Chisora new trainer confirmed.

[MasterG]

Derek Chisora will now be working with Steve Broughton ahead of this weekend clash with David Price.

[TopGun]

Not heard of him before, can anyone educate me on him please?

[Stuarty]

Not heard of him before, can anyone educate me on him please?

The name rang a bell but i googled him and can't place him either. Looks quite young.

[fizzjambo]

Pretty sure he was part of Hayes team at one point

[dbf]

He was Shane McGuigans no 2 for a while then he left Shane to work with Haye alongside Salas for the second bellew fight. More of a pad man then a trainer I believe.

[Muttley]

He was Shane McGuigans no 2 for a while then he left Shane to work with Haye alongside Salas for the second bellew fight. More of a pad man then a trainer I believe.

Let me get this straight. Chisora's new trainer was the no.2 to a young man that was basically a fitness trainer? How does that work?

[jameswilson]

New trainer and comes in heavy.



Ohhhhhhhh Ello!!!

[Coco]

And I bet he will be cheap as well as being still overpaid

[Grilling Machine]

S&C man who said Haye had gone full Cher and turned back time for the Bellew rematch.

[Muttley]

Let me get this straight. Chisora's new trainer was the no.2 to a young man that was basically a fitness trainer? How does that work?

I think at a certain level or experience boxer’s just need a fitness trainer anyway who’s gonna teach like maywether anything

The problem is,before you know it there will be no experienced trainers in the gyms which is very worrying. Chisora,Fury and Groves/Haye had young and inexperienced 'trainers' Everyone on here knows you don't play at boxing

[coneye]

Always said it , when you get a kid comes in as a juniour , you teach him he may well win medals from say 10 -16 ,,, But when he turns seniour its a different kettle of fish , some may carry there success through , but a lot will not , basicly they start there apprentaship , after a number of years , you will have them at there best , they can be , some will turn over , it then takes time to teach again the style needed and whats needed .

Basicly , NO ONE can wake up one day and say , Mmmm i know think i'll be a boxer ,, they have to learn the job , be it ameteur or pro , does'nt matter someone has to teach then ,,,,, Then it applys to trainers / coaches ,,,, you don't wake up and decide Mmmm i know think i'll be a coach today , you have to learn ,someone has to show you , you have to pick the brains of everyone and anyone ,,

You have to learn how to put acros your knoledge , how to handle differnt fighters and there nerves ect ect , and you don't do this on a course , so it really makes me wonder where did these young high profile trainers learn the art of coaching , ESPECIELLY when the yave gone straight to the top .

To me Ben Davidson is a perfect example , i listen to him and its all about , i knew this would happen , i told Tyson A would happen and B would follow , He also just sates the obvious , its allmost like he's constantly seeking affermation he's doing it correct , when really he's just being a mate that Tyson listens too , Tyson is not being taught fook all in fact if his last fight is to go by he's started to regress ,, Shane Mcguigan on the other hand seems to be doing well , but the difference between these young fella's is Shane , has been taught boxing his whole life , Boxing to Shane is just second nature , Ben got the job because he's a good bloke ,

I actually agree with Tysons dad he needs to get rid

[dbf]

Interesting point. We could dissect many of Britains trainers resumes and see what experience/training they really have and perhaps the findings would be surprising.

Adam Booth for example, largely regarded as one of our best trainers. He boxed 20 odd times as a junior in the amateurs but what coaching experience did he have prior to Haye? From what I understand, not much. He was a PT in 3rd Space Gym in London doing pads with clients. Isn't that how him and Haye met?

He then starts helping out at Fitzroy but I don't believe he ever coached any other amateurs to a regional or national aba title?

So who was he learning from? Then when Haye turns professional who was his mentor as a coach in the pro's? It appears he just figured it out for himself and lets be fair he's done a very good job!!

Boxing is so different to other sports in that there is no real coaching pathway in the pro's and therefore we have a completely diverse mix ex boxers, fitness coaches and complete new comers doing corners and training fighters yet more often than not it seems to work. Funny old game.

[Coco]

Looking at the likes of Chisora and Fury, they won't be learning more, they need a trainer to get them fit and motivated, keep calm in the corner and to give clear instructions.

[coneye]

I don't believe a trainer needs to have been a good boxer , in fact sometimes quite the opposite ,, but i do believe they must have some experience , done lots o sparring , how else do they know what a fella goes through getting punched in the head , many good boxers are good because there just natural ,, there shown how to throw a hook for example and just do it naturaly ,, yet ask them to show a beginer a hook and they just do it and don't even know how they done it . So being a boxer is not always beneficial ,,, However being a good trainer is different , you have to know how to teach not just get fit and motivate , , you have to be able to read fights , and know when you tell your charge to feint the right come back with a hook its gonna work , not put him in a precarious position ,,,

I think boxing standards really are dropping , primarily because , there are so many coaches out there who are just fitness and motivational coaches ,,

[Muttley]

