Rules against weight advantage

[RonnyJ]

imagine you fight the 147 limit, you enter the ring at 150 and your opponent comes in with 165. it just isnt right. i have no problem with a bit weight advantage, but there should bea limit. skills should pay the bill and not yur advantage of weight coming into the ring 1 or 2 divisions above your limit, when your opponent comes in at similar weight to the weigh in.

what do you think?

[Onetimeonly]

There are disadvantages in extreme cutting too. Floyd and Manny ran welter and Floyd had 3 fights at 54 that could be the 3 best in division history.

[gilgamesh]

If it's a Welterweight fight, and you're coming in the next day at 150 while your opponent is coming in at 165 I'd rather be the guy coming in at 150 personally.

You're essentially trading one advantage for another.

The bigger guy may have the strength advantage due to the greater weight early, but the smaller guy given that from the looks of it he DIDN'T dehydrate and starve himself to make weight, will almost certainly have greater stamina throughout the fight, due to being lighter he'll have better speed in all likelihood.

To me the advantage gained in gaining a lot of weight overnight is far overblown, and IMO it's not much of an advantage at all. I would encourage fighters not to pursue this tactic as it always seems to me that the guys who do this have fairly short runs of success whereas the guys who are closer to their natural weight often continue to flourish for a longer period of time.

Work on your skills. Your in-ring tactics. Your timing. Your accuracy.

This is gonna win you more fights than a cheap size advantage.

[RonnyJ]

There are disadvantages in extreme cutting too. Floyd and Manny ran welter and Floyd had 3 fights at 54 that could be the 3 best in division history.

it is a huge advanatge when u come much bigger than your opponent into the ring.

what exactly do u mean, that manny and floyd were the best in welter history?

they both lucky they never had to face those big welter- and super welterweights. hearns, trinidad, robinson, wright, spence, margarito, williams, those were big 147 & 154 boxer, with weight, height advantage. if floyd had trouble with judah and maidana, guess what these kind of guyd had done with him at 147. if pac thought margarito was tough at 154, guess what trinidad or hearns had done to him at 154.

pac and may are amongs the best 10 best boxers ever, who at ww or sw they have no huge discussion in terms of quality. featherweight-lightweight were both were prime, their they looked top 10 p4p atg. when floyd beat corrales, when manny wrecked morales, hatton and was a legend destroyer, these are the reasons why they are in goat discussions.

[Onetimeonly]

Lol, never said history. Their time, and they both fought huge welters. Happy trolling!

[Cent0089]

Sorry, but a pro boxer who is 150lbs at fight night should fight in 140 lbs division IMO. 10 lbs rehydratation is acceptable for me. But 165 lbs welterweight is not

[kbackup408]

IBF does a good job with the 10lb rehydration limit but in all fairness everyone will rehydrate differently

[RonnyJ]

Lol, never said history. Their time, and they both fought huge welters. Happy trolling!

ok. than not history, than during there time. during their time mayweather took a 2 year vacation not to fight prime pw, prime margarito and prime pac. pac was the only one fighting everbody.

[RonnyJ]

IBF does a good job with the 10lb rehydration limit but in all fairness everyone will rehydrate differently

yes. but there should be limits. like what jacobs is doing, he looked like a light heavyweight when he fought GGG. canelo obviously had the power to make him stop.

[oogiebe]

These conversations always remind me of Gamache vs Gatti.

[gilgamesh]

There are disadvantages in extreme cutting too. Floyd and Manny ran welter and Floyd had 3 fights at 54 that could be the 3 best in division history.

it is a huge advanatge when u come much bigger than your opponent into the ring.

what exactly do u mean, that manny and floyd were the best in welter history?

they both lucky they never had to face those big welter- and super welterweights. hearns, trinidad, robinson, wright, spence, margarito, williams, those were big 147 & 154 boxer, with weight, height advantage. if floyd had trouble with judah and maidana, guess what these kind of guyd had done with him at 147. if pac thought margarito was tough at 154, guess what trinidad or hearns had done to him at 154.

pac and may are amongs the best 10 best boxers ever, who at ww or sw they have no huge discussion in terms of quality. featherweight-lightweight were both were prime, their they looked top 10 p4p atg. when floyd beat corrales, when manny wrecked morales, hatton and was a legend destroyer, these are the reasons why they are in goat discussions.

