Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua II - 7 December 2019

[oogiebe]

If AJ gets hurt and survives, that'll give him the confidence to win the fight. Just thinking about that. He'll need that to prove to himself that he can do it.

[KiwiRider]

If AJ gets hurt and survives, that'll give him the confidence to win the fight. Just thinking about that. He'll need that to prove to himself that he can do it.

I'm not sure he is going to risk much Oggie.
He dosent need a war.
Just slam his power jab at Ruiz's chubby little face, with the odd right hand, all at range.

[oogiebe]

If AJ gets hurt and survives, that'll give him the confidence to win the fight. Just thinking about that. He'll need that to prove to himself that he can do it.

I'm not sure he is going to risk much Oggie.
He dosent need a war.
Just slam his power jab at Ruiz's chubby little face, with the odd right hand, all at range.

If it were me. I'd have something to prove to myself and playing a hit and run and grab fight wouldn't ease my self doubts.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think the worry for Joshua's team going into the rematch has to be the hand speed of Ruiz. He could never get a handle of it and came off 2nd best in so many exchanges even ones he initiated.
The big question is whether it was the after effects of the concussive knockdown and he wasn't fully there or if he's unable to deal with it. If the going gets tough and Ruiz gets chances to trade in close does Joshua have the capabilities to ride the storm or get flashbacks to June 1....

Yeh. Every time Joshua threw a punch, Ruiz came back with 3-4 punch combos.

[kbackup408]

Not much you can do when Ruiz starts digging the body, I play different scenarios in my head but come to different outcomes

How are the betting lines looking, much value on AJ points?

[emallini]

That article is embarrassing.

Embarrassing or not one of these guys has been giving Joshua some trouble.

Its sparring

[kbackup408]

Embarrassing or not one of these guys has been giving Joshua some trouble.

Its sparring

always had the impression heavyweights will be doing a lot of technical sparring - having heavy spars every fight camp will get you talking like a foreman grill

[oogiebe]

Its sparring

always had the impression heavyweights will be doing a lot of technical sparring - having heavy spars every fight camp will get you talking like a foreman grill

Contrary to that I think AJ has done far too little proper sparring. He's been known to do predominantly technical sparring. I think it's good he's sparring hard this camp.

[Coco]

If AJ gets hurt and survives, that'll give him the confidence to win the fight. Just thinking about that. He'll need that to prove to himself that he can do it.

I'm not sure he is going to risk much Oggie.
He dosent need a war.
Just slam his power jab at Ruiz's chubby little face, with the odd right hand, all at range.

Exactly that.
The Ruiz combinations were non existent at the start of the fight. When a dazed AJ started pawing out single jabs Ruiz took advantage.
If AJ doesn't get done by single shots he will stand tall, double up the power jab, head and body and then bring the right hand into play. It will be more like Lewis v Rahman 2

[Ricky]

I'm not sure he is going to risk much Oggie.
He dosent need a war.
Just slam his power jab at Ruiz's chubby little face, with the odd right hand, all at range.

Exactly that.
The Ruiz combinations were non existent at the start of the fight. When a dazed AJ started pawing out single jabs Ruiz took advantage.
If AJ doesn't get done by single shots he will stand tall, double up the power jab, head and body and then bring the right hand into play. It will be more like Lewis v Rahman 2

You think AJ is going to turn into Holmes in the space of 1 fight? His jab stinks and can't fight going backwards.

[MightyWarrior]

Parker warned before the first fight that the hardest he’d ever been hit was by Ruiz, so that’s at least 2 top heavies who see him as a banger.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Not much you can do when Ruiz starts digging the body, I play different scenarios in my head but come to different outcomes

How are the betting lines looking, much value on AJ points?

Yes. 4/1 points. If need be, I’ll remind everyone on every page of this thread

[handsofstone]

Im really struggling to predict the winner here, I still think Joshua is the better boxer here but Ruiz done a number on him really despite getting dropped fairly heavy himself before finding that lottery left hook to wobble Joshua and effectively beat him. Joshua really struggled to deal with the handspeed of Ruiz and couldn't help but get clipped and hurt, I still think everything after the first knockdown was the result of that initial left hook, Joshua couldn't seem to shake ii off, he tried to take a few rounds off like he did when Klitschko dropped him and he was doing alright until Ruiz put him down again, I don't think Joshua quit in the fight, his body language might have been wanting him to get out of there but he said he wanted to continue so not a quit it my book, Duran, Walters, Rigo and Golota were quit jobs


Joshua looks like he's shedded a lot of muscle here so built for speed and movement, he's maybe not the most natural boxer around but he's switched on and seems to me from how he conducts himself that he'll try to learn from his mistakes, I think he might have to try box the fight he did against Parker, he needs a better jab than he had last time, I remember the punch stats favoured AJ last time on account of the jab although it didn't take into account he was pawing with it and it was pretty poor in all honesty, he needs a strong jab to keep Ruiz at bay and on the outside from getting his quick combinations off where he's most dangerous

