Dillian Whyte V Deontay Wilder

[Bandog]

You know the story already

All too well.

[Evander]

Right now this would be a hot fight.

[Bandog]

Right now this would be a hot fight.

With random testing, and no Ariza shakes or Clenelo meat Wilder KO's Whyte. I don't think Whyte is nearly as good as Ortiz, even at 40. Realistically that fight is a couple of years away, with Wilder fighting Fury, and they possibly AJ/Ruiz winner.

Perhaps Whyte will finally man up, strap his nuts on and fight the old man Ortiz?

[Enlightened-One]

Perhaps Whyte will finally man up, strap his nuts on and fight the old man Ortiz?

The Cuban allegedly declined an opportunity received from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a $2.54m purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him.

However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

In stark contrast, Dillian Whyte ended up facing Joseph Parker on that date instead, with the Kiwi rated above the Cuban Ortiz.

Please remember that Luis Ortiz also rejected an opportunity to face Anthony Joshua, who is a fighter that Dillian Whyte has already fought.

[Jonny22Kupfer]

Perhaps Whyte will finally man up, strap his nuts on and fight the old man Ortiz?

The Cuban allegedly declined an opportunity received from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a $2.54m purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him.

However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

In stark contrast, Dillian Whyte ended up facing Joseph Parker on that date instead, with the Kiwi rated above the Cuban Ortiz.

Please remember that Luis Ortiz also rejected an opportunity to face Anthony Joshua, who is a fighter that Dillian Whyte has already fought.

What is your point? He declined the fight with Joshua for the same reason. A short preparation time isn't enough to get his old body to 100%. And he obviously didn't need that 100% to beat Razvan Cojanu.
He wasn't scared to face Wilder twice(with long preparation time), why should he be scared of Whyte, who dodged multiple opportunities to get a title-shot in the last years.

[Enlightened-One]

The Cuban allegedly declined an opportunity received from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a $2.54m purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him.

However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

In stark contrast, Dillian Whyte ended up facing Joseph Parker on that date instead, with the Kiwi rated above the Cuban Ortiz.

Please remember that Luis Ortiz also rejected an opportunity to face Anthony Joshua, who is a fighter that Dillian Whyte has already fought.

What is your point? He declined the fight with Joshua for the same reason. A short preparation time isn't enough to get his old body to 100%. And he obviously didn't need that 100% to beat Razvan Cojanu.
He wasn't scared to face Wilder twice(with long preparation time), why should he be scared of Whyte, who dodged multiple opportunities to get a title-shot in the last years.

Rather than reacting in a knee-jerk fashion, look at the post I was responding to, because my words were written in context.

Learn to read, comprehend and then react accordingly!

Also, you claim that Whyte “dodged multiple opportunities to get a title-shot”, but I’m only aware of one instance, which was when he received the infamous lowball offer from AJ (i.e. where the payday being offered was less than what Dillian Whyte earned for the Chisora rematch).

What others can you name?

[Jonny22Kupfer]

Learn to read, comprehend and then react accordingly!

Also, you claim that Whyte “dodged multiple opportunities to get a title-shot”, but I’m only aware of one instance, which was when he received the infamous lowball offer from AJ (i.e. where the payday being offered was less than what Dillian Whyte earned for the Chisora rematch).

What others can you name?

Fighting in an eliminator for the mandatory position isn't an opportunitie to get a title-shot in your opinion?
I know that he had good reasons to not take those opportunities. He took money over one direct and multiple indirect title shots, so he dodged those opportunities in my opinion.

[marvelous marv]

Dianabol Whyte has turned down multiple eliminator fights and title defenses. What a

[margaret thatcher]

Dianabol Whyte has turned down multiple eliminator fights and title defenses. What a

Thinks of all the PEDS in the ring if he and Ort fought

[KiwiRider]

And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events, especially for bouts without a world title being on the line!

I know you love a bit of trivia EO
Joseph Parker has headlined 7 PPV fights in my country. All 7 have been at the highest price of $39.95 NZD as opposed to the regular $34.95 for AJ, Canelo, Wifebeater Jr etc.

[Enlightened-One]

Also, you claim that Whyte “dodged multiple opportunities to get a title-shot”, but I’m only aware of one instance, which was when he received the infamous lowball offer from AJ (i.e. where the payday being offered was less than what Dillian Whyte earned for the Chisora rematch).

What others can you name?

