The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time

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elmersalsa wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 20:41
Onetimeonly wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 16:21

The rams won't be playing when championships are being decided this year. The ravens will
We will see!
No we won't. Rams are done.
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elmersalsa wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 20:41
Onetimeonly wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 16:21

The rams won't be playing when championships are being decided this year. The ravens will
We will see!
Rams are hanging on by a thread. No playoffs. After the emasculating drubbing last night might be a free fall. Either way, the ravens are clearly better.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 21:48
elmersalsa wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 20:41

We will see!
Rams are hanging on by a thread. No playoffs. After the emasculating drubbing last night might be a free fall. Either way, the ravens are clearly better.
We shall see. We got 5 more games left. Anything can happen.
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elmersalsa wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 09:02
Onetimeonly wrote: 26 Nov 2019, 21:48
Rams are hanging on by a thread. No playoffs. After the emasculating drubbing last night might be a free fall. Either way, the ravens are clearly better.
We shall see. We got 5 more games left. Anything can happen.
:lol:
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Mike McCallum vs Sumbu Kalambay II

The fight was better than the original because both men were at their very best and there was much more action. McCallum dominated the first 5 or 6 rounds, and then Kalambay started to work on The Body Snatcher with great combinations and steady movement. This Kalambay was also a terrific technician that people didn't give him enough credit. This was one of boxing's most technical fights that I have ever seen. A very good fight. A fading McCallum by rounds 10 to 12 was still throwing some good shots, especially starting with the jab. He looked more energetic in this fight than the original. Was it because in the first fight he wasn't used to the 160 limit yet? Or was it that Kalambay was just that good? Either way, you gotta be at your very best to beat Sumbu.

I had the fight 117-114 in favor of McCallum. McCallum won by split decision by the judges.
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Speaking of the Ravens, do people think Ray Lewis killed those two guys? I've heard some argue it was his friends and that Ray Lewis didn't participate.
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If you want to see a fight with just sheer technique, then watch Mike McCallum vs James Toney I. What a technical-gifted fight!

It was a fight between 2 masters of the boxing science. It reminded me the fight of Sugar Ray Leonard vs Wilfred Benitez at Welterweight.

Another technical fight is Sumbu Kalambay vs Mike McCallum II. The middleweights of the late 80s and early 90s decade were loaded with top talent. It was a very underrated era at the Middleweight division. We had guys like McCallum, Toney, Kalambay, Michael Nunn, Julian "The Hawk" Jackson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Roy Jones, Jr, Michael Olajide, Thomas Tate, Iran Barkley, Thomas Hearns, Herol Graham, Gerald McClellan and Steve Collins.

Back to the McCallum vs Toney I fight, I had it scored 117-114 in favor of Toney. He gave the best shots down the stretch and it seemed that McCallum was fading. But, The Body Snatcher experience and class prevented him from going down. Let's not forget his chin. McCallum had one of the game's best chins ever. He could really take a big shot. The fight was declared a draw by the judges. It was a razor-thinned fight.
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At 35 years of age, Mike McCallum gave a good account of himself against a young and very subtle champion in James Toney. He faded in my view down the stretch, but he got lucky for the judges who saw it a draw.

Was age creeping up on him? Even at 35, he looked terrific, win, lose or draw.
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James Toney vs Mike McCallum fight #2.

This is the fight that the Body Snatcher really showed his age. At 35, he looked sluggish and his punches lacked steam. His experience and will got him still hanging with the young Toney. Toney's punches were much more effective. Although a technical fight. It looked much more to me as a sparring session.

Toney clearly win this fight. I had it 118-114 in favor of Toney.
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At 35 years of age, the great Mike McCallum thinks that he still got it. He's not ready to hang up the gloves yet. He jumps to light-heavyweight in 1993.
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Can't wait to see how he did there.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 04 Dec 2019, 11:40 Can't wait to see how he did there.
He did great. That win at light-heavyweight puts him with the all-time greatest fighters.
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Mike McCallum vs Jeff Harding

A good scrapping affair in the outskirts of Bismarck, ND of all places. The Body Snatcher wins his third world championship at the age of 38 years old. He outboxed Harding with jabs and uppercuts. Harding was tough, but not fast enough for the experienced great. McCallum won this fight because he used his experience, skills and great conditioning. He looked very sharp. Especially when he threw the jab and the right cross. He looked terrific.

Harding took all the shots that McCallum threw at him. He was bigger and stronger and younger than the Jamaican. His style reminded me of the great Julio Cesar Chavez when pressuring an opponent, but he lacked other Chavez' skills and attributes. Another fighter would have gone down for all the shots that the Body Snatcher threw at him. Or was it that McCallum above 154lbs, didn't had that punching power anymore?

Still, it was a great win for the Jamaican Body Snatcher Mike McCallum. He became an all-time great boxer pound per pound with this win. It solidified him. It was his last hurrah.
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Jeff Harding, an Australian that won the WBC World Light-heavyweight Championship twice, had a three-fight series with former champion Dennis Andries from Guyana/England.
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Mike McCallum travels to Lyon, France to fight local Fabrice Tiozzo. McCallum, the Jamaican Body Snatcher didn't bring nothing to the fight, only himself and the WBC World Light-heavyweight Crown.