People saying Joshua will be in better shape this time forgetting so will Ruiz who only had a couple weeks to prepare last time so I give him a big chance here, also the fact that this time he knows he can stop Joshua will bring confidence , I'm gonna go with Joshua on points though, I think he'll box to a plan, stay switched on, make it boring but he's gonna have to listen to Rob McCracken this time especially if theres any drama, Joshua mentally strong though IMO, plenty people think the oppsosite but the fact he's took the immediate rematch in a foreign country suggests otherwise not to mention the fact he's fought his whole career under massive pressure, I think he gets far too much undue stick, I want Joshua to win I think its better for the Heavyweight division but if Ruiz does the double then some serious revaluating needs to be done from AJ but nah I think he wins fairly wide on points

[Datsue]

Im really struggling to predict the winner here, I still think Joshua is the better boxer here but Ruiz done a number on him really despite getting dropped fairly heavy himself before finding that lottery left hook to wobble Joshua and effectively beat him. Joshua really struggled to deal with the handspeed of Ruiz and couldn't help but get clipped and hurt, I still think everything after the first knockdown was the result of that initial left hook, Joshua couldn't seem to shake ii off, he tried to take a few rounds off like he did when Klitschko dropped him and he was doing alright until Ruiz put him down again, I don't think Joshua quit in the fight, his body language might have been wanting him to get out of there but he said he wanted to continue so not a quit it my book, Duran, Walters, Rigo and Golota were quit jobs


Joshua looks like he's shedded a lot of muscle here so built for speed and movement, he's maybe not the most natural boxer around but he's switched on and seems to me from how he conducts himself that he'll try to learn from his mistakes, I think he might have to try box the fight he did against Parker, he needs a better jab than he had last time, I remember the punch stats favoured AJ last time on account of the jab although it didn't take into account he was pawing with it and it was pretty poor in all honesty, he needs a strong jab to keep Ruiz at bay and on the outside from getting his quick combinations off where he's most dangerous

People saying Joshua will be in better shape this time forgetting so will Ruiz who only had a couple weeks to prepare last time so I give him a big chance here, also the fact that this time he knows he can stop Joshua will bring confidence , I'm gonna go with Joshua on points though, I think he'll box to a plan, stay switched on, make it boring but he's gonna have to listen to Rob McCracken this time especially if theres any drama, Joshua mentally strong though IMO, plenty people think the oppsosite but the fact he's took the immediate rematch in a foreign country suggests otherwise not to mention the fact he's fought his whole career under massive pressure, I think he gets far too much undue stick, I want Joshua to win I think its better for the Heavyweight division but if Ruiz does the double then some serious revaluating needs to be done from AJ but nah I think he wins fairly wide on points

I don't see the out-of-the-blue left hook landing in just that place which took Joshua's legs away last time. There's a chance he gets caught in the middle of a combination, true, but I think Joshua wins on points. I think if Ruiz catches him on the chin he'll rattle & roll him but it won't make him flop about all over the canvas like the side-of-the-head shot did, IMO & I can see Joshua hanging on for dear life & getting back on the plan.

Ruiz definitely getting over-rated based off of the original match—it's like all the other times he's struggled or looked f(l)at never happened, now.

[dbf]

Joshua to win big this time. I think Ruiz may have some success to the body and will let his hands go when AJ is throwing but I think Joshua will stop him at some point. A lot riding on this for AJ and I don't believe Ruiz is as good as is being made out.

[dve3333]

If the Matchroom chosen ref Luis Pabon is as lenient as he was with Wlads holding and leaning when he was in against Povetkin then we could be in for a night of jab and grab from Joshua. The points win is a decent bet if he can execute the gameplan and stay out of trouble

[Deserter]

Apologies in advance as I haven't read through the entire thread so may be reiterating what others have already stated, but I while I can appreciate you can make a case for either boxer, I'm firmly in the camp of Joshua regaining the title with a dull UD - I think he'll adopt a safety-first approach and leverage his superior reach and size to negate Ruiz's offense while racking up the rounds in a close and unspectacular fashion. I just find it hard to make a case for Ruiz having the smarts to set traps for Joshua and wouldn't be surprised is his new-found fame has been detrimental to his prep and mental focus as well.

[Ruthless-RKO]

5,000 fans from UK will be attending at least.

[Boxerbeetle]

Joshua definitely needs to employ the double jab for this one

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[danconnollyeire]

How to perfectly use the jab to take away your opponents advantages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcIAq8lq36c

Obviously AJ is no Lennox Lewis

[Seamus]

Ruiz clearly got the better of AJ trading on the inside because his punches were faster and shorter. I tend to believe alot of the negative things we've all heard about Joshua now, based upon the way he reacted when Ruiz took over the bout. I didn't see a man who believes in his heart, "You want my title you're going to have to kill me to take it", AJ's expression when the referee declared him champion no more says a lot about his current mindset.

[Ruthless-RKO]