Fighting in an eliminator for the mandatory position isn't an opportunitie to get a title-shot in your opinion?
I know that he had good reasons to not take those opportunities. He took money over one direct and multiple indirect title shots, so he dodged those opportunities in my opinion.

Dillian Whyte had already competed in a WBC eliminator against Dereck Chisora three years ago, captured and successfully defended the WBC silver title numerous times, currently holds the WBC interim title and has also been their highest-ranked title challenger since November 2017.

When the WBC ordered Dillian Whyte to engage in the “final” eliminator against Luis Ortiz on the 25th April 2018, it was only to determine their second mandatory challenger, behind Dominic Breazeale.

And the only reason why Dominic Breazeale became the WBC’s mandatory challenger in the first place, was when he faced Eric Molina in a final eliminator, despite the fact that both Al Haymon fighters were rated behind Dillian Whyte in the WBC’s rankings. The Brit wasn’t even considered for this opportunity.

Anyway, the ‘King Kong’ Cuban eventually declined an opportunity received from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him. However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

The thing is… Luis Ortiz didn’t need to engage in the WBC’s final eliminator against Dillian Whyte anyway, because he was always guaranteed the Wilder rematch, due to the fact himself and Deontay are members of Al Haymon’s stable of fighters (i.e. the challengers for nine of the eleven world title bouts ‘The Bronze Bomber’ has participated in were members of the PBC stable).

And let’s not forget that Deontay Wilder has only ever performed two mandatory defences of his world title, which he captured almost five years ago, but WBC rules state their champions are expected to make them once per year.

And for some strange reason ‘The Bronze Bomber’ won’t be obliged by the WBC to face Dillian Whyte until February 2021 (4½ years after the Brit won his first WBC eliminator, 3½ years after he became the WBC’s highest-ranked contender and 20 months after achieving mandatory challenger status).

[oogiebe]

Geez boys, we've been over this umteen times already.

[tiny_acres]

Geez boys, we've been over this umteen times already.

You know he will never admit hes wrong

[oogiebe]

Geez boys, we've been over this umteen times already.

You know he will never admit hes wrong

He won't, but who cares. He's entertaining at times. Predictable always. I dare you to debate me on the facts!

[tiny_acres]

You know he will never admit hes wrong

He won't, but who cares. He's entertaining at times. Predictable always. I dare you to debate me on the facts!

I've said many times he makes some good points . He just can't understand that his opinion is not fact

[oogiebe]

He won't, but who cares. He's entertaining at times. Predictable always. I dare you to debate me on the facts!

I've said many times he makes some good points . He just can't understand that his opinion is not fact

His good posts are overwhelmed by his off the rails rants. I stopped giving him any kudos. It's all a game of self-aggrandizment and narcisistic feeding frenzies. He hones in on a minute fact and one poster and goes into a rabbit hole.
I mean his name alone.

[Finkel]

He won't, but who cares. He's entertaining at times. Predictable always. I dare you to debate me on the facts!

I've said many times he makes some good points . He just can't understand that his opinion is not fact

Think you are confused. EO is literally recounting actual events to you as they happened.

The WBC in cahoots with PBC have bent their own rules multiple times over the last 4 years to keep Whyte (a non PBC fighter) away from Wilder. This isn't opinion. The evidence is damning.

The counter to the actual documented events and rules seems to be an interview with Wilder (like he is some unbiased actor in all this) pretty much telling you - if he is to be believed - that the WBC is allowing his team to act as shot caller and pimp. Ridiculous

[oogiebe]

I've said many times he makes some good points . He just can't understand that his opinion is not fact

Think you are confused. EO is literally recounting actual events to you as they happened.

The WBC in cahoots with PBC have bent their own rules multiple times over the last 4 years to keep Whyte (a non PBC fighter) away from Wilder. This isn't opinion. The evidence is damning.

The counter to the actual documented events and rules seems to be an interview with Wilder (like he is some unbiased actor in all this) pretty much telling you - if he is to be believed - that the WBC is allowing his team to act as shot caller and pimp. Ridiculous

A conspiracy.

[Finkel]

Think you are confused. EO is literally recounting actual events to you as they happened.

The WBC in cahoots with PBC have bent their own rules multiple times over the last 4 years to keep Whyte (a non PBC fighter) away from Wilder. This isn't opinion. The evidence is damning.

The counter to the actual documented events and rules seems to be an interview with Wilder (like he is some unbiased actor in all this) pretty much telling you - if he is to be believed - that the WBC is allowing his team to act as shot caller and pimp. Ridiculous

A conspiracy.

