Did a search and couldn't find this one yet on here (though perhaps it was).
Who wins this one? Tyson has a power edge and a speed edge (IMO). Frazier has the better stamina and ability to cope with adversity -
Inside of 5 rounds I pick Tyson....Past 5 rounds Frazier by TKO or UD.
Mike Tyson Vs Joe Frazier -
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The Great John L
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silkov wrote:To be honest I think Frazier would scare Tyson to death... Tyson wouldnt be able to force Frazier back... Joe would be too strong for Tyson, he'd out work him on the inside (Tyson was a pretty poor inside fighter despite his lack of size) and break him up for a ko in about 6 to 8 rounds....
Good take - That I really didn't think into that much - The whole intimidation factor here might play on Tyson as well (much like going into his rematch with Holyfield) - With Tyson so used to it being the other way around -
Joe likely wouldn't be intimidated by Tyson....and Tyson would likely recognize this as well.....That in itself could play a role on Tyson mental state once the fight got rough -
Absolutely, mental strength is more important really than physical talent... Tyson and Frazier are close in physical talent but in terms of their psychological makeup Frazier is in a different league.... he didnt have a bully mentality and actually relished being in a hard fight while Tyson would always start to panick when opponents stood up to him...meade95 wrote:silkov wrote:To be honest I think Frazier would scare Tyson to death... Tyson wouldnt be able to force Frazier back... Joe would be too strong for Tyson, he'd out work him on the inside (Tyson was a pretty poor inside fighter despite his lack of size) and break him up for a ko in about 6 to 8 rounds....
Good take - That I really didn't think into that much - The whole intimidation factor here might play on Tyson as well (much like going into his rematch with Holyfield) - With Tyson so used to it being the other way around -
Joe likely wouldn't be intimidated by Tyson....and Tyson would likely recognize this as well.....That in itself could play a role on Tyson mental state once the fight got rough -
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dr_devious
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>>>If Holyfield knocked Tyson out Frazier would kill him<<<
One thing you have to remember though...when Holyfield stopped Tyson...Tyson was around eight years past his prime! The same thing might have happened if they both were in they're prime, but the thing is...it didn't!
One thing you have to remember though...when Holyfield stopped Tyson...Tyson was around eight years past his prime! The same thing might have happened if they both were in they're prime, but the thing is...it didn't!
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Yeah but at the same time Holifield himself was past his best, he was more ringworn etc... Tysons form going into the Holifield fight seemed to be close to his best, people feared for Evanders health.... people forget this now and concentrate on Tyson being past it... had they met in '88-90 the result would have been pretty much the same imo, Evander had the chin to take Tysons shots and the skills to outbox and outslug him... and more importantly the mentality to beat Tyson... Tyson knew that Holifield wasn't scared of him and this went a long way to beating him....barry wrote:>>>If Holyfield knocked Tyson out Frazier would kill him<<<
One thing you have to remember though...when Holyfield stopped Tyson...Tyson was around eight years past his prime! The same thing might have happened if they both were in they're prime, but the thing is...it didn't!
Spot on...silkov wrote:Absolutely, mental strength is more important really than physical talent... Tyson and Frazier are close in physical talent but in terms of their psychological makeup Frazier is in a different league.... he didnt have a bully mentality and actually relished being in a hard fight while Tyson would always start to panick when opponents stood up to him...meade95 wrote:silkov wrote:To be honest I think Frazier would scare Tyson to death... Tyson wouldnt be able to force Frazier back... Joe would be too strong for Tyson, he'd out work him on the inside (Tyson was a pretty poor inside fighter despite his lack of size) and break him up for a ko in about 6 to 8 rounds....
Good take - That I really didn't think into that much - The whole intimidation factor here might play on Tyson as well (much like going into his rematch with Holyfield) - With Tyson so used to it being the other way around -
Joe likely wouldn't be intimidated by Tyson....and Tyson would likely recognize this as well.....That in itself could play a role on Tyson mental state once the fight got rough -
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dr_devious
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The Tyson of 96 wasnt as good as the Tyson of 88 but he wasnt shot. My comments about Frazier smokin Tyson standbarry wrote:>>>If Holyfield knocked Tyson out Frazier would kill him<<<
One thing you have to remember though...when Holyfield stopped Tyson...Tyson was around eight years past his prime! The same thing might have happened if they both were in they're prime, but the thing is...it didn't!
