Why is Sugar Ray Robinson to you the Greatest Pound Per Pound Fighter of All-time?

[Onetimeonly]

One thing we know for sure, Armstrong could never make it to 131-1.

[Duran1970]

No fighter that ever lived is flawless. We're all human.

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[jimglen]

25 years, over 200 fights, nearly all wins,

many of them years at the TOP and/or among the Top

Boxer 1st class,
KO Punchers,
Athletic,
Stylish,
Durable,
many great wins

'HIS' TOP 10 over the years reads as good as many Top 10 lists in general. that's quite remarkable all in.

[Duran1970]

Alright look guy. You've expressed your opinion. We've expressed ours. Ours is based on in-ring fact that we've shown video evidence of. Yours is based off of "Well I think he...."

Well stop thinking because you weaken the nation.

You're making yourself look like an absolute idiot, an asshole, a guy that disagrees for the sake of disagreeing because he can't get laid...all of the above.

Calm down.

You don't think Robinson was a great fighter...fine. You're an idiot, but fine. Shut up about it.

Did I have ever called you a name? Don't follow some people's footsteps, gilgamesh. That's evil. You are not being your own self. You are better than that. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, is an idiot. It's just a matter of opinion.

I asked someone about the great Henry Armstrong's boxing skills like jab, footwork and countering. He didn't answer me. He knew that I was right. He didn't called me names.

Please, bro. Be your own man. Don't follow the evil. Think for yourself. Think outside the box and see it yourself.

The great Sugar Ray Robinson was not the all COMPLETE fighter that we thought when were kids. Something that old school boxing history buffs like Bert Sugar and Curt Gowdy, for example, put us to believe. I mentioned 10 fighters! Ten fighters that were MORE COMPLETE than he was. So, for that I am an idiot?

See those ten that I have mentioned. Maybe you will have a change of heart. That's if you don't let pride and ego be in your way.

No I don't think your right..i try not to respond to idiotic posts...you don't get to be known as one of the best fighters ever without being well rounded.....no footwork? Well how .did he get inside all those bigger opponents? ...you need to do more research... That's like saying all Larry Holmes had was a jab and nothing else..
Absolute nonsense.

[elmersalsa]

Did I have ever called you a name? Don't follow some people's footsteps, gilgamesh. That's evil. You are not being your own self. You are better than that. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, is an idiot. It's just a matter of opinion.

I asked someone about the great Henry Armstrong's boxing skills like jab, footwork and countering. He didn't answer me. He knew that I was right. He didn't called me names.

Please, bro. Be your own man. Don't follow the evil. Think for yourself. Think outside the box and see it yourself.

The great Sugar Ray Robinson was not the all COMPLETE fighter that we thought when were kids. Something that old school boxing history buffs like Bert Sugar and Curt Gowdy, for example, put us to believe. I mentioned 10 fighters! Ten fighters that were MORE COMPLETE than he was. So, for that I am an idiot?

See those ten that I have mentioned. Maybe you will have a change of heart. That's if you don't let pride and ego be in your way.

No I don't think your right..i try not to respond to idiotic posts...you don't get to be known as one of the best fighters ever without being well rounded.....no footwork? Well how .did he get inside all those bigger opponents? ...you need to do more research... That's like saying all Larry Holmes had was a jab and nothing else..
Absolute nonsense.

Idiotic posts? Please don't follow other's folly. Did you see Armstrong's jab?
Did you see his footwork?
Did you see him countering?

I did my research a long time ago.
But, what I saw of him, was that even when he had his head unprotected like that going forward, he was moving his head from side to side. He at times was a difficult target to cleanly hit even though he was going forward. And that's what I am talking about. Some people, or the majority think that you can only make someone miss going backwards a la Sugar Ray or Muhammad Ali. There are plenty of fighters that make you miss going forward. And Armstrong was a living proof of that.

Armstrong had extreme durability.
Great chin.
Unbelievable strength and stamina
Tremendous upper body strength
Great punching ability
Great punching power
And of course, a brilliant inside game. Just terrific!

[oogiebe]

I'll bet someone is loving all the attention.