I don't believe a trainer needs to have been a good boxer , in fact sometimes quite the opposite ,, but i do believe they must have some experience , done lots o sparring , how else do they know what a fella goes through getting punched in the head , many good boxers are good because there just natural ,, there shown how to throw a hook for example and just do it naturaly ,, yet ask them to show a beginer a hook and they just do it and don't even know how they done it . So being a boxer is not always beneficial ,,, However being a good trainer is different , you have to know how to teach not just get fit and motivate , , you have to be able to read fights , and know when you tell your charge to feint the right come back with a hook its gonna work , not put him in a precarious position ,,,

I think boxing standards really are dropping , primarily because , there are so many coaches out there who are just fitness and motivational coaches ,,

I agree. If we are being totally honest, how many world class trainers are there in the Uk,today? forget the amateurs because that is where the real trainers are. I'd really like to know everyones opinion on how many world class trainers we have in the Uk.

[dbf]

I don't believe a trainer needs to have been a good boxer , in fact sometimes quite the opposite ,, but i do believe they must have some experience , done lots o sparring , how else do they know what a fella goes through getting punched in the head , many good boxers are good because there just natural ,, there shown how to throw a hook for example and just do it naturaly ,, yet ask them to show a beginer a hook and they just do it and don't even know how they done it . So being a boxer is not always beneficial ,,, However being a good trainer is different , you have to know how to teach not just get fit and motivate , , you have to be able to read fights , and know when you tell your charge to feint the right come back with a hook its gonna work , not put him in a precarious position ,,,

I think boxing standards really are dropping , primarily because , there are so many coaches out there who are just fitness and motivational coaches ,,

I agree. If we are being totally honest, how many world class trainers are there in the Uk,today? forget the amateurs because that is where the real trainers are. I'd really like to know everyones opinion on how many world class trainers we have in the Uk.

Good question. I would perhaps suggest Dom Ingle for the consistency in turning out british, european and world champs from kids. No other coach in the UK can currently claim that although I think Gallagher may have a claim. Joe G was a very good and established amateur coach before the pro's.

But what I don't see a lot of is trainers who genuinely can change a fighter they have inherited for the better. That to me is when you can tell a trainer apart. Manny Steward quite clearly did this on several occasions and probably one of the reasons he's so highly regarded.

[coneye]

Dom Ingle , well theres a character , some love , some hate ,, But he does produce the goods , do they all win top teir awards , no they don;t , but what they do is seem to reach there own full potential , and he brings them up from beginer to champ , , he does'nt inherit them becaus he knows a promoter , or he's a celebrity trainer , he just knows what he's doing

And whats the difference wetween Don and these others , HE LEARNT HIS TRADE ,, He learnt under his father , off his brother and probably of all the many boxers who passed the the gym ...

Curiously enough , in recent interviews , i've seen Don be a bit scathing off trainers , stating theres more to being a good trainer than learning to hold pads ,

[spudder56]

Pretty sure he was part of Hayes team at one point

I understand that he is joe Joyce’s manager as he’s a board licensed manager

[coneye]

Let me get this straight. Chisora's new trainer was the no.2 to a young man that was basically a fitness trainer? How does that work?

I think at a certain level or experience boxer’s just need a fitness trainer anyway who’s gonna teach like maywether anything

Correct , , they probably cannot teach him anything , BUT they can keep an eye on him and make sure everything is still quality and up to scratch , its easy even for the best to develope bad habits , above all its the trainer having the confidence to tell Mayweather or , Hagler whoever it is ,, look your focus is slipping , your hands are dropping ect ect , its not always about teaching new things , just ensuring its all on the right track

[Controversial]

Trainers can be an odd one. Is it better having an established and successful trainer but maybe not click with them, or have someone you click with who isn't so well known. It will be different for each fighter. Eubank Snr had Ronnie Davis who to be honest was completely ignored by both Eubanks when he was in their corner.

If you look at golf or tennis even the greatest players use coaches, many who were never that successful themselves at the sport, but they can look for minor errors and adjustments that maybe the pro has slipped into a bad habit that is affecting their game. Same for trainers, I don't think you need to have been a successful fighter but knowing what to look for and making those adjustments is what it is all about.

Ben Davison might not have a established background but he seems to get the best out of Fury mentally which for someone like Fury is only a good thing.

[dbf]

I don't believe you need to have boxed to become a good coach however as a coach you need to have learnt from other trainers at the very least.

In the pro's there is no recognized coaching pathway unlike in the amateurs. In England the am coaching courses have been overhauled (were not that bad when I did my level 1 and 2) but they are much much more thorough than the Board's current course I believe although it has improved so I hear.

Because of this you get various types of people becoming a trainer unlike in most other sports where it would be unheard of to have a pt become a professional coach.

I've said many times on this board that coaching in the pro's is as much about the relationship between the boxer and the trainer as it about the actual skills of the coach. Being able to communicate well and just clicking with a fighter can sometimes go alot further than being a brilliant trainer. Case in point, Ben Davison has that connection with Tyson. Personally I think Fury should have gone to the ingles as his style would have been well suited there but obviously Ben is what he needs.