Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 02 Dec 2019, 15:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 05:30
oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Nov 2019, 17:00
I'm hearing Ruiz is closer to 260 for the fight.
I'd be pleased with that. He has recently and regularly stated that he didn't want to lose much weight for the rematch, with his target weight loss being 10lbs.

YEah, apparently, Ruiz ballooned to almost 290 after the AJ fight. So all the weight loss that was bandied about was from that.

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 03 Dec 2019, 06:45

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 03 Dec 2019, 06:49

I don’t really care who wins, but whenever I "have no horse in a race"; I usually support the underdog, which in this instance is once again Andy Ruiz Jr.

My opinion on the outcome of this fight keeps flip-flopping and I have no doubt it’ll change again by fight night, but the overwhelming amount of media pundits have currently persuaded me to expect AJ to gain revenge over Ruiz Jr., even though this goes against my gut instinct.

One thing is for sure though, if Anthony Joshua genuinely believes that Andy Ruiz Jr. simply managed to land a lottery ticket winning shot during the third round, then this would be a monumental mistake.

Here's a video of AJ stating the following about Ruiz Jr.: “he ain't that skillful... he beat me with a lucky punch, a punch that was sent from the gods:”

Andy Ruiz Jr’s shots connected on Anthony Joshua’s chin during the second round and they hurt the Brit. Every time AJ over-committed with the right hand, he was countered by a barrage of powerful counter-hooks thrown by the Mexican-American. This happened time-and-time again.

One of the most significant things I noticed during the first Joshua-Ruiz Jr. fight, was AJ’s inability or flat-refusal to abide by Robert McCracken’s excellent orders. This is something that should not be ignored, because the Brit's game plan for the fight was already perfect, except for the fact that Joshua was unable to execute it.

For sure, AJ possesses the sort of one-punch knock-out blow capable of stopping any opponent very early, which means it's entirely possible that he'll beat Andy Ruiz Jr. within a few rounds, but if the outcome of their rematch is determined on pure pugilistic skills, then Andy Ruiz Jr. gains another victory, barring any dodgy judges’ scorecards.

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 03 Dec 2019, 07:23

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/a ... eam/136390

PUGLET · Post by **PUGLET** » 03 Dec 2019, 15:58

I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

kbackup408 · Post by **kbackup408** » 03 Dec 2019, 17:07

PUGLET wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 15:58 I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

go for it mate, need good boxing content getting tired of the same repetitive interviews that are being uploaded

lazboy · Post by **lazboy** » 03 Dec 2019, 18:09

PUGLET wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 15:58 I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

I’d watch your Chanel but it rests on this being somewhat near to what happens. What you’re saying seems reasonable though. Interesting stuff.

Paci · Post by **Paci** » 03 Dec 2019, 20:18

Good, no need to wake up early in the morning for this one.

Still going with AJ, 50/50 really.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 04 Dec 2019, 03:23

Last interview I saw Joshua in ...
He mentioned boxers only getting 30% and it's not about the man in the office it's about me, suggests he may carry some bad feeling toward someone.
Joshua dealt with it well but looked uncomfortable, it wasn't like the questions weren't predictable.
Who knows, he probably conducted 25 of the same interviews previously and had to sit through the bleak personality in front of him and go through the motions.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 04 Dec 2019, 05:33

Last interview I saw Ruiz in ...
More focused on going rounds was my impression.
He's been on a global tour for this fight and even though his weight is cool the whole promotion of it might be weighing on his mind.
Weigh in Friday.

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 04 Dec 2019, 08:30

Undercard

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 04 Dec 2019, 08:31

Main event

snake33 · Post by **snake33** » 04 Dec 2019, 16:11

There seems to be a lot of drama going around.
Does two rounds suddenly make Joshua a bum ?
He was the greatest thing since sliced toast and then he had a bad night.
Parker beat Ruiz, Joshua beat Parker, Ruiz beat Joshua, sooooo
Unless Joshua is f*cked in the head, he will probably win.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 04 Dec 2019, 17:17

snake33 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 16:11 There seems to be a lot of drama going around.
Does two rounds suddenly make Joshua a bum ?
He was the greatest thing since sliced toast and then he had a bad night.
Parker beat Ruiz, Joshua beat Parker, Ruiz beat Joshua, sooooo
Unless Joshua is f*cked in the head, he will probably win.

He wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread to all fans, and maybe not most. He's far from shite, that's for sure.

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 04 Dec 2019, 17:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 17:17 He wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread to all fans, and maybe not most. He's far from shite, that's for sure.

He was to HW fans for a time at least.
Fury was out after a stinker win against Wlad.
Wilder was trolling the railyards for tomato cans.
And Joshua was knocking out decent opposition, raking in massive crowds, trying to unify. Then he put a definitive end to the Klitschko era.

Around that time he was the best thing since sliced bread to HW fans at least.
Anyhow, I don't mind unsliced bread, at least you can vary your slice thickness depending on purpose.

oogiebe · Post by **oogiebe** » 04 Dec 2019, 17:42

KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 17:40
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 17:17 He wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread to all fans, and maybe not most. He's far from shite, that's for sure.
He was to HW fans for a time at least.
Fury was out after a stinker win against Wlad.
Wilder was trolling the railyards for tomato cans.
And Joshua was knocking out decent opposition, raking in massive crowds, trying to unify. Then he put a definitive end to the Klitschko era. Around that time he was the best thing since sliced bread to HW fans at least.
Anyhow, I don't mind unsloced bread, at least you can vary your slice thickness depending on purpose.

I said not all fans. Including HW fans. UK fans yes. The rest of the world was 50/50.
LOL on bread preferance!

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 04 Dec 2019, 17:52

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 17:42
KiwiRider wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 17:40
He was to HW fans for a time at least.
Fury was out after a stinker win against Wlad.
Wilder was trolling the railyards for tomato cans.
And Joshua was knocking out decent opposition, raking in massive crowds, trying to unify. Then he put a definitive end to the Klitschko era. Around that time he was the best thing since sliced bread to HW fans at least.
Anyhow, I don't mind unsloced bread, at least you can vary your slice thickness depending on purpose.
I said not all fans. Including HW fans. UK fans yes. The rest of the world was 50/50.
LOL on bread preferance!

Im talking about from splattering Martin, to FOTY with Wlad.
If that wasn't the best thing since sliced bread, then you don't remember the Klitchco era

I betting 98% of boxing fans watchd that fight with Wlad or have since. Heck, I have to think back to Lewis since I saw a HW fight so entertaining.
Anyhow, the biggest drawback of unsliced bread is if you have teenagers. The buggers can slice up 3/4rs of a loaf to make 2 sandwiches

margaret thatcher · Post by **margaret thatcher** » 04 Dec 2019, 19:12

UK fans had lots of doubts and backlash on him too, at least the hardcore fans. Any time a fighter gets that big they are bound to get it

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 05 Dec 2019, 06:36

PUGLET wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 15:58 I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

Yeah, don’t listen to this guy ^^^

I would advise you don’t give up your day job.

Quantrax · Post by **Quantrax** » 05 Dec 2019, 10:09

A lot of UK fans also fancied Fury over AJ, especially as AJ got more and more muscular. I don't think there's ever been a time when AJ was thought of as Superman.

margaret thatcher · Post by **margaret thatcher** » 05 Dec 2019, 11:24

Quantrax wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 10:09 A lot of UK fans also fancied Fury over AJ, especially as AJ got more and more muscular. I don't think there's ever been a time when AJ was thought of as Superman.

Ya, it's just something people uninformed of the UK scene say when they obviously have no clue

Ruthless-RKO · Post by **Ruthless-RKO** » 05 Dec 2019, 18:27

Poll now open if anyone has changed their minds

snake33 · Post by **snake33** » 05 Dec 2019, 19:28

I just saw an interview where Ruiz was talking about a trilogy.
There is only a trilogy if he loses.
Lack of confidence or does he get another big payday if he blows one for the gipper.

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