Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Anthony Joshua 2 - December 7, 2019

[Contendeh]

Let's take a trip back in time:
Buster Douglas beats Tyson and then eats everything on the planet,
what happens next................ ?
Ruiz beats Joshua and eats everything else on the planet, what happens
next................... ?

For me, the outcome of Ruiz v Joshua seems as telegraphed as that uppercut Buster threw at Holyfield back in the day.

[KiwiRider]

Ruiz looked OK from what I could see.
About the same shape really, maybe a little bigger in the shoulders.
I think it's a bit of mind games.
It's pretty easy to have weight in the hat, shoes, leg weights, pockets etc. Who knows.
Guess we will have to wait until just before the bell to really see.

[Cyclops]

I've read about boxers weighing in with weights in their pockets, and when Arreola weighed in against Vitali he had a weighted vest on, but it was a goof and he took it off and re-weighed.

I think it's gamesmanship.

[margaret thatcher]

I think people are underestimating how much of a slob he is and has been known to be in the past. To me it's a lot simpler and likely an explanation that he just porked out after hitting it big. His trainer also said he gained weight after the fight. Putting weight in his hat and pockets and stuff to give AJ more confidence? Just seems weird...

[KiwiRider]

I think people are underestimating how much of a slob he is and has been known to be in the past. To me it's a lot simpler and likely an explanation that he just porked out after hitting it big. His trainer also said he gained weight after the fight. Putting weight in his hat and pockets and stuff to give AJ more confidence? Just seems weird...

I can see it. He is a fun guy, why not have a laugh?
As in; everybody thinks I'm a fat slob, why not make myself seem fatter.
I have no doubt he has been training hard. If there is any real extra weight- it's muscle.

[margaret thatcher]

His trainer said he got significantly heavier after the first fight and was going to lose weight, so he obviously ate hard enough to blow up

A weighted sombrero

[margaret thatcher]

I'll admit, I still dream of Wilder vs Josh for all the belts, my heart better not be crushed tomorrow

[KiwiRider]

His trainer said he got significantly heavier after the first fight and was going to lose weight, so he obviously ate hard enough to blow up

A weighted sombrero

Muscle is heavier than fat, especially dense muscle from hard training. He could realistically be the same shape and weigh 280.
And maybe he is carrying hidden weights, it's not as if it hasn't been done before in the division's past.

[margaret thatcher]

It takes a hell of a lot of work to gain pounds of muscle, no chance he did all that weight in muscle over a couple of months, on a boxers training regiment. Come on people, he is a well known slob who has been over 300 before, him beating AJ has caused a lot of amnesia

[Thomastearns]

I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

Good analytical forecast. Many good points, esp Joshua's lack of experience compared to the veteran Ruiz and the glib opinions of ex-fighters and disinterested coaches.

Yep, it difficult to argue with your forecast but as a Joshua fan I've got to try, whilst cursing that bastard Miller for putting Joshua in this career ending do or die situation.

Whatever anyone says, there was no getting away from an immediate rematch. Anthony Joshua is still the A side and Anthony Joshua is always dangerous.

With better sparring prep and being the A side in Saudi Anthony Joshua must still have a 40% chance of being successful - at the very least.

Anyway, seeing as how power didn't work last time, this time Joshua has to try mobility. Ruiz has by far the stronger chin, witness that haymaker he took AFTER getting up from the knockdown, but Joshua will have superior mobility.

Basically a repeat of his fight with Parker is called for, hence the same weight loss. Ruiz moves well for a 'big lad' but can he keep up and catch a slicker Joshua over 12 rounds?

For Joshua to win he needs to do a 21st century reenactment of Liston v Clay.

Might as we think big and stick to the plan this time. The days of AJ planning DURING his fights are well and truly over now as Ruiz demonstrated. You can't bloody plan anything when your head is spinning.

[margaret thatcher]

Not sure Ruiz is a veteran, he has the AJ fight, a loss to Parker, and the rest is trash.

[ewenhay]

I picked Ruiz in the first fight..... he’s gonna win by KNOCKOUT again. Simply put, regardless of athletic talent or gifts, RUIZ is the superior fighter and boxer. In terms of experience and ring craft, AJ is essentially a novice in comparison to Ruiz. ONLY in the heavyweight division does this type of scenario take place.... Do you think that after less than 20 amateur fights does AJ become a National champion, let alone an Olympic Gold medallist in any division other than Heavyweight?.... NOT A FREAKING CHANCE.
I’m NOT saying that AJ wasn’t a decent, exceptionally strong athlete that “played” very well at “BOXING”. Now that he’s been knocked out and essentially quit.... he has ZERO CHANCE. Further to which, he has slimmed down and done body weight calisthenics to COMPLETELY eliminate the one advantage he had... which was EXPLOSIVE, natural athletic power, which translated to a “heavy handed” kind of knockout power. Something which only translates to KO power in the heavyweight division. Lighter weight fighters have to cut weight and therefore get in better shape and have more reliable chins than heavyweights, (at least at the elite levels of the sport.)
So, essentially, AJ’s coaches have listened to the criticisms of boxing media and pundits... and done EXACTLY the opposite of what they needed to do to in order for him to have a chance at winning the rematch. As a result, AJ will be slimmer, less powerful AND SLOWER as a result of his “refined” strength and conditioning work. All of this was done in terms of them hoping that he either wouldn’t gas or would suddenly have some natural ability to suddenly not be as robotic or actually have some natural flow to his punches or “actual” natural fighting ability. Only a time machine creates that scenario.
As soon as Ruiz feels how less strong and slower AJ feels to him.... he’s gonna walk him down and walk right through him, AJ is going to take a career-ending beating and be knocked out in rounds 5 or 6. It’s gonna be UGLY.... you heard it here first. Just like last time.