Why would Pac have thought Margarito was tough at 154? He beat him handily.

Pac by the way started his career at Jr. Flyweight so you even mentioning him in this conversation kinda proves MY point. That it's about skill. Not size.

[RonnyJ]

it is a huge advanatge when u come much bigger than your opponent into the ring.

what exactly do u mean, that manny and floyd were the best in welter history?

they both lucky they never had to face those big welter- and super welterweights. hearns, trinidad, robinson, wright, spence, margarito, williams, those were big 147 & 154 boxer, with weight, height advantage. if floyd had trouble with judah and maidana, guess what these kind of guyd had done with him at 147. if pac thought margarito was tough at 154, guess what trinidad or hearns had done to him at 154.

pac and may are amongs the best 10 best boxers ever, who at ww or sw they have no huge discussion in terms of quality. featherweight-lightweight were both were prime, their they looked top 10 p4p atg. when floyd beat corrales, when manny wrecked morales, hatton and was a legend destroyer, these are the reasons why they are in goat discussions.

Why would Pac have thought Margarito was tough at 154? He beat him handily.

Pac by the way started his career at Jr. Flyweight so you even mentioning him in this conversation kinda proves MY point. That it's about skill. Not size.

pac thought margarito was a tough fight, watch on youtube, he said it. yes, pac won, but it was no walk in the park. also pac said, no more 154 after marga.

skill is important, but as is weight, thats why a lot of top boxers dont move up in weight. most elite boxers win because of a combination of weight and skill advantage. spence was a big ww, GGG or jacobs are big mw, gvozdyk, kovalev are big lh, joshua a big hw, navarette a big sb, santa cruz a big fw, canelo etc.

weight is an advantage, thats why boxing has weight classes and rules should prevent fights like GGG jacobs or loma saldo, were one comes much bigger into the ring come fighnight, to much of an advantage, distortion.

[gilgamesh]

Again, let me clarify for ya. Pac started at 106 pounds. Yes fighting at 154 would be a big size gap obviously. He still won every round, and did permanent damage to his eye.

Regardless of his comments, it wasn't THAT hard of a fight. Due to his skill.

He had harder fights at Featherweight.

[oogiebe]

Again, let me clarify for ya. Pac started at 106 pounds. Yes fighting at 154 would be a big size gap obviously. He still won every round, and did permanent damage to his eye.

Regardless of his comments, it wasn't THAT hard of a fight. Due to his skill.

He had harder fights at Featherweight.

A fighter saying his opponent was a tough fight when he wasn't isn't anything new or uncommon. Happens all the time.

[margaret thatcher]

Fighters do that all the time, the old classic is saying the guy they shutout and KO'd was their toughest fight, not the guy who beat them or dropped them or gave them hell

[gilgamesh]

Again, let me clarify for ya. Pac started at 106 pounds. Yes fighting at 154 would be a big size gap obviously. He still won every round, and did permanent damage to his eye.

Regardless of his comments, it wasn't THAT hard of a fight. Due to his skill.

He had harder fights at Featherweight.

A fighter saying his opponent was a tough fight when he wasn't isn't anything new or uncommon. Happens all the time.

I always find it weird that a lot of fighters try to act like one sided victories are harder than fights where they noticeably struggled in. Like they try to downplay their struggles or something.

For instance Floyd Mayweather NEVER said Jose Luis Castillo was one of his hardest fights. When asked he'd always say Emanuel Augustus...with all due respect to Augustus. Augustus was stopped by Floyd, JLC was robbed of a victory against Floyd.

So he was obviously full of sh*t on that.

That's just one of many such examples.

