Was this fight bought?

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Was this fight bought?

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Honest question.

Kovalev winning most of the rds. Canelo saving energy low punch output, like he knew in the 11 rds he would take a lot of energy for the fake ko.

When you are much taller and stronger than your opponent than u at least try to ko him at some point. What did kovalev do, jab all day, give high 5 to canelo. No hooks, no aggressive attack.

This fight felt like a sparring session.

Than at the end an experienced boxer like kovalev wouldve walked away used his degence not to get hit from canelos hooks. What did he do lower his hands, leaving his head totaly open inviting canelo for the last shot to the chin.

Than instead of the ref counting kovalev he takes him out right away.

This fight doesnt felt right. Canelo looked slow. No p4p #1 discussions. This is galaxys away from lomas talent. Thats why i always say talent is more important than record. Canelo on paper is now the most accomplished boxer on earth, but inoue, loma or usyk are just better.
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Kovalev must have aged over night. He didn't commit to any of his punches. Punches had no power was just pawing at canelo. The crusher no more. Needs to retire and take his millions and set sail.

Next....
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Just look at the difference from this and the yarde fight.

At the yarde fight his gave everything. Tonight it was 50 %. Just jabs, no commitmant, not ones tried he to hurt the smaller canelo. A friendly sparring. This fight didnt felt right.
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No
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Maybe the question that should be asked is why was Canelo stronger than Kovalev?
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RScarf1 wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 04:58 Maybe the question that should be asked is why was Canelo stronger than Kovalev?
Canelo becoming stronger is logic. He gained weight he became bigger.

I still think kovalev was stronger than canelo, kovalev just didnt commit to his punches.

Just flabby jabs, never 1 single hook where he puts his bidy weight into. No effort.

Like it was a planned out game. Do a bit for 10 rds and than let yourself get kod.
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Clearly kovalev was ahead 9 rounds and 2 rounds canelo, difintly judges were bought. Knowing this, still kovalev had to work hard, instead of slowing down and killing time to 12 rounds.
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Boxtune wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 05:44 Clearly kovalev was ahead 9 rounds and 2 rounds canelo, difintly judges were bought. Knowing this, still kovalev had to work hard, instead of slowing down and killing time to 12 rounds.
Lets make it simple.

The judges were bought, thats obvious, do u think the outcome was also bought?
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Very odd tactics from kovalev, he was doing the right thing keeping Canelo busy with the jab, but he needed to throw more behind both the jab, and to put in a lot more power shots.

Round 8 he pushed Canelo back and Canelo looked to be struggling, but he just didn't maintain it.

Maybe he was gassing, he certainly seemed to go very suddenly, just before the knockout a left to the top of the head seemed to stiffen the legs, and the left hook which had him in trouble was a solid shot, but not a huge shot.

I don't think it was a fix at all, there was nothing fake about the way he went down.
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:lol:
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the punch before the ko right cross was a punch that landed behind the ear. behind the ear is a ko punch, i give that to canelo. but the ref waving it off so quick irritates me. its not like a pacquiao hatton moment happened, where you could say "he wont 100 % get up in the next 10 secondes from this knock down".

the fight simply feels bought. judges had canelo leading on points, when kovalev was leading on points. kovalev never tried to hurt the smaller lighter canelo. it just doesnt feel right.
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As if Kov wanted to get brutally KTFO.

I feel like no one wants to give Canelo credit. Perhaps Kov looked timid because of the beast in front of him, and he was worried about gassing out. The style he employed is typical Buddy McGirt bs too, so maybe blame McGirt.
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many people online think it was fixed, Badu Jack said "it almost looked like it was fixed" on youtube..
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Onetimeonly wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 13:51:lol:
:TU:
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victor-romeo wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 14:20 many people online think it was fixed, Badu Jack said "it almost looked like it was fixed" on youtube..
Realy. Interresting
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Why do I keep seeing Yarde as some kind of measuring stick? Strong guy who had a fragile, dead tired Kovalev infront of him and couldn't put him away. Says more about the shortcomings of Yarde.
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Blodhemn wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 14:54 Why do I keep seeing Yarde as some kind of measuring stick? Strong guy who had a fragile, dead tired Kovalev infront of him and couldn't put him away. Says more about the shortcomings of Yarde.
in the yarde fight, kovalev gave everything, he was aggressive at times, tried to hurt yarde, pushed the action and unleashed hooks etc.

in the canelo fight he was high 5 canelo all the time, he was nice, like he was having a light sparring with a friend and doesnt want to hurt him to much.

