Dillian Whyte V Deontay Wilder

[Finkel]

Wilder definitely made the right decision. He wanted the Joshua fight straightaway. Dillion shouldn't have turned down the Joshua rematch, he would probably be champ today.

Think Whyte made the correct choice, based on the low-ball offer he received for April in Wembley.

The Wilder-Fury draw was the perfect outcome for them two in regards to negotiating with Joshua.

Joshua had the date and venue set for April 2018. So it put his team over a barrel and allowed Fury and Wilder to claim they needed a 50/50 split.

When that obviously fell through (which AAA-side is going to give a 50-50 to guys with unproven earning power) they low-balled Whyte, as they preferred the idea of making an American debut against Miller in June.

Remember from Whyte's perspective he was working toward a mandatory against Wilder. He also had a potential future mandatory through the WBO. He was a PPV fighter in his own right, so why sign a disadvantageous contract which ties you into a rematch where you would again be at a disadvantage? Joshua's team needed to be able to save face by saying they made an offer to Whyte. But it wasn't an offer designed to get him to sign. Perhaps you could say it served the interests of both parties at the time, though. I'd give you that!

But for me, Whyte made the correct choice based on the landscape at the time.

[oogiebe]

G'nite EO. Until we meet again!

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder definitely made the right decision. He wanted the Joshua fight straightaway. Dillion shouldn't have turned down the Joshua rematch, he would probably be champ today.

You’re being hypocritical, because you feel that Wilder did the right thing rejecting multiple career-high purses to defend his WBC world title against Dillian Whyte.

Yet you also believe that Dillian Whyte should have accepted a lowball offer to fight Anthony Joshua instead? What a lunatic you are!!!

Dillian Whyte was offered a smaller payday to face AJ for the second time than the purse he was paid for the Dereck Chisora rematch. This was not disputed by Eddie Hearn.

Coincidentally, shortly after ‘The Body Snatcher’ declined Matchroom’s offer to engage in the rematch with Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn subsequently offered the bout to Jarrell Miller instead and even provided the American with a bigger purse than the sum that Whyte was offered. The package was supposedly $6.96m.

The Matchroom boss argued that Whyte should have taken the bout, regardless the small purse being offered, because beating AJ in front of 100,000 people at Wembley would have given Dillian the ownership of the “keys to the kingdom”, which essentially means accept the lowball bid for the sake of seeking sporting glory rather than being paid your financial self-worth.

Dillian Whyte’s most recent outing against Oscar Rivas was the fourth PPV event that he’s headlined. And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events, especially for bouts without a world title being on the line!

Also, Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, when the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the first Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

These are facts that can easily be verified and were corroborated by all parties concerned.

Do you research and please ensure your opinions are applied consistently in the future, because applying double-standards for fighters you like or dislike actually undermines your credibility!

[Winter king]

Whyte always gets hit clean several times. Whyte isnt even the best of the current brawlers.

[Boxtune]

Whyte has 00.00 % chance to beat anyone in top 5 .

We should not be even talking about him .. he is irrelevant until clean up his system from PED until 1 or 2 years.

[Paci]

Whyte has 00.00 % chance to beat anyone in top 5 .

We should not be even talking about him .. he is irrelevant until clean up his system from PED until 1 or 2 years.

Without Whyte's magic juice he ain't more then a high-paid journeymen.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He got 20 million for Ortiz.

The NSAC has Wilder only earning $3m for the Ortiz rematch and even if the American really did earn $20m last weekend, that doesn’t explain the reason why Deontay previously chose to take smaller paydays in preference to facing the long-time number one ranked WBC title challenger, Dillian Whyte.

At the time he was being offered them pay days, he wasn't a free agent though was he? He was with Matchroom.
Also, don't take my word for it, but I remember Wilder saying it wasn't a one fight deal, it had clauses, and you know as well as me, Hearn likes adding clauses to fights.. Whether it's true or not, who knows. Not arguing here, just thought it might be useful. I'm not gonna go start digging up articles. I'm at work.

[gregregegg]

Whyte got a gift v Parker. A headbutt gets scored a KD against Parker, Whyte gets away with fouling throughout, and Parker STILL won that fight, imo.