Normally, I would’ve kept my analysis to myself (cuz i’m trying to move up the PTBF scoreboard), but I’m STRONGLY considering starting a YouTube channel with fight predictions and analysis and working at conveying my thoughts without being too overly offensive. So tired of listening to semi brain-dead Mayweathers and punch drunk ex-fighters give insights and predictions about fights. If you pay attention, there are 3/4 fairly well-respected coaches whom ARE ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS MIND-BOGGLNG.

Good analytical forecast. Many good points, esp Joshua's lack of experience compared to the veteran Ruiz and the glib opinions of ex-fighters and disinterested coaches.

Yep, it difficult to argue with your forecast but as a Joshua fan I've got to try, whilst cursing that bastard Miller for putting Joshua in this career ending do or die situation.

Whatever anyone says, there was no getting away from an immediate rematch. Anthony Joshua is still the A side and Anthony Joshua is always dangerous.

With better sparring prep and being the A side in Saudi Anthony Joshua must still have a 40% chance of being successful - at the very least.

Anyway, seeing as how power didn't work last time, this time Joshua has to try mobility. Ruiz has by far the stronger chin, witness that haymaker he took AFTER getting up from the knockdown, but Joshua will have superior mobility.

Basically a repeat of his fight with Parker is called for, hence the same weight loss. Ruiz moves well for a 'big lad' but can he keep up and catch a slicker Joshua over 12 rounds?

For Joshua to win he needs to do a 21st century reenactment of Liston v Clay.

Might as we think big and stick to the plan this time. The days of AJ planning DURING his fights are well and truly over now as Ruiz demonstrated. You can't bloody plan anything when your head is spinning.

Yeah but how is Joshua going to be able to box like a young Ali when he doesn't have the speed or the skills to do that. As well as being 8 or 9 years older than that Ali

[boxing_rocks]

His trainer said he got significantly heavier after the first fight and was going to lose weight, so he obviously ate hard enough to blow up

A weighted sombrero

He could realistically be the same shape and weigh 280.

Yeah, he is still the same shape -- ROUND.

[margaret thatcher]

Good analytical forecast. Many good points, esp Joshua's lack of experience compared to the veteran Ruiz and the glib opinions of ex-fighters and disinterested coaches.

Yep, it difficult to argue with your forecast but as a Joshua fan I've got to try, whilst cursing that bastard Miller for putting Joshua in this career ending do or die situation.

Whatever anyone says, there was no getting away from an immediate rematch. Anthony Joshua is still the A side and Anthony Joshua is always dangerous.

With better sparring prep and being the A side in Saudi Anthony Joshua must still have a 40% chance of being successful - at the very least.

Anyway, seeing as how power didn't work last time, this time Joshua has to try mobility. Ruiz has by far the stronger chin, witness that haymaker he took AFTER getting up from the knockdown, but Joshua will have superior mobility.

Basically a repeat of his fight with Parker is called for, hence the same weight loss. Ruiz moves well for a 'big lad' but can he keep up and catch a slicker Joshua over 12 rounds?

For Joshua to win he needs to do a 21st century reenactment of Liston v Clay.

Might as we think big and stick to the plan this time. The days of AJ planning DURING his fights are well and truly over now as Ruiz demonstrated. You can't bloody plan anything when your head is spinning.

Yeah but how is Joshua going to be able to box like a young Ali when he doesn't have the speed or the skills to do that. As well as being 8 or 9 years older than that Ali

Hey Ewey, if Josh wins he'll be a 2x champ

[ewenhay]

Yeah but how is Joshua going to be able to box like a young Ali when he doesn't have the speed or the skills to do that. As well as being 8 or 9 years older than that Ali

Hey Ewey, if Josh wins he'll be a 2x champ

Yeah I can see from your posting pattern that you're getting really excited at the prospect, especially since the weigh in.

[adislav123]

15 pounds more than in june.

minus shirt, chain, pants, hat, was he wearing shoes?

makes at most 10 pounds that he comes in heavier. more like 3 maybe 4 kilogramm. that's nothing

knowing he had a longer camp than before the june fight. he surely didn't loose any rather gained a couple pounds of muscle. leaves maybe 2 kilo of fat more than in june. that's nothing. makes him not loose any speed, neither of hand nor foot.

believe you me, he's fvcking ready to rumble, if anything he's stronger.

