Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua II - 7 December 2019

[MightyWarrior]

Fookin ell, it’s buster Douglas II

[Tuan_Jim]

Well, Andy Ruiz had the exact same fearless demeanour and swagger he had last time. However, 283 with a full camp really is obscene. My feeling was that while Buster Douglas was an individual and his downfall predictable, Andy Ruiz representing something bigger with his Mexican heritage, and being the first ever Mexican heavyweight champ, would take his first defence more seriously. As it is, this weight makes it seem as if he is dangerously overconfident.

[kbackup408]

I am not sure what the logic behind coming this heavy was for Ruiz - I am leaning towards an AJ win now!

[MarkMcBurney]

Ruiz early or Joshua late. Really is that simple now then. Would still say I fancy Ruiz in the first half of the fight.

[Tuan_Jim]

The stars are aligning for Anthony Joshua!

Opponent too fat to get off, friendly referee who will allow the star fighter to hold all night. There must be a mad rush for Joshua points now?

[MightyWarrior]

That video I posted yesterday, he was eating pizzas tacos, moaning about having to go to the gym, saying he just wanted to get it over with, shopping...buying cars…

AJ better win this, it’s an embarrassment to have a fat guy like this is as heavyweight champion, makes the sport look a laughing stock to be honest... much as I like him

[Controversial]

Ruiz hasn't been that heavy since his first ever two pro fights back in 2009

[Ezzard]

Im really struggling to predict the winner here, I still think Joshua is the better boxer here but Ruiz done a number on him really despite getting dropped fairly heavy himself before finding that lottery left hook to wobble Joshua and effectively beat him. Joshua really struggled to deal with the handspeed of Ruiz and couldn't help but get clipped and hurt, I still think everything after the first knockdown was the result of that initial left hook, Joshua couldn't seem to shake ii off, he tried to take a few rounds off like he did when Klitschko dropped him and he was doing alright until Ruiz put him down again, I don't think Joshua quit in the fight, his body language might have been wanting him to get out of there but he said he wanted to continue so not a quit it my book, Duran, Walters, Rigo and Golota were quit jobs


Joshua looks like he's shedded a lot of muscle here so built for speed and movement, he's maybe not the most natural boxer around but he's switched on and seems to me from how he conducts himself that he'll try to learn from his mistakes, I think he might have to try box the fight he did against Parker, he needs a better jab than he had last time, I remember the punch stats favoured AJ last time on account of the jab although it didn't take into account he was pawing with it and it was pretty poor in all honesty, he needs a strong jab to keep Ruiz at bay and on the outside from getting his quick combinations off where he's most dangerous

People saying Joshua will be in better shape this time forgetting so will Ruiz who only had a couple weeks to prepare last time so I give him a big chance here, also the fact that this time he knows he can stop Joshua will bring confidence , I'm gonna go with Joshua on points though, I think he'll box to a plan, stay switched on, make it boring but he's gonna have to listen to Rob McCracken this time especially if theres any drama, Joshua mentally strong though IMO, plenty people think the oppsosite but the fact he's took the immediate rematch in a foreign country suggests otherwise not to mention the fact he's fought his whole career under massive pressure, I think he gets far too much undue stick, I want Joshua to win I think its better for the Heavyweight division but if Ruiz does the double then some serious revaluating needs to be done from AJ but nah I think he wins fairly wide on points

I don't see the out-of-the-blue left hook landing in just that place which took Joshua's legs away last time. There's a chance he gets caught in the middle of a combination, true, but I think Joshua wins on points. I think if Ruiz catches him on the chin he'll rattle & roll him but it won't make him flop about all over the canvas like the side-of-the-head shot did, IMO & I can see Joshua hanging on for dear life & getting back on the plan.

Ruiz definitely getting over-rated based off of the original match—it's like all the other times he's struggled or looked f(l)at never happened, now.

I really do agree with you both here.

I think that early shot by Ruiz won him the fight and Joshua never recovered.

My mind goes to Duran-Leonard I where the punch Duran landed in the 2nd round left Leonard in a daze. Leoanrd admitted it took 4-5 rounds to shake it off and by that point he was massively behind on the cards and pretty much beaten up.

I also think back to Froch-Groves I. Groves' right hand in the first had Froch messed up for a long time.

Duran and Groves could not land a smiliar punch early on in the sequels and ended up on the wrong end of the rematch.

It might be that Ruiz gets inside Joshua's reach again and chops him up...but it might be that he can't land a shot that daze's Joshua to the same extent and so he finds a different beast in front of him.

[danconnollyeire]

AJ needs to get on his bike tomorrow. Ruiz aint moving from the middle of the ring lol

[polecateddy]

Joshua in 10 or 11. Geez how much comfort eating did Ruiz do celebrating? Deserves to ger punished now for lack of professionalism.

[MightyWarrior]

Ruiz trainer must be TEARING HIS HAIR OUT

[bigjack]

Ruiz hasn't been that heavy since his first ever two pro fights back in 2009

He's a stone lighter than his debut.

[dbf]

Weights in his pockets or just lack of dedication?

[kbackup408]

Weights in his pockets or just lack of dedication?

that was funny tbh, imagine sticking 5 snickers in each pocket

[Controversial]

Ruiz hasn't been that heavy since his first ever two pro fights back in 2009

He's a stone lighter than his debut.

According to boxrec he was 297lb in his debut and 292lb in his second fight, he's been lighter than 283 ever since, went as low as 246 in one fight.

[Tuan_Jim]

Weights in his pockets or just lack of dedication?

I was looking out for that, the old Herbie Hide trick (to make him seem like a heavy) and Danny Williams trick (to have big record-setting super-heavyweight digits on the scales). Andy was wearing tight tracksuit bottoms and there didn't seem anywhere on his person that he could hide weights. He genuinely looked fat, even by his standards.

[tobyh5]

The Buster Douglas comparisions are complete. That was embarrassing. No hunger for the fight, ambition achieved, get the big money and get out.

And then, after AJ creams him, we will need to listen to the AJ fans saying how great he is and refusing to listen to any thoughts that he may have won because Ruiz did not turn up the second time. Great. Time to turn off Twitter

[bigjack]

He's a stone lighter than his debut.

According to boxrec he was 297lb in his debut and 292lb in his second fight, he's been lighter than 283 ever since, went as low as 246 in one fight.

Yeh that's right,i read it wrong,maybe he feels comfortable and sees no reason to lose the weight

[Ezzard]

Andy was wearing tight tracksuit bottoms...

To be fair any size tracksuit bottoms would look tight at that weight.

[Tuan_Jim]

Interesting how Joshua has lost a stone and Ruiz gained one since New York. Anyone know what a soul weighs?

[kbackup408]

Interesting how Joshua has lost a stone and Ruiz gained one since New York. Anyone know what a soul weighs?

a soul or stone mate?

[Tuan_Jim]

Interesting how Joshua has lost a stone and Ruiz gained one since New York. Anyone know what a soul weighs?

a soul or stone mate?

A soul!

[Ezzard]

If AJ loses again I really hope he doesn't retire.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Come on guys, he had all his clothes on.. He's done this on purpose, to get people talking, give AJ some confidence etc..

How much would he have weighed had he taken off his clothes.??

[Tuan_Jim]

Come on guys, he had all his clothes on.. He's done this on purpose, to get people talking, give AJ some confidence etc..

How much would he have weighed had he taken off his clothes.??

He was wearing a sombrero, a vest and tight tracksuit bottoms. What would all that weigh on a scale? A pound? Two? He's come in at over 20 stone.