I appreciate Whyte’s gameness but he has NO chance against Wilder, Fury or AJ, besides landing a wing with a prayer.

i agree that was a gift vs parker. no headclash i have little doubt parker would of won. but saying whyte has no chance against wilder is a bit much. everyone has a shot vs wilder, cause he is pretty average until he murders you. if whyte lands early he can for sure stop wilder. body or head.

[Enlightened-One]

The NSAC has Wilder only earning $3m for the Ortiz rematch and even if the American really did earn $20m last weekend, that doesn’t explain the reason why Deontay previously chose to take smaller paydays in preference to facing the long-time number one ranked WBC title challenger, Dillian Whyte.

At the time he was being offered them pay days, he wasn't a free agent though was he? He was with Matchroom.

The self-managed Dillian Whyte’s business partnership with Matchroom has always been on a fight-by-fight basis.

In order to compete on Sky Sports though, to receive opportunities to engage in the biggest bouts at heavyweight, whilst also receiving the best paydays, he kind of had to work with Eddie Hearn, since the Matchroom boss is the sole boxing content provider for UK-based fights for that network.

Any fighter that wants to compete on British shores, with their bouts covered by Sky Sports, has to work with Eddie Hearn... it’s a legal contractual obligation.

[marvelous marv]

Ih so that's the reason Whyte's career has been so poorly managed.

[oogiebe]

Ih so that's the reason Whyte's career has been so poorly managed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The self-managed Dillian Whyte’s business partnership with Matchroom has always been on a fight-by-fight basis.

Do you know if this has always been the case? I mean Matchroom signed Whyte in 2016.. It was only last year Whyte himself stated he was self-managed and then before either Chisora or Rivas, he said he was a promotion free. Unless there's a video or article somewhere I have missed, then please share.

In order to compete on Sky Sports though, to receive opportunities to engage in the biggest bouts at heavyweight, whilst also receiving the best paydays, he kind of had to work with Eddie Hearn, since the Matchroom boss is the sole boxing content provider for UK-based fights for that network.

And if he wants to continue fighting on Sky, he still needs to work with Eddie.

Any fighter that wants to compete on British shores, with their bouts covered by Sky Sports, has to work with Eddie Hearn... it’s a legal contractual obligation.

I am aware of this, now that he IS promotion free, he just needs to fight under Matchroom Boxing to appear on Sky. he could easily just fight on BT sports under FW as he isn't tied with Matchroom. I do however think, like previous big Matchroom fighters, Whyte may have a rolling contract with Sky Sports for Box Office fights. Who knows.

This is the article when he SIGNED with Matchroom Boxing: DILLIAN WHYTE JOINS MATCHROOM BOXING.. Meaning he may have always been self-managed, but not always promotion free.

[filibert]

Are we talking about Whyte who was tested positive on his fight against Rivas but had not been suspended yet?

[Enlightened-One]

The self-managed Dillian Whyte’s business partnership with Matchroom has always been on a fight-by-fight basis.

Do you know if this has always been the case? I mean Matchroom signed Whyte in 2016.. It was only last year Whyte himself stated he was self-managed and then before either Chisora or Rivas, he said he was a promotion free. Unless there's a video or article somewhere I have missed, then please share.

In order to compete on Sky Sports though, to receive opportunities to engage in the biggest bouts at heavyweight, whilst also receiving the best paydays, he kind of had to work with Eddie Hearn, since the Matchroom boss is the sole boxing content provider for UK-based fights for that network.

And if he wants to continue fighting on Sky, he still needs to work with Eddie.

Any fighter that wants to compete on British shores, with their bouts covered by Sky Sports, has to work with Eddie Hearn... it’s a legal contractual obligation.

I am aware of this, now that he IS promotion free, he just needs to fight under Matchroom Boxing to appear on Sky. he could easily just fight on BT sports under FW as he isn't tied with Matchroom. I do however think, like previous big Matchroom fighters, Whyte may have a rolling contract with Sky Sports for Box Office fights. Who knows.

This is the article when he SIGNED with Matchroom Boxing: DILLIAN WHYTE JOINS MATCHROOM BOXING.. Meaning he may have always been self-managed, but not always promotion free.

