Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - February 29, 2020

Who wins?

Poll ended at 26 Mar 2020, 12:21

Garcia - Decision
18
55%
Garcia - T/KO
3
9%
DRAW
1
3%
Vargas - T/KO
3
9%
Vargas - Decision
8
24%
 
Total votes: 33

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Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - February 29, 2020

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Mikey Garcia (39-1, 30 KOs) could be facing former 2 division world champion Jessie Vargas (29-2-2, 11 KOs) in a welterweight contest on DAZN in the first quarter of 2020. According to Mike Coppinger,

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Matchroom Boxing promoter Eddie Hearn is interested in putting that fight together. Hearn wants to sign the former four division world champion Garcia to a multi-fight deal. The first bout of the deal would be for Garcia to take on Vargas at 147.

The positives for Mikey signing with Hearn and DAZN are the following:

– Good money each fight

– Stays active

– Access to excellent opposition

The downside of Mikey signing with Hearn, he’ll likely lose to Jessie Vargas BADLY, and then be faced with tough career choices. Either stay at 147 and continue to lose or move down to 140 or 135. Mikey won’t have it any easier at light welterweight against guys like Regis Prograis and Josh Taylor. Those are guys with bigger frames than Mikey, and both could easily fight at welterweight.

Mikey can’t compete against welterweights, and he would lose to Taylor and Prograis. Even in Mikey’s fight against Sergey Lipinets last year, he got beat up in winning a fight that appeared to be very close. The scores showed that Mikey easily won, but he didn’t. He was getting pounded by Lipinets. If a limited guy like Lipinets could do that to Mikey, just imagine what Prograis and Taylor would do to him. You get the picture.

If Mikey moves back down to 135, it’s debatable whether he could beat the young lions Devin Haney and Gervonta Davis. Those are young guys with a ton of skills. Mikey isn’t young, and he’s hurt his career by being inactive for such long spells. It’s safe to say that Mikey would lose to Davis and Haney. He’d have a puncher’s chance, but he’d still likely lose to both.

Mikey is arguably semi-retired at this point. He’s just waiting for big money fights, but not staying active and with little chance of winning the fights that are given him. Mikey is NOT going to beat the likes of Pacquiao, Danny Garcia or any of the top welterweights. That’s obvious. The sad part is, Mikey would have just as many problems at 140. The only weight classes Mikey has any chances of doing well at are 130 and 135, and even in those weight classes, he’s probably too ring rusty and old to excel like he used to.

It’s a deal that could blow up in Hearn’s face if Mikey loses to Vargas. If Mikey takes this fight against Vargas, there’s a good chance he’ll lose in the same way he did against IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. last March. Mikey didn’t have the size to get to Spence without getting picked apart on the way in. The fight wasn’t remotely competitive. Vargas is beatable, as we’ve seen in his losses to Pacquiao and Tim Bradley, but his size would be a real problem for a small guy like Garcia.
Sources: A welterweight fight between Mikey Garcia and Jessie Vargas that would be streamed by DAZN has been discussed for the first quarter of 2019. Eddie Hearn has been pursuing Mikey for awhile now, and if he can sign him to a multi-fight deal, Vargas could be the first bout

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) November 26, 2019


Vargas moved up to 154, but he’s only had one fight in that weight class and that was against super featherweight Humberto Soto last April. Vargas has won only one fight since 2017, and that was against 39-year-old Soto.

Garcia has made it known that he wishes to fight WBA Super World welterweight champion Manny ‘Pacman’ Pacquiao next, and he’s one of the two names that is under consideration for his next title defense in the first quarter of next year.

Danny Garcia is the other name that is in the running for the Pacquiao fight. If Mikey doesn’t get the fight, then he would need to keep his career moving.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

WTF is wrong with Garia..

Plenty of big money fights at 135 and 140. Fair enough 135 may be a stretch now.. But come on..

Danny Garcia gair enough, But Vargas? He;s a former 140'er, but now looking to campaign at 154.

Thoughts on this.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Eh.....

