It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

[jamesmcdonnell]

Oh deary me. Turn it in mate, I've watched thousands of fights in my lifetime, and seen many great punchers, so get over yourself. For what it's worth John Rawling, a boxing journalist and pundit of some regard, also says much the same, that it's a little easy to get carried away.

Wlad had good power, but was near the end of his career, and was always very reticent ever since his losses to Sanders and then Lamon Brewster. He didn't really land a solid punch on Fury the whole fight, so it's a moot point really.

And for the record, who isn't giving him credit, he hits very hard, but people acting like he's the greatest puncher who ever lived, are getting a wee bit overexcited. He is a great one shot puncher, no doubt, but most of his opponents have been very poor indeed.

He's definitely one of the better one shot hitters at heavyweight, but a little bit of calm is needed.

Wilder's power is all time power. He's up there amongst the greatest punchers in HW history. There is no doubt about that. All the best had bums they fought (see louis' bum of the month). You can't take that away from him despite his lack of pure boxing skills. been watching boxing over 45 years. Saw Foreman/Shavers/Cooney and the like. Wilder hits harder than them all. Doesn't have the thudding power of foreman or shavers but for pure one-shot power, best I've ever seen.

I would agree he has great one shot power, like you I've watched all of those guys, Shavers had similar mind numbing power, that rendered people insensible.

I just think people are getting a little bit overexcited by him knocking Ortiz out.

[apollo creed]

But Deontay has defense, mobility, patience, timing, punch selection, and now since the Breazeale fight he has technique. All of this to go along with his athletic attributes. He's not just power.

Ok Margaret.

[margaret thatcher]

You don't agree?

I wouldn't really tout his technique a huge amount, as for patience, well, he generally gets outboxed until he lands the bomb, so I guess you could say that.

I think he has a lot more than given credit for. People say it's just the power, but he also has

-Speed
-Stamina
-Mobility
-Defense
-Patience
-Heart
-Timing
-Punch technique and selection now
-Length

[jamesmcdonnell]

I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.

Well said bro! But we should take in consideration (not an excuse if it's gonna happen) that the nowadays version of Fury is not in the same top shape as he was when he fought W.K or pre W.K fight.

Well, let's see what sort of shape he gets in. He should be in his prime now Fury, if he's living the life between fights then he should be able to get into the shape of his life.

[apollo creed]

I do think that Wilders power is being played up rather, i mean obviously he hits hard, but he's also generally faced pretty average opponents. The best guy he faced, got up of the floor and boxed his ears off, so you need to take his power with a pinch of salt I'd say.

If he manages to flatten Fury with one shot in the rematch, I will be impressed, because Fury's got great powers of recovery.

Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.

A semi-retired-fat and out of shape version of Fury that boxed Wilder in that fight.

[apollo creed]

Well said bro! But we should take in consideration (not an excuse if it's gonna happen) that the nowadays version of Fury is not in the same top shape as he was when he fought W.K or pre W.K fight.

Well, let's see what sort of shape he gets in. He should be in his prime now Fury, if he's living the life between fights then he should be able to get into the shape of his life.

We will have to see.

[apollo creed]

Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.

Oh deary me. Turn it in mate, I've watched thousands of fights in my lifetime, and seen many great punchers, so get over yourself. For what it's worth John Rawling, a boxing journalist and pundit of some regard, also says much the same, that it's a little easy to get carried away.

Wlad had good power, but was near the end of his career, and was always very reticent ever since his losses to Sanders and then Lamon Brewster. He didn't really land a solid punch on Fury the whole fight, so it's a moot point really.

And for the record, who isn't giving him credit, he hits very hard, but people acting like he's the greatest puncher who ever lived, are getting a wee bit overexcited. He is a great one shot puncher, no doubt, but most of his opponents have been very poor indeed.

He's definitely one of the better one shot hitters at heavyweight, but a little bit of calm is needed.

Valid points.

[apollo creed]

Let's be fair! Which perfomance in terms of punching power is more amazing? That Wilder KO'd a 40 or 50? y/o Luis Ortiz or that a chubby-small hw with T-Rex arms like Andy Ruiz Jr stopped a young-undefeated-prime unified boxing champion in Joshua?

