It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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apollo creed wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:43
margaret thatcher wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:25 Doesn't he always break his hand or his elbow though lol
lol
Yeah everytime one of Wilder's opponents go more than 10 with him, he brings up that silly excuse. Probably against Tyson Fury , Wilder had all his body broken. lol
Wilder is a bum. Can't believe how protected he is. He KO's tomato cans and old men. :clap:
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oogiebe wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:10
Enlightened-One wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:09
Anthony Joshua was only 26½ years of age when he performed the very first defence of his IBF world heavyweight title against the undefeated Dominic Breazeale during his 17th outing. This was 995 days after the Brit made his pro debut (a career spanning roughly 2½ years).

Deontay Wilder was 33 years of age, competing in his 42nd bout of a professional career spanning 10½ years, whilst engaging in his tenth world title fight, at the time he faced Dominic Breazeale (a man that had already tasted defeat and had previously faced monumental struggles to defeat opponents that weren’t world-rated, whilst having hit the deck on numerous occasions).
Yeah so?
My thoughts exactly. smh
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Bandog wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:49
oogiebe wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:10
Yeah so?
My thoughts exactly. smh
incredible isn't it?
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Deja vu, I thought there was already a thread on this. Apollo you're slipping, how dare you talk about someone other than the charlos!
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Boxtune wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 06:49
Why talk crap !! Your haterd seems about something.

Did wilder rap your sister in your mother bed ?
End thread.
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clopixolacuphase wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 13:21
Boxtune wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 06:49
Why talk crap !! Your haterd seems about something.

Did wilder rap your sister in your mother bed ?
End thread.
:lol: Please!
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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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oogiebe wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:45
apollo creed wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:43
lol
Yeah everytime one of Wilder's opponents go more than 10 with him, he brings up that silly excuse. Probably against Tyson Fury , Wilder had all his body broken. lol
Wilder is a bum. Can't believe how protected he is. He KO's tomato cans and old men. :clap:
Is he? :D
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I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
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It's really not crazy. Hell he's probably better than Shavers at this point. Certainly he's had a far more successful career already than Shavers. I'm not sure Shavers could've beaten Luis Ortiz either. He probably could've taken everyone else Wilder has fought, but I'm not sure he could've beaten a Luis Ortiz.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:41 I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:41 I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
I don't think it is really. His power is the reason for all he's accomplished. He certainly hasn't gotten where he has due to his Boxing skill or Ring IQ :lol:

If not for his Punching power he wouldn't be Top 10. Because of it he's arguably #1.
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But Deontay has defense, mobility, patience, timing, punch selection, and now since the Breazeale fight he has technique. All of this to go along with his athletic attributes. He's not just power.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:47 But Deontay has defense, mobility, patience, timing, punch selection, and now since the Breazeale fight he has technique. All of this o go along with his athletic attributes. He's not just power.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:41 I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.
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Bandog wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:53
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:41 I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.
King Husker back at what he does best, running BoxRec's Deontay Defense Force. Let's see if he'll call for bans again this time :yay:
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Bandog wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:53
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:41 I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.
Oh deary me. Turn it in mate, I've watched thousands of fights in my lifetime, and seen many great punchers, so get over yourself. For what it's worth John Rawling, a boxing journalist and pundit of some regard, also says much the same, that it's a little easy to get carried away.

Wlad had good power, but was near the end of his career, and was always very reticent ever since his losses to Sanders and then Lamon Brewster. He didn't really land a solid punch on Fury the whole fight, so it's a moot point really.

And for the record, who isn't giving him credit, he hits very hard, but people acting like he's the greatest puncher who ever lived, are getting a wee bit overexcited. He is a great one shot puncher, no doubt, but most of his opponents have been very poor indeed.

He's definitely one of the better one shot hitters at heavyweight, but a little bit of calm is needed.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:54
Bandog wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:53

Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.
King Husker back at what he does best, running BoxRec's Deontay Defense Force. Let's see if he'll call for bans again this time :yay:
Who is this guy, what's eating him?
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margaret thatcher wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:47 But Deontay has defense, mobility, patience, timing, punch selection, and now since the Breazeale fight he has technique. All of this to go along with his athletic attributes. He's not just power.
This is ironic right?
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He's a huge Wilder hugger, whose passion for his man goes so deep he went out in a storm calling for bans of anyone who speaks ill of Wilder and for all Brits (supposedly all AJ huggers) to stay out of the Current Scene :lol:
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 17:06
margaret thatcher wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:47 But Deontay has defense, mobility, patience, timing, punch selection, and now since the Breazeale fight he has technique. All of this to go along with his athletic attributes. He's not just power.
This is ironic right?
You don't agree?
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margaret thatcher wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 17:07
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 17:06

This is ironic right?
You don't agree?
I wouldn't really tout his technique a huge amount, as for patience, well, he generally gets outboxed until he lands the bomb, so I guess you could say that.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 17:01
Bandog wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:53

Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.
Oh deary me. Turn it in mate, I've watched thousands of fights in my lifetime, and seen many great punchers, so get over yourself. For what it's worth John Rawling, a boxing journalist and pundit of some regard, also says much the same, that it's a little easy to get carried away.

Wlad had good power, but was near the end of his career, and was always very reticent ever since his losses to Sanders and then Lamon Brewster. He didn't really land a solid punch on Fury the whole fight, so it's a moot point really.

And for the record, who isn't giving him credit, he hits very hard, but people acting like he's the greatest puncher who ever lived, are getting a wee bit overexcited. He is a great one shot puncher, no doubt, but most of his opponents have been very poor indeed.

He's definitely one of the better one shot hitters at heavyweight, but a little bit of calm is needed.
Wilder's power is all time power. He's up there amongst the greatest punchers in HW history. There is no doubt about that. All the best had bums they fought (see louis' bum of the month). You can't take that away from him despite his lack of pure boxing skills. been watching boxing over 45 years. Saw Foreman/Shavers/Cooney and the like. Wilder hits harder than them all. Doesn't have the thudding power of foreman or shavers but for pure one-shot power, best I've ever seen.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 16:41 I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.
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Well said bro! But we should take in consideration (not an excuse if it's gonna happen) that the nowadays version of Fury is not in the same top shape as he was when he fought W.K or pre W.K fight.
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