Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz II - 23 November 2019

Who wins the rematch?

Poll ended at 23 Nov 2019, 16:37

Wilder - Decision
2
4%
Wilder - T/KO
35
76%
DRAW
2
4%
Ortiz - T/KO
5
11%
Ortiz - Decision
2
4%
 
Total votes: 46

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Undercard Information

Undefeated Cuban contender Leduan Barthelemy will square off against former title challenger Eduardo Ramirez in a 10-round super featherweight rematch that headlines FOX Sports PBC Pay-Per-View Prelims on FS2 and FOX Deportes Saturday, November 23 from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Barthelemy and Ramirez go toe-to-toe again after originally fighting to a split-draw in their 2017 duel.

Prelims begin at 7 p.m. ET/4 p.m. PT and will also feature 17-year-old sensation Vito Mielnicki Jr. in a four-round welterweight bout against North Carolina's Marklin Bailey and rising super lightweight prospect Omar "El Relámpago"Juarez battling Michigan's Kevin Shacks in a six-round attraction.

Tickets for the event, which is promoted by BombZquad Promotions, TGB Promotions and Mayweather Promotions, are on sale now and can be purchased at www.mgmgrand.com or www.axs.com.

Prelims precede the pay-per-view event headlined by boxing's longest reigning heavyweight world champion Deontay "The Bronze Bomber'' Wilder defending his WBC title in a rematch against once-beaten Cuban slugger Luis "King Kong'' Ortiz. Three-division champion Leo "El Terremoto" Santa Cruz will seek a title in another division in the co-main event when he takes on Miguel "El Michoacan" Flores for the WBA Super Featherweight Championship as part of pay-per-view action beginning at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT.

The younger brother of two-division champion Rances and Olympic gold medalist Yan, Barthelemy (15-0-1, 7 KOs) has won back-to-back unanimous decisions in 2019 since the split draw against Ramirez, most recently defeating Jose Cayetano in June. The 30-year-old from Guantanamo, Cuba now lives and trains in Las Vegas and won his first 13 fights after turning pro in 2011.

Ramirez (22-2-3, 9 KOs) followed up the draw against Barthelemy by challenging Lee Selby for the featherweight world title in a bout that he lost by decision in December 2017. The 26-year-old southpaw from Los Mochis, Sinaloa, Mexico bounced back from the loss with a stoppage victory over Carlos Jacobo in 2018 and a knockout of Bryan De Gracia in March 2019. He most recently lost a decision to former champion Claudio Marrero in June.

Fighting out of Roseland, New Jersey, Mielnicki (2-0, 2 KOs) burst onto the professional scene in July with a first-round knockout in his debut. The 17-year-old had an exceptional amateur career, compiling a 147-22 record and was named the Most Outstanding Boxer of the 2011 Junior National Golden Gloves amongst many accolades before turning pro. He most recently delivered another first-round knockout while earning his second pro win in September and will look for his third win against the 25-year-old Bailey (6-5, 4 KOs), who fights out of Durham, North Carolina.

The 20-year-old Juarez (5-0, 3 KO) was a highly decorated amateur who turned pro in September 2018 and has been on an active pace thus far. Representing his hometown of Brownsville, Texas, Juarez scored a first round stoppage of Gino De La Paz last time he entered the ring, in action on FS1 in front of his hometown fans in August. He will be opposed by the 28-year-old Shacks (3-4-3, 3 KOs) who fights out of Lansing, Michigan.
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The first fight was really good, the first good fight of Wilder's career imo.

Ortiz came within a whisker of dethroning Wilder that night, but he has missed the boat now imo.

Ortiz is that bit older now (he wasn't exactly young before) and Wilder would have (or at least should have) learned a fair few lessons from the first fight.

My prediction:

A tentative start from both men leads to Ortiz building a lead through the halfway stage, but he slows down in the second half and allows a patient Wilder to catch up with him and ends up getting brutally stopped late despite a brave losing effort.
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keirw wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 11:50 The first fight was really good, the first good fight of Wilder's career imo.

Ortiz came within a whisker of dethroning Wilder that night, but he has missed the boat now imo.

Ortiz is that bit older now (he wasn't exactly young before) and Wilder would have (or at least should have) learned a fair few lessons from the first fight.

My prediction:

A tentative start from both men leads to Ortiz building a lead through the halfway stage, but he slows down in the second half and allows a patient Wilder to catch up with him and ends up getting brutally stopped late despite a brave losing effort.
Agree with the first part but i think Wilder will KO him early this time. Inside 3 or 4.
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2/32 people look at this rematch and think.....

DRAW !? :maybe:

I love picking the draw - it's often a great shout with big odds, but seriously, who weighs THIS up and thinks, "draw" ?!
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Stuarty wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 11:55 [
Agree with the first part but i think Wilder will KO him early this time. Inside 3 or 4.
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skanksta wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 12:01 2/32 people look at this rematch and think.....

DRAW !? :maybe:

I love picking the draw - it's often a great shout with big odds, but seriously, who weighs THIS up and thinks, "draw" ?!
:doh: :witzend: :doh:
The draw option should have;
Draw (don't care)
I always vote draw if I couldn't care less who wins.
I would set up a poll like that for up coming fights, thing is, every time I find out about an upcoming fight, bloody Roofie has already done it!
:witzend:

I did have a dream the other night where Ortiz knocked out the bronze blatherer, then after the fight produced his birth certificate.
And said;
"Lookie here, I beat Foreman's record!"
:lol:
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KiwiRider wrote: 10 Nov 2019, 20:40 I did have a dream the other night where Ortiz knocked out the bronze blatherer, then after the fight produced his birth certificate.
And said;
"Lookie here, I beat Foreman's record!"
:lol:
:lol: :TU:
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Controversial wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 12:05
Stuarty wrote: 08 Nov 2019, 11:55 [
Agree with the first part but i think Wilder will KO him early this time. Inside 3 or 4.
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Fight Week :box:
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 18 Nov 2019, 05:59
Not the fight he clearly lost then?
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danconnollyeire wrote: 18 Nov 2019, 06:56
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 18 Nov 2019, 05:59
Not the fight he clearly lost then?
They have to justify $75 for a fight that no one asked for somehow. Playing it back late 2018 is one thing, but with a hiatus due to Fury and Breazeale, $75 is steep.
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I'm not usually big on rematches but don't mind this one, hopefully its as entertaining as the first fight ended up, I had Ortiz a few rounds up at that point, it was one of Wilder's worst showings but he showed the brute power he carries, while you culd never rule Ortiz out you do wonder if he couldn't get the job down last time before gassing then surely he's gonna struggle even more here

Oritz looks in good nick from what ive seen hopefully theres testing here, I'm not a big fan of either, Wilder's a hypocrite who talks utter shite and Ortiz is a drug cheat, I fancy Wilder to get the job done here in quicker and more convincing fashion
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 18 Nov 2019, 07:07 Image
Crazy if that's recent. He was a blob pretty recently.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Nov 2019, 05:22
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 18 Nov 2019, 07:07 Image
Crazy if that's recent. He was a blob pretty recently.
That photo was taken in 1973
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 19 Nov 2019, 16:15
Onetimeonly wrote: 19 Nov 2019, 05:22

Crazy if that's recent. He was a blob pretty recently.
That photo was taken in 1973
:lol:
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I have been too busy this week to watch any pre-fight stuff. Has Wilder said he wants a body on his record yet? Any tasteless threats to kill yet or do we have to wait for the final presser?
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