue that he's greater P4P -- the insane range across weights can do a lot of heavy lifting for that case.
...but he didnt win head-to-head.

[ewenhay]

floyd has 50 fights, pac has 71 fights.

floyd moved up ~4 weight classes, pac moved up ~10 weight classes.

floyd has always been known to avoid dangerous prime boxer, such as prime margarito, prime williams, prime pacquiao, he also wanted to have nothing to do with thurman or spence later in his career and chosed easy fights against b level like berto or z level like mcgregor. what did pac do later in his career, fights dangerous punchers like matthyse or thurman.

manny while being in his prime said 1000 times I WANT FLOYD, what did floyd say at the same time while being in his prime?

1 blood test
2 he needs to leave top rank
3 he needs to be on TMT
4 he needs to take less money/ no 50% 50%
5 asians are known to take substances

excuse after excuse and waiting 6 years, he was just scared to lose his 0 against a prime pacquiao, because he knew pac has the best stamina ever and high punch vol would have him cost him many rounds.

you can say pac lost some, but floyd lost also (castillo, maidana and pacquiao were draw or lose fights)

Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career shall we?

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title 16½ years by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Five were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley; Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

In terms of your comments about Manny Pacquiao…

He used to pretend that the reason why he wouldn't participate in blood based drug testing was due to his so-called fear of needles, yet he enjoyed getting a load of tattoos.

Manny even rejected a guaranteed opportunity to face Floyd Mayweather Jr., because he didn't want to undergo blood based drug testing.

His performance levels dipped when he finally agreed to undergo blood based PED tests for his bouts. Some say this was merely a coincidence.

I'm not sure you've argued your point sufficiently.

Lazy