[adislav123]

he just isn't the destructive one punch annihilator that renders everybody unconscious.

he lost against fury.

ortiz got caught right on the spot, went down and got robbed twice of the chance to REALLY fight wilder to an conclusive end in both title fights.

szplika jumped face forward into wilders fist multiplying the impact of the punch that wilder's delusion of all time great punching power & killing fantasies are rooting from.

breazale ossified to a salt pillar while pantomiming the deer in the headlights awaiting the incoming sledge hammer.

wilder's record up to his title shot...

[adislav123]

he just isn't the destructive one punch annihilator that renders everybody unconscious.

he lost against fury.

ortiz got caught right on the spot, went down and got robbed twice of the chance to REALLY fight wilder to an conclusive end in both title fights.

szplika jumped face forward into wilders fist multiplying the impact of the punch that wilder's delusion of all time great punching power & killing fantasies are rooting from.

breazale ossified to a salt pillar while pantomiming the deer in the headlights awaiting the incoming sledge hammer.

wilder's record up to his title shot...

[Onetimeonly]

Let's be fair! Which perfomance in terms of punching power is more amazing? That Wilder KO'd a 40 or 50? y/o Luis Ortiz or that a chubby-small hw with T-Rex arms like Andy Ruiz Jr stopped a young-undefeated-prime unified boxing champion in Joshua?

Obviously wilder for your question. Obviously Ruiz was a better win.

[lazboy]

I wouldn't really tout his technique a huge amount, as for patience, well, he generally gets outboxed until he lands the bomb, so I guess you could say that.

I think he has a lot more than given credit for. People say it's just the power, but he also has

-Speed
-Stamina
-Mobility
-Defense
-Patience
-Heart
-Timing
-Punch technique and selection now
-Length

No doubt Wilder has terrific power, it's hard (for me) to gauge how good he is in other aspects given the level of competition. Here are my thoughts and I'm not saying that you think he excels in any of the categories, I'm just using the template, just an opinion.


-Speed - no doubt, impressive speed.
-Stamina - He seems to have good stamina however he's not exactly a workhorse in rounds. Many rounds you see him pawing with a jab and not engaging thus not expending energy.
-Mobility - Seems to be able to skirt around the ring well and keep balance.
-Defense - His defense depends on his feet moving in and out of range. It seems ok and does the trick given how huge his stride is.
-Patience - Ok this is where I'm going to disagree with some people. He's patient but is that because he can't find a punch, he can't set up a punch like a skillful boxer can do with a jab and movement. Instead Wilder waits for the punch, waits for his opponent to slow down and/or make a mistake. Whilst he is waiting he is losing rounds and getting hit. No one wants to get hit, no one doesn't want to land. Appreciate he has a game plan in mind but if he could hit them and avoid getting hit he would.
-Heart - No question
-Timing - It's good, but again he's waiting for his opponent to slow in a lot of cases.
-Punch technique and selection now - I don't really see how this is improved. He knows how to throw a strong right hand. The Fury fight put this in the limelight. Right hand - miss, right hand miss, rinse and repeat. Again with Ortiz he basically waited, throwing the one punch rather showing anything new. He obviously knows how to throw extremely hard right hands but I'm not convinced he can shorten his punches and other subtle things. I feel he has one punch in mind and when he feels it will land, he throws, now that could be in the first round (Brezeale) or round 7 (Ortiz).
-Length -

[Bandog]

Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.

A semi-retired-fat and out of shape version of Fury that boxed Wilder in that fight.

Fury had trained for a year and had two tune up fights. He boxed Wilder, but the slaps and feints were not effective enough to convince the judges. He was lucky he had the ref he had instead of the one that reffed Wilder/Ortiz. Hell, 99% of them would have called Fury KO'd in the 12th and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Bandog]

Who else has gotten even remotely as close to knocking out Fury? Wlad had good power, Chisora, etc.

Give the guy credit ffs, no one here brags about his technique or ring generalship, but those that have seen all-time great punchers give him at least that credit. You obviously haven't seen any.

King Husker back at what he does best, running BoxRec's Deontay Defense Force. Let's see if he'll call for bans again this time

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a Badger, not a Husker. I just get annoyed by idiots that allow hate of certain boxers to keep them from using common sense and basic boxing knowledge. I'm white, by the way, and probably old enough to be most folk's grandpa on this board.