come on, if you in a multi million dollar fight and your opponent is natural much smaller and lighter than you, than you try to be physicle and rough him up, hooks to the body, uppercuts to the chin, you try to fu%&k him up. you dont throw 1 million jabs and high 5 all the time.
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He respected Canelo cos he's much higher quality than Yarde. If he fought Canelo as open as he did Yarde, he would've KOd sooner. I've been saying it for a while tho - Kovalev should forget about this distance shit and just focus on 4 rounds of dishing out hell - but he doesn't even seem capable of that anymore, which is just insane to me for a pro athlete.
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Blodhemn wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:22 He respected Canelo cos he's much higher quality than Yarde. If he fought Canelo as open as he did Yarde, he would've KOd sooner. I've been saying it for a while tho - Kovalev should forget about this distance poo and just focus on 4 rounds of dishing out hell - but he doesn't even seem capable of that anymore, which is just insane to me for a pro athlete.
i think yarde is much bigger, stronger than canelo and would tko canelo. yarde was a more dangerous opponent than canelo.

yarde/kovalev was a close fight. kovalev won every round against canelo. maybe 2 for canelo.
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RonnyJ wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:12
Blodhemn wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 14:54 Why do I keep seeing Yarde as some kind of measuring stick? Strong guy who had a fragile, dead tired Kovalev infront of him and couldn't put him away. Says more about the shortcomings of Yarde.
in the yarde fight, kovalev gave everything, he was aggressive at times, tried to hurt yarde, pushed the action and unleashed hooks etc.

in the canelo fight he was high 5 canelo all the time, he was nice, like he was having a light sparring with a friend and doesnt want to hurt him to much.

come on, if you in a multi million dollar fight and your opponent is natural much smaller and lighter than you, than you try to be physicle and rough him up, hooks to the body, uppercuts to the chin, you try to fu%&k him up. you dont throw 1 million jabs and high 5 all the time.
Exactly. That was probably smart thing to do in a first few rounds to surprise Canelo and not to gas too early, but he needed to become more aggressive later.
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RonnyJ wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:26
i think yarde is much bigger, stronger than canelo and would tko canelo. yarde was a more dangerous opponent than canelo.

yarde/kovalev was a close fight. kovalev won every round against canelo. maybe 2 for canelo.
So far I pretty much see it the opposite, but that's cool..
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boxing_rocks wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:27
RonnyJ wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:12

in the yarde fight, kovalev gave everything, he was aggressive at times, tried to hurt yarde, pushed the action and unleashed hooks etc.

in the canelo fight he was high 5 canelo all the time, he was nice, like he was having a light sparring with a friend and doesnt want to hurt him to much.

come on, if you in a multi million dollar fight and your opponent is natural much smaller and lighter than you, than you try to be physicle and rough him up, hooks to the body, uppercuts to the chin, you try to fu%&k him up. you dont throw 1 million jabs and high 5 all the time.
Exactly. That was probably smart thing to do in a first few rounds to surprise Canelo and not to gas too early, but he needed to become more aggressive later.
you know what is strange.

something came to my mind, i am vey irritated, this could be a shock, if it was true.

GGG and Kovalev were known as KO artists, they were known as aggressive show no mercy type of boxer.

both looked like sheeps. GGG in the first fight rarly punched, he did nothing, 12 rds long. such low punch output, totaly tentative. I mean if canelo had prime julian jackson kind of power i could understand that, but come one, GGG fought jacobs, lemieaux, he has been in the ring with opponents who punch harder than canelo. you dont do nothing for 12, when you are a known destroyer.

same goes for kovalev.

i realy would like to know if there was $$$$ involved to make things easier for canelo, i am just suspiciously.
why did GGG and Kovalev, why did tigers became sheeps over night, just makes no sense, unless $$$
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You know what makes things easier for Canelo? The fact he doesn't have to do shit to win a round. Also that he chose to fight these guys at a choice time. I also believe Kovalev was just happy to get paid that Mexican cheddar.
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RonnyJ wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:39
boxing_rocks wrote: 03 Nov 2019, 15:27
Exactly. That was probably smart thing to do in a first few rounds to surprise Canelo and not to gas too early, but he needed to become more aggressive later.
you know what is strange.

something came to my mind, i am vey irritated, this could be a shock, if it was true.

GGG and Kovalev were known as KO artists, they were known as aggressive show no mercy type of boxer.

both looked like sheeps. GGG in the first fight rarly punched, he did nothing, 12 rds long. such low punch output, totaly tentative. I mean if canelo had prime julian jackson kind of power i could understand that, but come one, GGG fought jacobs, lemieaux, he has been in the ring with opponents who punch harder than canelo. you dont do nothing for 12, when you are a known destroyer.

same goes for kovalev.

i realy would like to know if there was $$$$ involved to make things easier for canelo, i am just suspiciously.
why did GGG and Kovalev, why did tigers became sheeps over night, just makes no sense, unless $$$
I think GGG has injuries he is hiding. He stopped throwing meaningful right hands during Jacobs fight.

He definitely didn't look like a sheep in Canelo fights anyway. Canelo's face condition after those fights is a good proof of that.
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