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chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 12:35
elmersalsa wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 12:09

:TU: He could have been the 5th king if he would have fought the Fab 4 of boxing.
I'm not sure he could pin a loss on any of them. Maybe an unmotivated Duran around that time but not the others.
Well, we might underestimate this guy's talent. I think that he at least beats Hearns, Duran and Leonard in my view. It's because the 154lbs division was his. Hearns would have given him the most problems because of his height and reach, but he would be probably
too strong for Leonard and Duran.

Marvelous might be a toss up. Two complete fighters at it at 160lbs for 15 rounds. For the Middleweight Championship of the World!
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Onetimeonly wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 13:02
chrisjs1985 wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 12:35
I'm not sure he could pin a loss on any of them. Maybe an unmotivated Duran around that time but not the others.
He would have lost to benitez too.
Benitez is a nightmare opponent for him. Arguably the hardest one of the lot for him.
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I saw Mike McCallum vs Julian "The Hawk" Jackson fight. It was a beauty. Jackson was 29-0 with 27KOs. He was in his prime and had the reputation of a knockout artist by then. He was able to rock The Body Snatcher with a left hook and then with another straight right to the chin, but, McCallum's composure and shape made him stayed up.

Then, McCallum got in control in the second round with some terrific body shots and hooks. He dropped The Hawk with a left hook and that was it. McCallum went on for the kill, giving Jackson an arsenal of quick combinations and punches: lefts, rights, uppercuts, left hooks, the whole arsenal. The referee had to stop the fight. But, was it well stopped? Maybe, yes. Maybe, no. At least Jackson thought that he could have continued.

It was one of The Body Snatcher's greatest wins. He displayed his class against a monster puncher, probably the greatest puncher that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
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McCallum has been called underrated so many times, it is now to the point where he is actually overrated. He was not in the class of Hagler, Hearns, Duran, or Leonard. Or Benitez for that matter.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 10 Nov 2019, 16:17 McCallum has been called underrated so many times, it is now to the point where he is actually overrated. He was not in the class of Hagler, Hearns, Duran, or Leonard. Or Benitez for that matter.
He might not be in those guys' class in accomplishments, but in boxing ability I think he was at the same level. The Body Snatcher was a hell of a fighter. He just didn't have the luck to fight none of them. But the man was superbly skilled. I think he beats Duran, Benitez, Leonard and Hearns. It would be a toss up with Marvelous.
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elmersalsa wrote: 06 Nov 2019, 22:16
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I just saw Mike McCallum vs Sean Mannion. It was the Jamaican McCallum first title match and he took advantage of the opportunity by winning a lopsided 15 round unanimous decision. He, controlled the fight beautifully with the jab. He was in complete control, bit his time, and totally outclassed the game Irish Mannion.

I also saw how McCallum dispatched former champion Ayub Kalule in 7 rounds. Was Kalule already over the hill at 28? I don't know. But from what I have seen of McCallum, he is a fighter that displayed a lot of class and skill. A true COMPLETE fighter in my view.
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Mike McCallum did what the greats Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns couldn't do. He stop rock hard-chinned Luigi Minchillo in 13 rounds. This guy McCallum is in that level of the Fab 4 of boxing. He had the tools. A COMPLETE fighter, indeed. :TU:
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elmersalsa wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 03:14
Ambling Alp II wrote: 10 Nov 2019, 16:17 McCallum has been called underrated so many times, it is now to the point where he is actually overrated. He was not in the class of Hagler, Hearns, Duran, or Leonard. Or Benitez for that matter.
He might not be in those guys' class in accomplishments, but in boxing ability I think he was at the same level. The Body Snatcher was a hell of a fighter. He just didn't have the luck to fight none of them. But the man was superbly skilled. I think he beats Duran, Benitez, Leonard and Hearns. It would be a toss up with Marvelous.
He was closer to the Herol Graham/ Sumbu Kalambay level.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 11:56
elmersalsa wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 03:14

He might not be in those guys' class in accomplishments, but in boxing ability I think he was at the same level. The Body Snatcher was a hell of a fighter. He just didn't have the luck to fight none of them. But the man was superbly skilled. I think he beats Duran, Benitez, Leonard and Hearns. It would be a toss up with Marvelous.
He was closer to the Herol Graham/ Sumbu Kalambay level.
No, he wasn't.
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elmersalsa wrote: 13 Nov 2019, 21:40 Mike McCallum did what the greats Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns couldn't do. He stop rock hard-chinned Luigi Minchillo in 13 rounds. This guy McCallum is in that level of the Fab 4 of boxing. He had the tools. A COMPLETE fighter, indeed. :TU:
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Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 13:47
elmersalsa wrote: 13 Nov 2019, 21:40 Mike McCallum did what the greats Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns couldn't do. He stop rock hard-chinned Luigi Minchillo in 13 rounds. This guy McCallum is in that level of the Fab 4 of boxing. He had the tools. A COMPLETE fighter, indeed. :TU:
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You're tripping, man! The man was that good.
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elmersalsa wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 13:55
Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 13:47

:lol:
You're tripping, man! The man was that good.
He stopped him on cuts Elmo.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 13:59
elmersalsa wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 13:55

You're tripping, man! The man was that good.
He stopped him on cuts Elmo.
At least we can say that Mike McCallum dominated Luigi Minchillo much better than Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns. Duran didn't look that impressive. It was his second fight at 154lbs, plus that weight class never favored him as when he was at welterweight.
Tommy dominated Minchillo with the jab and never cut him nor put him in trouble. He hit Minchillo with all the power he could, and Minchillo was still standing.

That Body Snatcher was special and very underrated. It's a shame we never got to see him fight the Fab 4 of boxing. He was high-risk, low-reward kind of fighter.
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:lol:
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What comes first? The apocalypse or the end of this list? :maybe:
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oogiebe wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 18:03 What comes first? The apocalypse or the end of this list? :maybe:
Let's keep learning about the best fighters in history. That's what this thread is all about. One hundred of the best pound per pound fighters ever.

What's your take on the great Mike McCallum?
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Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 18:01:lol:
Come on, man!
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Come on what? Extra status for a cut? Blah, blah, blah
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Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 23:02 Come on what? Extra status for a cut? Blah, blah, blah
The guy dominated Minchillo much better than Hearns and Duran. He was able to stop him. The other two didn't do it.
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elmersalsa wrote: 15 Nov 2019, 08:15
Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 23:02 Come on what? Extra status for a cut? Blah, blah, blah
The guy dominated Minchillo much better than Hearns and Duran. He was able to stop him. The other two didn't do it.
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McCallum beat Duran at 154 as well. Against Hearns 50/50
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Duran vs Minchillo was close fight.

Hearns vs Minchillo was onesided.Minchillo won 1 or 2 rounds.
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elmersalsa wrote: 15 Nov 2019, 08:15
Onetimeonly wrote: 14 Nov 2019, 23:02 Come on what? Extra status for a cut? Blah, blah, blah
The guy dominated Minchillo much better than Hearns and Duran. He was able to stop him. The other two didn't do it.
McCallum vs Minchillo was a 15 rounds fight.Bodysnatcher stop him in 13.

Hearns vs Minchillo was a 12 rounds fight.If this bout was a 15 rounds who knows maybe Hearns also stopped Italian.
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McCallum was dead even with Kalambay and barely beat Nigel Benn. He is not the underrated fighter that he is now made out to be.
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