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Rocky Balboa
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I think that there is abig possibility of an early blow out for Mike. Would Tyson win a 4 round tournment featuring all of the greats?Rocky Balboa wrote:Tyson was probably the fastest starter in HW history, where-as Frazier was notoriously slo-starter. Tyson by KO, and early, maybe even round1 as crazy as it sounds!
Tyson would have been the worst possible match-up for Frazier, IMO!
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HomicideHenry
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Be very hard to say who would win this one.
Frazier had a thunderous left hook, could take punishment, never backed up, and had incredible stamina. Could knockout a man with a single blow, tremendous body puncher, could beat both brawlers and men of great skill. Had a "never say quit!" attitude and fierce determination.
Tyson had power in both his hands, at his best his bobbing and weaving skills were on par with Dempsey's, his ferocity was almost unmatched, had great hand speed---had a hard time coping with men of great skills and size though, plus he was prone to break down mentally, even in his earlier years he had to be really praised and encouraged to win a fight.
Myself I think Tyson prolly hit just as hard as Frazier, just his hand speed was so great that he looked more powerful. It would be an all out war from round one onwards---and prolly be a KO in about 8 rounds.
If Tyson didnt break down and lose his confidence he would be doing the kayo'ing---but I can see Frazier wearing down Mike and finally dropping him as well.
Frazier had a thunderous left hook, could take punishment, never backed up, and had incredible stamina. Could knockout a man with a single blow, tremendous body puncher, could beat both brawlers and men of great skill. Had a "never say quit!" attitude and fierce determination.
Tyson had power in both his hands, at his best his bobbing and weaving skills were on par with Dempsey's, his ferocity was almost unmatched, had great hand speed---had a hard time coping with men of great skills and size though, plus he was prone to break down mentally, even in his earlier years he had to be really praised and encouraged to win a fight.
Myself I think Tyson prolly hit just as hard as Frazier, just his hand speed was so great that he looked more powerful. It would be an all out war from round one onwards---and prolly be a KO in about 8 rounds.
If Tyson didnt break down and lose his confidence he would be doing the kayo'ing---but I can see Frazier wearing down Mike and finally dropping him as well.
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Dec---Honestly, If we ever met, we would probably get along just fine because I would imagine that it would be in a bar and we would be a couple of the very few people who were actually paying a lot of attention to the boxing on the bar tv.
I don't see Tyson koing Frazier early like Foreman because Tyson wasnt Foreman... he wouldnt be able to push Frazier back like Foreman did... if anything I see Joe pushing Tyson back. People should also remember that Foreman fought an underpar Fraizer both times... in their first fight Frazier hadnt had a decent fight in 2 years and in their second bout Fraizer was coming off Manila... so it could be argued that George never faced a prime Frazier... though I still think Foreman wins against even a peak Frazier... but not so easily...
Terence wrote:I've been dialouging with Eva Futch about her husband and she has thrown up some good points about Joe, when it is written up I will post the link if anyone is interested.
Not shameless self-publicity, just a chance to find out a bit more about Eddie for any fans of the man. It will be a bio/interview.
Looking forward to it...
I remember this part of Haglers career well, and yes he may very well have peaked around 78. He seemed at that point in his career as a tremendously tough boxer/puncher. I remember the Seales one round k.o . Hagler looked like a machine. I have the Cyclone Hart fight on video, Hagler boxed beautifuly in this fight and Hart was unable to draw him into a slugfest. Hart fought him a little dirty too. Marvin was unfazed. It was after the Antufermo fight that Marvin started with the destruct and destroy stuff. He started looking for the ko every fight. Of course when you press for the knockout you open yourself up to getting hit more. But in the late seventies and early eighties Marvin felt that the suits were against him so he needed to belt every opponent out of there.