IF he would've trained intensely for fat loss say for a couple of weeks then dehydrate pre weigh in he would still weigh in 250, would be in ring 265 ish after rehydration like in the first fight. but for fvcking what reason would he attempt an idiocy like that?

that u lot of assholes don't have to fatshame his slightly slimmer physique and jerk of to it?
fvcking body image obsessed dickheads!

he's a massive metzican built like a tank. 6 inches shorter, upper body as long and carries as much muscle as joshua under the flab that gets you all so excited. he fights & beats up much taller guys since he's 6 years old. talking about experience.

not saying josh hasn't the power to knock ruiz out with a punch that ruiz doesn't see coming at the end of a combination, IF joshua goes all out quick with maximum force overwhelming maybe surprise ruiz.

if he thinks he can keep ruiz off him for 12 rounds by jabbing & moving he will come to a different realisation the moment ruiz lets his hands go.

P.S.: oog & 1slime aka the dunce duo still acting like absolute assholes non stop. tvrd & cant aka turd & pudendum or vice versa. again no insult, facts. proof 24/7 on here.

[oogiebe]

15 pounds more than in june.

minus shirt, chain, pants, hat, was he wearing shoes?

makes at most 10 pounds that he comes in heavier. more like 3 maybe 4 kilogramm. that's nothing

knowing he had a longer camp than before the june fight. he surely didn't loose any rather gained a couple pounds of muscle. leaves maybe 2 kilo of fat more than in june. that's nothing. makes him not loose any speed, neither of hand nor foot.

believe you me, he's fvcking ready to rumble, if anything he's stronger.

IF he would've trained intensely for fat loss say for a couple of weeks then dehydrate pre weigh in he would still weigh in 250, would be in ring 265 ish after rehydration like in the first fight. but for fvcking what reason would he attempt an idiocy like that?

that u lot of assholes don't have to fatshame his slightly slimmer physique and jerk of to it?
fvcking body image obsessed dickheads!

he's a massive metzican built like a tank. 6 inches shorter, upper body as long and carries as much muscle as joshua under the flab that gets you all so excited. he fights & beats up much taller guys since he's 6 years old. talking about experience.

not saying josh hasn't the power to knock ruiz out with a punch that ruiz doesn't see coming at the end of a combination, IF joshua goes all out quick with maximum force overwhelming maybe surprise ruiz.

if he thinks he can keep ruiz off him for 12 rounds by jabbing & moving he will come to a different realisation the moment ruiz lets his hands go.

P.S.: oog & 1slime aka the dunce duo still acting like absolute assholes non stop. tvrd & cant aka poop & pudendum or vice versa. again no insult, facts. proof 24/7 on here.

At your service.

[Impractical Poster]

The pressure got even more for AJ. He cannot lose to a Ruiz in this condition. Rooting for AJ. I had originally picked AJ. Then switched to Ruiz. Now I have no clue.

[margaret thatcher]

The pressure got even more for AJ. He cannot lose to a Ruiz in this condition. Rooting for AJ. I had originally picked AJ. Then switched to Ruiz. Now I have no clue.

Ruiz's added obesity could be the key factor that wins it for Andy

[Onetimeonly]

The pressure got even more for AJ. He cannot lose to a Ruiz in this condition. Rooting for AJ. I had originally picked AJ. Then switched to Ruiz. Now I have no clue.

He already lost to Ruiz in awful condition. The pressure is definitely on Josh but he's the only one that cares. If Ruiz loses tomorrow I wouldn't be at all surprised if he never fights again.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

His own trainer said 268 was too heavy and it was only because he had a short camp lqst time.

Now hes heavier

But yeah its definitely weights in a sombrero, jedi mind trick and muscles. Not a guy who clearly over eats all the time partying too much after his big won

[Onetimeonly]

It doesn't really change his chances. The psychological warfare angle is hilarious. If he's 283 or 243 he's going to be fat.

[margaret thatcher]

His own trainer said 268 was too heavy and it was only because he had a short camp lqst time.

Now hes heavier

But yeah its definitely weights in a sombrero, jedi mind trick and muscles. Not a guy who clearly over eats all the time partying too much after his big won

Lol I know right, totally bizarre how people think it's some sort of weighted sombrero mind games. What the hell?? Where have they been, Ruiz has been a total porker all his career, wow it's so shocking that a fat guy gained weight!

[Onetimeonly]

Almost like a spoof movie on rocky flicks. In the ring..."fornicate, he's not nearly as fat as I thought!" The whole game plan is out the window! Imagine if holyfield had this kind of insight? I'll be surprised if Ruiz gives much effort. Not that I blame him, he can eat forever.

[goose 5]

I really hope that, if Ruiz loses, he doesn't say the added weight was due to an injury that prevented him from training. I'm taking Ruiz to win, as long as he isn't, or was, injured or sick.