John Mugabi: 3 best wins?

[margaret thatcher]

He is noted most for a game but losing effort, but what about the Beast's wins?

Interested to see your thoughts

[Onetimeonly]

I dont think he goes 3 deep. Green was a good win, he was much better than his final record. That was an excellent fight. Past that a group of solid guys that were past it.

[oogiebe]

Not the best resume.

[cannonball]

KO 1 Curtis Parker. 1st time Parker was dropped in 28 fights

TKO 10 Hard Rock Green, great fight

KO 1 Earl Hargrove, 26-1 (25) at the time. Granted, EH's resume was pretty thin but it was a fun match between 2 legit pure punchers

and lets not forget Mugabi gave Hagler a hell of a fight and was unlucky v Thomas what with the eye injury......Maybe the beast wasnt elite level but he was a fun fighter and very dangerous for anybody in the top 10

[Woldemar]

Eddie Gazo
Earl Hargrove
Curtis Parker

Honorable mentions : Rene Jacquot,Gary Guiden,James Green,Frank Fletcher.

[Onetimeonly]

Eddie Gazo
Earl Hargrove
Curtis Parker

Honorable mentions : Rene Jacquot,Gary Guiden,James Green,Frank Fletcher.

Gazo? He was way past useful.

[Woldemar]

Eddie Gazo
Earl Hargrove
Curtis Parker

Honorable mentions : Rene Jacquot,Gary Guiden,James Green,Frank Fletcher.

Gazo? He was way past useful.

Gazo only one former World champion in winning list Mugabi .

[Onetimeonly]

Gazo? He was way past useful.

Gazo only one former World champion in winning list Mugabi .

His resume is soft. Green is definitely his best win. When they fight matters. That's like listing Ali for Holmes.

[Woldemar]

Gazo only one former World champion in winning list Mugabi .

His resume is soft. Green is definitely his best win. When they fight matters. That's like listing Ali for Holmes.

Mugabi beat Fletcher who beat Green).

[Onetimeonly]

His resume is soft. Green is definitely his best win. When they fight matters. That's like listing Ali for Holmes.

Mugabi beat Fletcher who beat Green).

[AntonioMartin]

Eddie Gazo, Rene Jacquot and Curtis Parker IMO

[Onetimeonly]

Well, telling that anybody would answer gazo for how weak his resume is. Eddie would have no chance against someone like Brian rose 8n that form.

[AntonioMartin]

Well, telling that anybody would answer gazo for how weak his resume is. Eddie would have no chance against someone like Brian rose 8n that form.

Yet he was a world champion....

[Onetimeonly]

Well, telling that anybody would answer gazo for how weak his resume is. Eddie would have no chance against someone like Brian rose 8n that form.

Yet he was a world champion....

[oogiebe]

Yet he was a world champion....

John Ruiz was also a world champion. I'm sure we can name several more weak champs.

[Onetimeonly]

John Ruiz was also a world champion. I'm sure we can name several more weak champs.

Gazo was decent, 5 years before he fought mugabi. He was an early hearns victim.

[Stuarty]

I prefer his brother Rab 'the black Hitler' Mugabe

https://images.app.goo.gl/gUpEWfDVXJ3dyBY16

[AntonioMartin]

John Ruiz was also a world champion. I'm sure we can name several more weak champs.

True true..but they reached that epitome...

[AntonioMartin]

I prefer his brother Rab 'the black Hitler' Mugabe

https://images.app.goo.gl/gUpEWfDVXJ3dyBY16

Oh my God I couldnt said it better!

[AntonioMartin]

Yet he was a world champion....

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

There is three different ways to rate the victories and every method gives a different Top3.

One is to rate Top3 based just on the quality of the opposition. I see that list as :

1) Curtis Parker
2) Frank "Animal" Fletcher (Parker edges Fletcher by his longevity in a comparison between legitimate middleweight contenders)
3) Eddie Gazo (who barely edges Rene Jacquot for having more successful world title bouts. "Hard Rock" Green, Earl Hargrove etc. are further down the list. Those who claim that Gazo's resume is very weak forget that Koichi Wajima & Miguel Angel Castellini were quality victories and that most of his Central American opponents were much more experienced and better than BoxRec would let you understand. Blame the lack of record-keeping there!)


Or you can rate them based on Top3 on "a date of a weigh-in" ie. what was the value of the Fight/Opponent at the moment of meeting Mugabi :

1) Rene Jacquot (had just beaten Donald Curry and that was preceded by a solid run of Euro-level successes)
2) Curtis Parker (remains high up as he had fresh wins over Tony Braxton & Keith Bristol and would remain relevant for two more years after losing to Mugabi. Just like Fletcher was pretty much 1A on 1st category so is Curtis here)
3) Whadda letdown after top two. ALL the rest of Mugabi opponents were either a) coming off the bad stretch, b) never all that good to start with... I'll go with Gary Guiden who had won 11 of his previous 12, only lost a world title fight to Davey Moore and had at least one very credible victory in a stoppage of Sean Mannion.


And then the 3rd way to rate the victories is by also considering what happened IN THAT SPECIFIC FIGHT! Then :

1) James "Hard Rock" Green. It was a dramatic, exciting and widely seen fight which did good for Mugabi's reputation and basically made the ENTIRE career and legacy of "Hard Rock": (yeah, I know he also beat Scypion & Singletary but he surely is not remembered for those performances).
2) Curtis Parker. Dramatic destruction of usually sturdy contender.
3) Earl Hargrove. Breeze over an "on-paper" equally destructive KO specialist.

Here, the freak nature of Jacquot-win and the utter ineptness of "Animal" Fletcher & Eddie Gazo in the ring on the day drops their points.


Overall, Curtis Parker -fight is head&shoulders above everything else as it is the only victory of The Beast deserving a mention no matter which criteria you set.

[Onetimeonly]

You're on boxrec, if you weren't around then or arent familiar with gazo just look at his record. No doubt he was shot and used up when John fought him. Green would have destroyed him.

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

That's why Gazo only appears in 1st version of my lists.

TOTAL legacy of his career (Rene Jacquot's as well) is better than "Hard Rock" Green's.

I completely agree about it if we speak about the version which met Mugabi. That version of Gazo was not much to speak about anymore... Maybe, maybe just about in Top 10 of all Mugabi-victims, but behind Green, Gary Guiden, "Vampire" Johnson and even Kenny Snow (when form of the day is considered).

However it have to be noted that Green didn't come off a particularly impressive patch of a career either... He re-built his name VERSUS MUGABI.

[Onetimeonly]

Rating a career wouldn't have a place in this discussion for anyone but mugabi. Obviously his 3 best wins need context.

[Petu v.d. Pajm]

You are wrong and you are unable to comprehend the different legit arguments.

There is AT LEAST 3 different ways to rate "3 Best Wins" of anyone's career.

One is to just rate the "greatness" of opponents beaten (and yes - in such a list Muhammad Ali is amongst Holmes' Top 3). I wouldn't do it so but I see the point.

One is to rate the opponents on the status and preceding form of a day they stepped into the ring. IMO, this is the most legitimate way.

3rd way (which you seem to be closest to) is to rather rate 3 best fights which ended up as victories. That is not IMO a best perspective, but it has some merit too... This 3rd alternative viewpoint would obviously rate Green high (highest?), but only this one. Other criteria has him around 5th spot amongst Mugabi-victories.