It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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gilgamesh wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 14:42
bigman1968 wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 14:22
Povetkin never won by single punch KO.
And Wach wasn’t even KOed...the ref stopped this sparring session with Wach standing to give Povetkon KO in resume-)
Wasn't David Price a single punch KO?
Who didn’t KO Price with single punch?-)))
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bigman1968 wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 17:09
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 14:42

Wasn't David Price a single punch KO?
Who didn’t KO Price with single punch?-)))
:lol: ...good point.
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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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bigman1968 wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 17:09
gilgamesh wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 14:42

Wasn't David Price a single punch KO?
Who didn’t KO Price with single punch?-)))
And it was two punches...
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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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ldlamb wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 08:32 Some people’s obsession with downgrading Wilder is really some sort of mental illness.

No one is saying he is an all time great in boxing skills....but the pop in his punch is undeniable.

The idea that because Bermane Stiverne went 12 rounds once negates that, is just silly.
Nail on head
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Povetkin laid out Duhaupas nasty with a leaping left hook, that's prob my fave KO of his and I think Haupy might be the one guy not to be dropped by Wilder. Pov's been an impressive puncher but more at the level of an Ortiz for power, not Wilder level, he can't score the big KOs as consistently and you see guys go the distance with him who you just know that there's no chance they'd last vs Wilder even with half the punches landed.
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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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ewenhay wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 17:13
ldlamb wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 08:32 Some people’s obsession with downgrading Wilder is really some sort of mental illness.

No one is saying he is an all time great in boxing skills....but the pop in his punch is undeniable.

The idea that because Bermane Stiverne went 12 rounds once negates that, is just silly.
Nail on head
Not really, it's just about putting it into perspective.

It's the same as the people who were saying Joshua would have beaten any heavyweight in history, based on a win over an ancient Wlad and beating a few pretty ordinary heavyweights.
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Without PEDs, Povetkin's power is ordinary.
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Povetkin also KO Takam with a nice left hook and Perez with a right hand. :TU:
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 21:21
ewenhay wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 17:13

Nail on head
Not really, it's just about putting it into perspective.

It's the same as the people who were saying Joshua would have beaten any heavyweight in history, based on a win over an ancient Wlad and beating a few pretty ordinary heavyweights.
:TU: As I said before, people were thinking that till AJ met Parker. Also people were thinking the same about Wilder's crazy KO power till he met Fury-and that was a poor version of T.F.
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Not sure I am seeing this deep set of attributes some believe him to have
But he has generational power
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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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This is routine. People have a difficult time comparing active fighters with the legends. The fact is is that Wilder has the highest ko percentage of any hw in history at the same amount of fights. Wilder also has 10 successful title defenses. And this is in a division that people are touting has recently become the best it has been in over 20 years.

It doesn't matter what people think. There will always be critics. But facts are facts. Wilder is making history as one of, if not, the most powerful puncher in HW history.
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apollo creed wrote: 30 Nov 2019, 08:48
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 21:21

Not really, it's just about putting it into perspective.

It's the same as the people who were saying Joshua would have beaten any heavyweight in history, based on a win over an ancient Wlad and beating a few pretty ordinary heavyweights.
:TU: As I said before, people were thinking that till AJ met Parker. Also people were thinking the same about Wilder's crazy KO power till he met Fury-and that was a poor version of T.F.
No one ever put Wilder as one of the ATG HW's. I also think that Fury (he even said himself) was the best Fury we've seen vs Wilder. BTW, Teddy Atlas just came out and said that Wilder is the best puncher he's ever seen. Let's not conflate Wilder's ATG power with his all time standing as a boxer. It's to Fury's credit that he didn't get kayoed. Not a lack of power from Wilder.
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Re: It's crazy how people compare Wilder with Foreman and Shavers! Fat Stiverne went 12 rds vs Wilder !

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apollo creed wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 07:18
RichieKnightmare wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 05:27 "Wilder is not even close to Wladimir Klitschko or even Povetkin in terms of punching power."

:doh:
Look at their resumes. Who beat who and when! :TU:
I think the point is saying Povetkin or klitschko punching harder than wilder is :doh: point here , I can’t recall any fighters say someone hits harder than wilder he does seem to possess freaky power
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