Mikey was so passive against spence. Obviously vargas isnt spence. Mikey garcia is much better than vargas he should win this
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Boring.....
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Jessie vargas isnt bad but hes one of those B level guys who is just meh to watch. Not boring, has some decent fights but he isnt going anywhere ultimately. A rematch with broner is all that interests me with him
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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margaret thatcher wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 14:08 Boring.....
X2 makes no sense. Hearn seems to adore Vargas. Mikey will win.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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mg is just no welterweight. he will get beaten again.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Jessie is too much for Mikey.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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I don't mind this matchup (as long as it isn't PPV :doh: )
Thing is, as the OP described, there really isn't an "after" for either guy. Or at least anything with a meaningful prize or forward direction.
Hearn would be mad to sign either to a multi fight deal, neither is at that stage of their careers.
I guess if the fight is entertaining, and competitive, he could milk a rematch. Other than that, where do these guys go :maybe:
They don't fit into LW/SLW/WW anymore- not at the A level at least.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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KiwiRider wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:02 I don't mind this matchup (as long as it isn't PPV :doh: )
Thing is, as the OP described, there really isn't an "after" for either guy. Or at least anything with a meaningful prize or forward direction.
Hearn would be mad to sign either to a multi fight deal, neither is at that stage of their careers.
I guess if the fight is entertaining, and competitive, he could milk a rematch. Other than that, where do these guys go :maybe:
They don't fit into LW/SLW/WW anymore- not at the A level at least.
I think Vargas already has a long way over priced deal. He made over a million for Dulorme. He was one of the first guys he signed frantically blowing that money.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Onetimeonly wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:16
KiwiRider wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:02 I don't mind this matchup (as long as it isn't PPV :doh: )
Thing is, as the OP described, there really isn't an "after" for either guy. Or at least anything with a meaningful prize or forward direction.
Hearn would be mad to sign either to a multi fight deal, neither is at that stage of their careers.
I guess if the fight is entertaining, and competitive, he could milk a rematch. Other than that, where do these guys go :maybe:
They don't fit into LW/SLW/WW anymore- not at the A level at least.
I think Vargas already has a long way over priced deal. He made over a million for Dulorme. He was one of the first guys he signed frantically blowing that money.
:TU:
Yeah. At least Mikey has a decent fan base, I'm sure realistic (but not meaningful) fights could be made that would fill the right venues.
To me though, both these guys are heading to gatekeeper status, or carefully matched non title stuff.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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KiwiRider wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:20
Onetimeonly wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:16

I think Vargas already has a long way over priced deal. He made over a million for Dulorme. He was one of the first guys he signed frantically blowing that money.
:TU:
Yeah. At least Mikey has a decent fan base, I'm sure realistic (but not meaningful) fights could be made that would fill the right venues.
To me though, both these guys are heading to gatekeeper status, or carefully matched non title stuff.
I don't see too many people beating Mikey.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Onetimeonly wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:23
KiwiRider wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 17:20
:TU:
Yeah. At least Mikey has a decent fan base, I'm sure realistic (but not meaningful) fights could be made that would fill the right venues.
To me though, both these guys are heading to gatekeeper status, or carefully matched non title stuff.
I don't see too many people beating Mikey.
Yeh he’s skilled, could still be in his prime.

Before the Spence fight, he was fighting top contenders.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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I can work with this. Garcia is coming off of a loss and lay-off.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Freddie Roach stated a few days ago that Mikey Garcia is being seriously considered to become Manny Pacquiao’s next opponent, during the first quarter of 2020.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 27 Nov 2019, 23:09 Freddie Roach stated a few days ago that Mikey Garcia is being seriously considered to become Manny Pacquiao’s next opponent, during the first quarter of 2020.
Garcia has said that’s his main target.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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“The fight that interests me most is with Pacquiao for 2020. Hearn approached with a proposal for Jessie,” said Mikey Garcia to . @ESPNmx. “We have not negotiated it, but there it is. The important thing is that there are many options to return to the ring.”

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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Mikey is great as far as skill goes. The welters I don't think he'll beat are Crawford and of course Spence. If Spence boxed Porter like he did Mikey he would have won very wide.

Porter, Ugas, Thurman, D Garcia are tough but winnable.