I don’t know the terms of that deal. All I can do is cite iFL TV videos of Hearn and Whyte stating that they’ve been working on a fight-by-fight basis for a very long time. I can dig them out show them to you... I am definitely right about this.

That being said, Wilder has never been tied to a promoter or a TV network. He has always been a free agent. And when Deontay rejected the Whyte fights on multiple occasions, he never mentioned that he had to agree to sign with Matchroom for a multiple fight deal.

Perhaps you might be able to correct me on this, in fact you’re the only person that frequents this forum that I believe is capable of doing so, but I’m pretty sure I am right about this.

[oogiebe]

The great and wonderful Oz.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I don’t know the terms of that deal. All I can do is cite iFL TV videos of Hearn and Whyte stating that they’ve been working on a fight-by-fight basis for a very long time. I can dig them out show them to you... I am definitely right about this.

That being said, Wilder has never been tied to a promoter or a TV network. He has always been a free agent. And when Deontay rejected the Whyte fights on multiple occasions, he never mentioned that he had to agree to sign with Matchroom for a multiple fight deal.

Perhaps you might be able to correct me on this, in fact you’re the only person that frequents this forum that I believe is capable of doing so, but I’m pretty sure I am right about this.

I found four times Wilder accused Whyte of ducking him..

"I told him [Whyte] to sign with the PBC [Premier Boxing Champions] when he came from over here network shopping or whatever he was over here doing," the 33-year-old Alabama-born boxer told World Boxing News.

"So I told him, 'Yeah just sign with us, a one-fight deal. Then no problem we'll get that fight on. We can get it on, I'll give you that shot.' But that was one time -- STRIKE."

And the second occasion came when Wilder told the 'Body Snatcher' to take on Luis Ortiz.

He said: "Then I told him to fight Luis Ortiz. 'You fight him and you got my word, you got me' -- I said. And everybody knows when I speak, that's my word, that's my bond and I don't go back on it.

"What did he do? He didn't want to fight him -- STRIKE TWO."

According to Wilder, the third strike came when Whyte snubbed the WBC's call to fight the 40-year-old Cuban.

"Then the WBC came and ordered him to fight Ortiz, they ORDERED him to, and he didn't want the fight -- that's STRIKE THREE," he explained.

The American superstar claimed the fourth strike came after Eddie Hearn refused to set up a match with Whyte ahead of a then-unification match with Anthony Joshua.

He explained: "I said, 'If you give me Dillian then put Joshua on [straight after in the next fight].' So that's a solid STRIKE FOUR there."

The last quote actually shows that Wilder wanted a clause in the contract that he get's Joshua next, but Hearn wasn't having it. Source

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t know the terms of that deal. All I can do is cite iFL TV videos of Hearn and Whyte stating that they’ve been working on a fight-by-fight basis for a very long time. I can dig them out show them to you... I am definitely right about this.

That being said, Wilder has never been tied to a promoter or a TV network. He has always been a free agent. And when Deontay rejected the Whyte fights on multiple occasions, he never mentioned that he had to agree to sign with Matchroom for a multiple fight deal.

Perhaps you might be able to correct me on this, in fact you’re the only person that frequents this forum that I believe is capable of doing so, but I’m pretty sure I am right about this.

I found four times Wilder accused Whyte of ducking him..

"I told him [Whyte] to sign with the PBC [Premier Boxing Champions] when he came from over here network shopping or whatever he was over here doing," the 33-year-old Alabama-born boxer told World Boxing News.

"So I told him, 'Yeah just sign with us, a one-fight deal. Then no problem we'll get that fight on. We can get it on, I'll give you that shot.' But that was one time -- STRIKE."

And the second occasion came when Wilder told the 'Body Snatcher' to take on Luis Ortiz.

He said: "Then I told him to fight Luis Ortiz. 'You fight him and you got my word, you got me' -- I said. And everybody knows when I speak, that's my word, that's my bond and I don't go back on it.

"What did he do? He didn't want to fight him -- STRIKE TWO."

According to Wilder, the third strike came when Whyte snubbed the WBC's call to fight the 40-year-old Cuban.

"Then the WBC came and ordered him to fight Ortiz, they ORDERED him to, and he didn't want the fight -- that's STRIKE THREE," he explained.