It's not like they are hiding it

[Enlightened-One]

He won't, but who cares. He's entertaining at times. Predictable always. I dare you to debate me on the facts!

I've said many times he makes some good points . He just can't understand that his opinion is not fact

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they aren’t entitled to their own facts.

My previous post in this thread simply me reciting facts in chronological order.

You clearly need to read a dictionary and comprehend the difference between the words “subjective” and “objective”, since the vast majority of my posts are primarily based on the latter.

[adislav123]

wilder and his team are not to blame to act within & bend as much as possible that full on retarded/corrupt construction that is the rulebook of the WBC.

rule no.1: Don't fight Whyte. ever.

to avoid fighting no.1 ranked whyte at all cost like the black plague was the most basic necessary decision to keep the wilder enterprise on it's profitable course.

because they 100% knew that whyte would've ended wilder's title reign.

[Onetimeonly]

I've said many times he makes some good points . He just can't understand that his opinion is not fact

His good posts are overwhelmed by his off the rails rants. I stopped giving him any kudos. It's all a game of self-aggrandizment and narcisistic feeding frenzies. He hones in on a minute fact and one poster and goes into a rabbit hole.
I mean his name alone.

His funniest posts are patting himself on the back for picking a huge favorite. His good posts are copied and pasted same as his much more frequent bad ones. Not an original thought in his pretty little head. Harmless though, I'd ruffle his hair and buy him some milk and cookies.

[Onetimeonly]

wilder and his team are not to blame to act within & bend as much as possible that full on retarded/corrupt construction that is the rulebook of the WBC.

rule no.1: Don't fight Whyte. ever.

to avoid fighting no.1 ranked whyte at all cost like the black plague was the most basic necessary decision to keep the wilder enterprise on it's profitable course.

because they 100% knew that whyte would've ended wilder's title reign.

And if wilder knocks out whyte you, and all of your aliases, will pretend it wasn't a punch, the ref cheated, wilder held his child captive, etc.... Sucks for you the division is so weak.

[Finkel]

wilder and his team are not to blame to act within & bend as much as possible that full on retarded/corrupt construction that is the rulebook of the WBC.

rule no.1: Don't fight Whyte. ever.

I'm going to go a bit consipiratorial here, but perhaps it's fair to say
one hand washes the other

https://www.BS.com/brett-yorma ... ts--134616
2018 article:

Brett Yormark, Chief Executive Officer of BSE Global (BSE), has been tapped to lead the newly established Advisory Board for Haymon Sports, LLC, the creator of boxing's preeminent brand, the Premier Boxing Champions (PBC).  

Yormark was instrumental in securing the rights of Barclays Center being named the east coast home of PBC Boxing.  Under that agreement, which was announced in September, Barclays Center will host a minimum of eight PBC shows per year. Yormark also serves on the WBC Supreme Council.

Though I'm sure none of that is particularly surprising news in the sport of boxing...
Promoters have influence within Sanctioning bodies.

But this relationship seems rather "close"

[Enlightened-One]

He got 20 million for Ortiz.

How on earth is Wilder supposed to earn $20m from the Ortiz rematch, considering the following issues?

• The attendance at the MGM Grand Arena is reported to be in the region of 10K for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, where the stadium capacity is 17K+, which is about half the size as the crowd that watched the Joshua-Ruiz fight in NYC
• The PPV buy-rate is rumoured to be appallingly bad (definitely much less than 100K and supposedly a record low, with some sources claiming it to be as poor as 2.5K buys)
• The NSAC having Deontay’s official purse at only $3m
• The are no official named sources corroborating the alleged $20m purse figure

You also need to consider Wilder’s typical purses:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz I = $2.1m
• Tyson Fury = ~$10m ($4m guarantee, plus ~$6m PPV in revenue)
• Dominic Breazeale = ~$10m (based on an overly-generous rumour, because the Showtime boss, Stephen Espinoza, refused to divulge the actual figure)

Where exactly is the money coming from to fund Wilder’s alleged $20m payday, since he isn’t contractually-tied to any promoter or network?

Put it this way, it the gate receipts and the PPV buy-rate figure for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch are really as bad as being currently reported, then Deontay’s rematch against Tyson Fury could be cancelled, because their first bout underperformed commercially and the American’s popularity/commercial worth might have declined significantly since then.