Mikey will take the Pac fight if offered, and beat him I predict. Random testing will make Pac show his true age.
He'll take on Vargas and beat him if that fight doesn't materialize. I actually think Pac will fight D Garcia.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Yesterday a press release was distributed stating that former four-division champion Mikey Garcia had reached a promotional agreement with Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing. Hearn had been talking to Garcia for over a year and a deal was culminated last week.

His next fight will take place on February 29th and will be streamed live on DAZN. Garcia will be fighting for the first time since last March when he moved up two weight classes and lost a unanimous decision to Errol Spence in Texas.

BS.com has been advised that a deal is nearly finalized for Garcia to take on former two-division champion Jessie Vargas in his DAZN debut.

Vargas, who is also signed by Matchroom, last fought in April when he stopped Humberto Soto in 6 rounds at the Forum in Inglewood, California. The bout was fought at a catchweight of 151 pounds. The catchweight was agreed upon for Vargas to test the waters above the welterweight division.

After the fight, Vargas told BS.com that he planned to campaign at the full 154 pound super welterweight limit. Vargas had been in negotiations for a fight against then WBO super welterweight champion Jaime Munguia but an agreement wasn't reached.

Vargas is planning on going back down to the welterweight division for at least one more fight as the bout against Garcia would take place at 147 pounds.

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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Sounds competitive to me, since Vargas has the size and Garcia has the skill. I suppose Garcia might be a bit of a favorite, despite what some have said in this thread. People acting like he really ain't sh*t now that he has one loss against Spence; but before that fight, some were rating Garcia top 5 or 10 p4p. But Garcia should really be fighting at 140 against Taylor, Ramirez, and Lomachenko.
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Lackeos wrote: 16 Dec 2019, 16:30 Sounds competitive to me, since Vargas has the size and Garcia has the skill. I suppose Garcia might be a bit of a favorite, despite what some have said in this thread. People acting like he really ain't sh*t now that he has one loss against Spence; but before that fight, some were rating Garcia top 5 or 10 p4p. But Garcia should really be fighting at 140 against Taylor, Ramirez, and Lomachenko.
He’s still in many top 10’s
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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I was hoping to hear he signed for a fight with Pacquiao. The result would tell a lot about both guy's status. I think it would be very competitive, with them being about the same size, and both have great skills.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Bandog wrote: 16 Dec 2019, 19:50 I was hoping to hear he signed for a fight with Pacquiao. The result would tell a lot about both guy's status. I think it would be very competitive, with them being about the same size, and both have great skills.
If that was the case he wouldn’t have signed with Matchroom.
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Vargas is already pushing for a catchweight match above 150, which likely means at 150 or above.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/12/je ... 7-and-154/
Jessie Vargas (29-2-2, 11 KOs) wants a catchweight between 147 and 154 for his possible fight against newly signed Matchroom Boxing fighter Mikey Garcia on February 29 LIVE on DAZN. Vargas, 30, is the leading candidate to get the fight against former four division world champion Garcia (39-1, 30 KOs) on that date.

“We still need to have that conversation to see what weight the fight would be confirmed at,” Vargas said to ESPN.com. “It’s still in negotiation…the 154-pound division is what I have my eye on. I am open to negotiating a catch weight, and that’s where we are at the moment.”
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Re: Mikey Garcia vs. Jessie Vargas - Early 2020

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Best Coast wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 00:25 Vargas is already pushing for a catchweight match above 150, which likely means at 150 or above.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/12/je ... 7-and-154/
Jessie Vargas (29-2-2, 11 KOs) wants a catchweight between 147 and 154 for his possible fight against newly signed Matchroom Boxing fighter Mikey Garcia on February 29 LIVE on DAZN. Vargas, 30, is the leading candidate to get the fight against former four division world champion Garcia (39-1, 30 KOs) on that date.

“We still need to have that conversation to see what weight the fight would be confirmed at,” Vargas said to ESPN.com. “It’s still in negotiation…the 154-pound division is what I have my eye on. I am open to negotiating a catch weight, and that’s where we are at the moment.”
Garcia is already at a size disadvantage, so he would be a complete idiot to go any higher than 147.
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