drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 20:19
I think retirement would be a wise move if he can afford to. While he still has one-punch power and had some good moments against Wilder, there’s no need to push one’s luck. He’s about 40 years old now and has suffered two stoppage losses. Adonis Stevenson over stayed his welcome and it nearly took his life...
But Ortiz did not take prolonged punishment.
He took single shots that knocked him out
drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 20:19
I think retirement would be a wise move if he can afford to. While he still has one-punch power and had some good moments against Wilder, there’s no need to push one’s luck. He’s about 40 years old now and has suffered two stoppage losses. Adonis Stevenson over stayed his welcome and it nearly took his life...
But Ortiz did not take prolonged punishment.
He took single shots that knocked him out
True. And I’m not saying he has nothing left. For all we know he may still beat half the guys on that above list. But continuing past age 40 in this game isn’t for everyone and sometimes one bad beating could leave a guy permanately disabled or worse. Not everyone is an Archie Moore or Bernard Hopkins.
But Ortiz did not take prolonged punishment.
He took single shots that knocked him out
True. And I’m not saying he has nothing left. For all we know he may still beat half the guys on that above list. But continuing past age 40 in this game isn’t for everyone and sometimes one bad beating could leave a guy permanately disabled or worse. Not everyone is an Archie Moore or Bernard Hopkins.
True not everyone can go on past 40.
But I am not seeing anything to suggest he can't hang with the rest of the top 10 in the division.
And one thing is clear any fighter on any day can suffer a career or life threatening injury.
It's a tragedy but part of the sport
True. And I’m not saying he has nothing left. For all we know he may still beat half the guys on that above list. But continuing past age 40 in this game isn’t for everyone and sometimes one bad beating could leave a guy permanately disabled or worse. Not everyone is an Archie Moore or Bernard Hopkins.
True not everyone can go on past 40.
But I am not seeing anything to suggest he can't hang with the rest of the top 10 in the division.
And one thing is clear any fighter on any day can suffer a career or life threatening injury.
It's a tragedy but part of the sport
One point that hasn't been brought up is whether Ortiz can win a title still. He must have enough money at this point, so what else would he be fighting for?
True not everyone can go on past 40.
But I am not seeing anything to suggest he can't hang with the rest of the top 10 in the division.
And one thing is clear any fighter on any day can suffer a career or life threatening injury.
It's a tragedy but part of the sport
One point that hasn't been brought up is whether Ortiz can win a title still. He must have enough money at this point, so what else would he be fighting for?
Could be the case and I’m sure he’d very much like to win a title. But he’s already had two shots at wilder, so that isn’t happening again. The winner of the Ruiz - Joshua fight will have other opponents lined up. Ortiz would be forced to play the waiting game and have to fight other rising contenders and prospects to keep himself in the running. Just not sure it’s in the cards for him anymore
oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 20:32
One point that hasn't been brought up is whether Ortiz can win a title still. He must have enough money at this point, so what else would he be fighting for?
Could be the case and I’m sure he’d very much like to win a title. But he’s already had two shots at wilder, so that isn’t happening again. The winner of the Ruiz - Joshua fight will have other opponents lined up. Ortiz would be forced to play the waiting game and have to fight other rising contenders and prospects to keep himself in the running. Just not sure it’s in the cards for him anymore
I don't think it is either. So why else fight if he doesn't need the dough. He has a beautiful family and as you said, he has his health. Why risk it. Athletes always think they have one more great game/fight/etc.
tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 20:23
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I think retirement would be a wise move if he can afford to. While he still has one-punch power and had some good moments against Wilder, there’s no need to push one’s luck. He’s about 40 years old now and has suffered two stoppage losses. Adonis Stevenson over stayed his welcome and it nearly took his life...
But Ortiz did not take prolonged punishment.
He took single shots that knocked him out
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Could be the case and I’m sure he’d very much like to win a title. But he’s already had two shots at wilder, so that isn’t happening again. The winner of the Ruiz - Joshua fight will have other opponents lined up. Ortiz would be forced to play the waiting game and have to fight other rising contenders and prospects to keep himself in the running. Just not sure it’s in the cards for him anymore
I don't think it is either. So why else fight if he doesn't need the dough. He has a beautiful family and as you said, he has his health. Why risk it. Athletes always think they have one more great game/fight/etc.
True not everyone can go on past 40.
But I am not seeing anything to suggest he can't hang with the rest of the top 10 in the division.
And one thing is clear any fighter on any day can suffer a career or life threatening injury.
It's a tragedy but part of the sport
One point that hasn't been brought up is whether Ortiz can win a title still. He must have enough money at this point, so what else would he be fighting for?
Well, having money doesn't stop people from wanting more of it!
Ortiz seems like he wants a title which is fair enough, but his biggest problem now is his ranking and risk vs reward factor in a division that chooses money over legacy.
Ortiz may be aging but he Is still a skilled guy who would give many current top 20 heavyweights problems.
You don't want guys hanging on too long once they reach a certain age.
Hopefully he's happy with what he's made and has enough to get out and keep his family provided for.
I don't see him getting another opportunity at a world title as he's in the who needs you club really. I genuinely believe Wilder when he says he wanted Ortiz to get a good payday
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 13:47
He is a true philanthropist
That's not what I said.
He didn't have to fight Ortiz again though.
Hey ewey, who did the Klits cherrypick for each other based on style? Since you said it was an ongoing thing. I'm just curious based on what? Cuz I was looking over their records and can't really see it myself tbh
Hey ewey, who did the Klits cherrypick for each other based on style? Since you said it was an ongoing thing. I'm just curious based on what? Cuz I was looking over their records and can't really see it myself tbh
Stick to Joshua cheerleading and trolling. That's the two things you are best at.
Hey ewey, who did the Klits cherrypick for each other based on style? Since you said it was an ongoing thing. I'm just curious based on what? Cuz I was looking over their records and can't really see it myself tbh
Stick to Joshua cheerleading and trolling. That's the two things you are best at.
This has nothing to do with either, can you not manage an answer?
drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 20:19
I think retirement would be a wise move if he can afford to. While he still has one-punch power and had some good moments against Wilder, there’s no need to push one’s luck. He’s about 40 years old now and has suffered two stoppage losses. Adonis Stevenson over stayed his welcome and it nearly took his life...
Don't think he has 1 shot power. Offensively he's not got the same hitting force as a Wilder or AJ and we can see that with a guy like Kauffman going into 10 or Scott going 12. He's strong and a sound boxer with good technique, though rather plodding and one-paced .
He is still among the better HWs and hasn't taken that much punishment. Pat Day wasn't 40, it can happen to anyone in the ring.
drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2019, 20:19
I think retirement would be a wise move if he can afford to. While he still has one-punch power and had some good moments against Wilder, there’s no need to push one’s luck. He’s about 40 years old now and has suffered two stoppage losses. Adonis Stevenson over stayed his welcome and it nearly took his life...
Don't think he has 1 shot power. Offensively he's not got the same hitting force as a Wilder or AJ and we can see that with a guy like Kauffman going into 10 or Scott going 12. He's strong and a sound boxer with good technique, though rather plodding and one-paced .
He is still among the better HWs and hasn't taken that much punishment. Pat Day wasn't 40, it can happen to anyone in the ring.
Well ultimately it’s neither of our decision so....