The American superstar claimed the fourth strike came after Eddie Hearn refused to set up a match with Whyte ahead of a then-unification match with Anthony Joshua.

He explained: "I said, 'If you give me Dillian then put Joshua on [straight after in the next fight].' So that's a solid STRIKE FOUR there."

The last quote actually shows that Wilder wanted a clause in the contract that he get's Joshua next, but Hearn wasn't having it. Source

I’ve read the article you’ve quoted that cites Wilder’s claims.

What he’s stated though is wrong and very easy to dismiss.

In fact I’ve already discussed these points at length on multiple threads and can copy/paste counter-arguments that decimates the legitimacy of Wilder’s excuses.

If you personally endorse and support Wilder’s excuses, then let me know and I’ll start the ball rolling and address each point head on.

I have a feeling though that you don’t support Wilder’s excuses, because you know too much about the sport of boxing to believe such nonsense.

[oogiebe]

I found four times Wilder accused Whyte of ducking him..

"I told him [Whyte] to sign with the PBC [Premier Boxing Champions] when he came from over here network shopping or whatever he was over here doing," the 33-year-old Alabama-born boxer told World Boxing News.

"So I told him, 'Yeah just sign with us, a one-fight deal. Then no problem we'll get that fight on. We can get it on, I'll give you that shot.' But that was one time -- STRIKE."

And the second occasion came when Wilder told the 'Body Snatcher' to take on Luis Ortiz.

He said: "Then I told him to fight Luis Ortiz. 'You fight him and you got my word, you got me' -- I said. And everybody knows when I speak, that's my word, that's my bond and I don't go back on it.

"What did he do? He didn't want to fight him -- STRIKE TWO."

According to Wilder, the third strike came when Whyte snubbed the WBC's call to fight the 40-year-old Cuban.

"Then the WBC came and ordered him to fight Ortiz, they ORDERED him to, and he didn't want the fight -- that's STRIKE THREE," he explained.

The American superstar claimed the fourth strike came after Eddie Hearn refused to set up a match with Whyte ahead of a then-unification match with Anthony Joshua.

He explained: "I said, 'If you give me Dillian then put Joshua on [straight after in the next fight].' So that's a solid STRIKE FOUR there."

The last quote actually shows that Wilder wanted a clause in the contract that he get's Joshua next, but Hearn wasn't having it. Source

I’ve read the article you’ve quoted that cites Wilder’s claims.

What he’s stated though is wrong and very easy to dismiss.

In fact I’ve already discussed these points at length on multiple threads and can copy/paste counter-arguments that decimates the legitimacy of Wilder’s excuses.

If you personally endorse and support Wilder’s excuses, then let me know and I’ll start the ball rolling and address each point head on.

I have a feeling though that you don’t support Wilder’s excuses, because you know too much about the sport of boxing to believe such nonsense.

Oh Please don't keep us waiting. Address this point by point.

[oogiebe]

Wait EO. Let me try first to guess.

Everything Hearn/whyte says is the truth.

Everything Wilder says is a lie.

Ok, that saved some time.

[tiny_acres]

Wait EO. Let me try first to guess.

Everything Hearn/whyte says is the truth.

Everything Wilder says is a lie.

Ok, that saved some time.

You know the story already

[oogiebe]

Wait EO. Let me try first to guess.

Everything Hearn/whyte says is the truth.

Everything Wilder says is a lie.

Ok, that saved some time.

You know the story already

All too well.

[Ruthless-RKO]

If you personally endorse and support Wilder’s excuses, then let me know and I’ll start the ball rolling and address each point head on.

I have a feeling though that you don’t support Wilder’s excuses, because you know too much about the sport of boxing to believe such nonsense.

No, i'm not really fussed about the Wilder-Whyte situation..

[ValMar]

Whyte has 33% on the poll. This must be a joke.

[Paci]

Whytes defence would be picked apart by Wilder with no problems. Whyte would last tops 3 rounds if Wilder going for a setup right-cross at the jaw. Otherwise with Wilders power, Whyte will spend some time in the hospital and might not make it out of round 1 if Wilder goes for just taking him out.

[margaret thatcher]

I don't think it would be quick and easy, Whyte would have his moments, but it ends in an AJ style brutal KO loss again for Whyte