[oogiebe]

A fighter saying his opponent was a tough fight when he wasn't isn't anything new or uncommon. Happens all the time.

I always find it weird that a lot of fighters try to act like one sided victories are harder than fights where they noticeably struggled in. Like they try to downplay their struggles or something.

For instance Floyd Mayweather NEVER said Jose Luis Castillo was one of his hardest fights. When asked he'd always say Emanuel Augustus...with all due respect to Augustus. Augustus was stopped by Floyd, JLC was robbed of a victory against Floyd.

So he was obviously full of sh*t on that.

That's just one of many such examples.

I remember after Ali/Frazier III, Ali said Frazier was the greatest of all time. (and of course by beating him Ali was the greatest). Fighters overplay and underplay their efforts to suit their narratives I guess. In that case, it was a fight to the death, but you know what I mean.

[RonnyJ]

A fighter saying his opponent was a tough fight when he wasn't isn't anything new or uncommon. Happens all the time.

I always find it weird that a lot of fighters try to act like one sided victories are harder than fights where they noticeably struggled in. Like they try to downplay their struggles or something.

For instance Floyd Mayweather NEVER said Jose Luis Castillo was one of his hardest fights. When asked he'd always say Emanuel Augustus...with all due respect to Augustus. Augustus was stopped by Floyd, JLC was robbed of a victory against Floyd.

So he was obviously full of sh*t on that.

That's just one of many such examples.

yeah. manny said on youtube that margarito punched very hard and the fight was tough and margarito very strong. i remember why manny said that. a interviewer asked manny how thurmans power was and manny compared thurmans to margaritos power.

floyd is driven by his ego and has problems with everything that attacks his ego. thats why he would never say castillo was a tough fight when truth was it was a tough fight, since castillo landed some clear strong punches in floyds face.
also i remember in a mexican boxing tv show, the interviewer asked him for his p4p atg top 5 and he didnt even have robinson in it, why, because boxers like robinson, leonard are attacking his ego, because they were more talented than him and except defence were better than him in every departmant if its punching power stamina speed etc.

[RonnyJ]

I always find it weird that a lot of fighters try to act like one sided victories are harder than fights where they noticeably struggled in. Like they try to downplay their struggles or something.

For instance Floyd Mayweather NEVER said Jose Luis Castillo was one of his hardest fights. When asked he'd always say Emanuel Augustus...with all due respect to Augustus. Augustus was stopped by Floyd, JLC was robbed of a victory against Floyd.

So he was obviously full of sh*t on that.

That's just one of many such examples.

I remember after Ali/Frazier III, Ali said Frazier was the greatest of all time. (and of course by beating him Ali was the greatest). Fighters overplay and underplay their efforts to suit their narratives I guess. In that case, it was a fight to the death, but you know what I mean.

exactly. the own story, ego and other reasons come into play why a boxer says something.

[gilgamesh]

I always find it weird that a lot of fighters try to act like one sided victories are harder than fights where they noticeably struggled in. Like they try to downplay their struggles or something.

For instance Floyd Mayweather NEVER said Jose Luis Castillo was one of his hardest fights. When asked he'd always say Emanuel Augustus...with all due respect to Augustus. Augustus was stopped by Floyd, JLC was robbed of a victory against Floyd.

So he was obviously full of sh*t on that.

That's just one of many such examples.

I remember after Ali/Frazier III, Ali said Frazier was the greatest of all time. (and of course by beating him Ali was the greatest). Fighters overplay and underplay their efforts to suit their narratives I guess. In that case, it was a fight to the death, but you know what I mean.

Ali's comment at that moment was sincere though. He was badly out of breath, and exhausted to the point of near death. He truly felt like he'd never been pushed that hard, and probably wondered if any other man would've been capable of pushing him that hard.

But I think he meant what he said right then.

[Onetimeonly]

Lol, never said history. Their time, and they both fought huge welters. Happy trolling!

ok. than not history, than during there time. during their time mayweather took a 2 year vacation not to fight prime pw, prime margarito and prime pac. pac was the only one fighting everbody.