McCallum showed his age this time. He was 38 going for 39 in 6 months. He looked flat. Wasted. And totally outclassed. Maybe he would have gotten stopped if the fight was 15 rounds instead of 12. He looked at the end tired and beat against the 26 year old Frenchman.
At one time in round 11th, he forgot his mouthpiece. I have been noticing in a lot of his fights, that the Body Snatcher sometimes forgets his mouthpiece. My question is why? So that he could breathe better? Or just his corner or him simply forgot.

Tiozzo was always first. With quick jabs and fast right crosses, he overwhelmed the great champion McCallum. He was bigger, taller and younger Lion. He came with black shorts and no sweat robe, a la the great Iron Mike Tyson. He even dropped the Jamaican with a perfect left hook in round #2. In round #7, the referee Joe Cortez of Puerto Rico stopped the fight to replace a "broken glove" in Tiozzo's right hand?

Interestingly, Tiozzo's wife was in the audience watching the fight. She's a light-skinned black chic. She's probably French. A very beautiful woman he had as a wife that night.

The thing is, that Tiozzo won clearly. The British judge John Keane and the Mexican judge Victor Manuel Cervantes voted 116-112. The other Japanese judge, Tamotsu Tomihara scored it 115-112. All in favor of Tiozzo. I had Tiozzo winning at with a much greater point margin: 118-112.
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elmersalsa wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 10:53 Jeff Harding, an Australian that won the WBC World Light-heavyweight Championship twice, had a three-fight series with former champion Dennis Andries from Guyana/England.
Tiozzo one of the my favorite light heavyweights.He had a good speed,skills and punching power.He lose two times Virgil Hill ,one time by SD,second by TKO 1

This fight against McCallum was the best perfomance in career Franchmen.

Also he looked good against Dariusz Michalczewski.
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Woldemar wrote: 15 Dec 2019, 10:24
elmersalsa wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 10:53 Jeff Harding, an Australian that won the WBC World Light-heavyweight Championship twice, had a three-fight series with former champion Dennis Andries from Guyana/England.
Tiozzo one of the my favorite light heavyweights.He had a good speed,skills and punching power.He lose two times Virgil Hill ,one time by SD,second by TKO 1

This fight against McCallum was the best perfomance in career Franchmen.

Also he looked good against Dariusz Michalczewski.
Yep, Woldemar! That's right.
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Mike McCallum vs Roy Jones, Jr.

This fight brought more yawns than opening eyebrows. It was a boring fight by all means. No excitement. No drama. No nothing.

One guy brought something to the table (Jones, Jr), while the other one, (McCallum), well, he only brought himself and showed up for a payday. That's it. It wasn't even a sparring session. I would have enjoyed it if they were sparring in a gym for free. What a waste of time. One of the most boring fights that I've ever seen.

Jones, Jr dominated from start to finish. The judges scored a shutout. I didn't see a shutout, but I ain't going to disagree the judges score cards.

McCallum was slow, sluggish and no footwork. A once great technician in his prime, was totally outclassed here. Well, he's fighting 20 pounds his best weight class. He was a month shy of his 40th birthday. His best days were way behind him.

Sometimes the Jamaican Body Snatcher was setting Jones, Jr up to the ropes, but couldn't get off while punching to the body. Jones, Jr in my opinion, carried him. He didn't want to embarrass the legend for more than what it was. A shutout was enough. Super Roy was too fast and elusive. He had extraordinary reflexes. He was moving from side to side like a hare. He was scoring with quick left hooks from the back foot and fast right crosses. McCallum could not anticipate the blows. They were too quick for his aging self. He was fighting a fighting machine, in his prime at 27. And the scary part of Jones was that it didn't matter where he carried his weight class, the speed and punching power were still intact. That night Jones became a triple crown titlist. It was his third world crown in 3 different weight class. In round 10, he dropped the Jamaican with a right cross. McCallum never saw it coming. It was so fast. Father Time was calling him. For real, it was time to step out.

I had Jones winning 118-112. For sympathy, I gave McCallum some rounds.
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Jones had certainly lost some of of his punching power by the time he was at this weight class.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 11:36 Jones had certainly lost some of of his punching power by the time he was at this weight class.
No he didn't. He was still knocking people out at 175lbs. His speed and power never regressed.
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The great Mike McCallum simply had a chin of god
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margaret thatcher wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 15:10 The great Mike McCallum simply had a chin of god
He could take a shot. That's why I say that he would have beaten at least 3 of the Fab 4 of boxing.
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His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
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elmersalsa wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 13:30
Ambling Alp II wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 11:36 Jones had certainly lost some of of his punching power by the time he was at this weight class.
No he didn't. He was still knocking people out at 175lbs. His speed and power never regressed.
Umm, no.
He was hitting guys almost at will and was not putting them away. DeValle, Johnson, Telesco, Gonzalez all went the distance. Grant, Hall, and Harmon lasted until the late rounds. This wasn't exactly sterling opposition.
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