[apollo creed]

It's not hate! That's a stupid cheap word. I call it what I see it. Wilder Knocked out a 40 or 50 y/o Ortiz! It's nothing to brag about knocking out old fighters and be called already an 'ATG ko puncher' lol. Indeed Wilder has ko pop in his right hand but so had AJ till he met Joseph Parker. But AJ first proved against better opposition (Dillian Whyte and Klitschko) than Wilder.

[Roars Like Me]

Some people’s obsession with downgrading Wilder is really some sort of mental illness.

No one is saying he is an all time great in boxing skills....but the pop in his punch is undeniable.

The idea that because Bermane Stiverne went 12 rounds once negates that, is just silly.

I seem to remember people giving Wilder kudos for 'boxing' for a change, in that 1st Stiverne fight.
He was trying to win the belt so I don't blame him at all.

He does have real power obviously. is it comparable to Mike Tyson/Big George etc, maybe not but not far off.

[apollo creed]

“Wilder has nothing more than a puncher’s chance vs me, I’m gonna school him even more than the first fight.
“He ain’t no badass. I beat him after three years out of the ring, he is a bum dosser.”

Gipsy King speaking the truth.

[Tony1244]

Earnie Shavers lost to Bob Stallings and Foreman went the distance with Levi Forte. I don't think Wilder's 12 round decision against Stiverne looks too bad.. While Wlad could also bang, comparing Povetkin's punching power with Wilder's is beyond ridiculous.

[Paci]

All them guys hits hard. Thats it.

[apollo creed]

Earnie Shavers lost to Bob Stallings and Foreman went the distance with Levi Forte. I don't think Wilder's 12 round decision against Stiverne looks too bad.. While Wlad could also bang, comparing Povetkin's punching power with Wilder's is beyond ridiculous.

Really? What about Povetkin T/KO's of Carlos Takam, Mike Perez and Mariusz Wach? Those were really hard fighters to stop at that time.

[Tony1244]

Earnie Shavers lost to Bob Stallings and Foreman went the distance with Levi Forte. I don't think Wilder's 12 round decision against Stiverne looks too bad.. While Wlad could also bang, comparing Povetkin's punching power with Wilder's is beyond ridiculous.

Really? What about Povetkin T/KO's of Carlos Takam, Mike Perez and Mariusz Wach? Those were really hard fighters to stop at that time.

Povetkin does have power, but Deontay's power is exceptional. Povetkin has more skill, but Deontay almost doesn't need skill with his power.

[gilgamesh]

But Deontay has defense, mobility, patience, timing, punch selection, and now since the Breazeale fight he has technique. All of this to go along with his athletic attributes. He's not just power.

He has patience. I'm not sure I'd give him any of those other attributes. Or at least he doesn't have those attributes to a larger extent than most of his opponents.

[bigman1968]

Earnie Shavers lost to Bob Stallings and Foreman went the distance with Levi Forte. I don't think Wilder's 12 round decision against Stiverne looks too bad.. While Wlad could also bang, comparing Povetkin's punching power with Wilder's is beyond ridiculous.

Really? What about Povetkin T/KO's of Carlos Takam, Mike Perez and Mariusz Wach? Those were really hard fighters to stop at that time.

Povetkin never won by single punch KO.
And Wach wasn’t even KOed...the ref stopped this sparring session with Wach standing to give Povetkon KO in resume-)

[Ricky]

You could take apart anyone's record if you want to. Ali mocked Foreman's power before the jungle, he said Frazer kept getting up after 3, if Foreman had real power his opponents would be down for the count of 20. That's the power Wilder has; he knocked Ortiz out with the first clean right that got home, the guy looks like he could knock out a horse.

[gilgamesh]

Really? What about Povetkin T/KO's of Carlos Takam, Mike Perez and Mariusz Wach? Those were really hard fighters to stop at that time.

Povetkin never won by single punch KO.
And Wach wasn’t even KOed...the ref stopped this sparring session with Wach standing to give Povetkon KO in resume-)

Wasn't David Price a single punch KO?