[Duran1970]

How could he accomplish all what you said if he had no footwork...how could he get in position to throw all those punches without balance..yes balance is footwork...the guy had fast feet..just because he didn't dance like Robinson or Ali doesn't mean he had no footwork... obviously you have never boxed.

[AntonioMartin]

No fighter that ever lived is flawless. We're all human.

Very true, very true...

[elmersalsa]

How could he accomplish all what you said if he had no footwork...how could he get in position to throw all those punches without balance..yes balance is footwork...the guy had fast feet..just because he didn't dance like Robinson or Ali doesn't mean he had no footwork... obviously you have never boxed.

I have never been inside a ring, you're right. But, to say that Armstrong did had excellent footwork, I may say that his footwork was good for a slugger standards. He wasn't like the great Alexis Arguello's weak footwork, but not as equal as Sugar Ray's either.

[elmersalsa]

One thing we know for sure, Armstrong could never make it to 131-1.

He was 26-0 in 1937 alone. From 1937 to 1940, he had an amazing ring record of 57-1, winning 3 world championships in 3 different weight classes simultaneously. Nobody has ever done that before.

[Onetimeonly]

One thing we know for sure, Armstrong could never make it to 131-1.

He was 26-0 in 1937 alone. From 1937 to 1940, he had an amazing ring record of 57-1, winning 3 world championships in 3 different weight classes simultaneously. Nobody has ever done that before.

He was 0-1.

[gilgamesh]

One thing we know for sure, Armstrong could never make it to 131-1.

He was 26-0 in 1937 alone. From 1937 to 1940, he had an amazing ring record of 57-1, winning 3 world championships in 3 different weight classes simultaneously. Nobody has ever done that before.

Nobody has ever done that before

can be uttered about a lot of Robinson's accomplishments as well.

Oh...and Robinson beat Armstrong.

[elmersalsa]

He was 26-0 in 1937 alone. From 1937 to 1940, he had an amazing ring record of 57-1, winning 3 world championships in 3 different weight classes simultaneously. Nobody has ever done that before.

Nobody has ever done that before

can be uttered about a lot of Robinson's accomplishments as well.

Oh...and Robinson beat Armstrong.

Henry was washed up.

[gilgamesh]

Nobody has ever done that before

can be uttered about a lot of Robinson's accomplishments as well.

Oh...and Robinson beat Armstrong.

Henry was washed up.

Yet, Robinson just couldn't hack it against Joey Maxim was your attitude right?

So excuses are allowed for YOUR guy, but they're not allowed for others?

"Robinson never went 4 weight classes above his natural weight which was Welterweight. Once he went to light-heavyweight, Joey Maxim sent him back to the middleweights."

So heat exhaustion in a fight you were winning handily makes you a p*ssy, but losing because you're old is fine?

You're bending over backwards here trying to argue that Armstrong is better. Why didn't you just start with Greb or Langford. You wouldn't have to try so hard.

[elmersalsa]

Henry was washed up.

Yet, Robinson just couldn't hack it against Joey Maxim was your attitude right?

So excuses are allowed for YOUR guy, but they're not allowed for others?

"Robinson never went 4 weight classes above his natural weight which was Welterweight. Once he went to light-heavyweight, Joey Maxim sent him back to the middleweights."

So heat exhaustion in a fight you were winning handily makes you a p*ssy, but losing because you're old is fine?

You're bending over backwards here trying to argue that Armstrong is better. Why didn't you just start with Greb or Langford. You wouldn't have to try so hard.

Henry was washed up when he fought Sugar Ray. That was a fact.

Robinson lost to Joey Maxim. The heat my ass. The heat was for Maxim as well. End of story. Nobody called Sugar Ray a puzzy.

Henry Armstrong to me, is the greatest pound per pound fighter of all time. End of story.

[Ambling Alp II]

Armstrong also lost to Zivic twice, Arizmendi twice, the legendary Joe Conde, the one and only Richie Fontaine. Love to hear the excuses for these losses.

[elmersalsa]

Armstrong also lost to Zivic twice, Arizmendi twice, the legendary Joe Conde, the one and only Richie Fontaine. Love to hear the excuses for these losses.

Everybody losses. There ain't no excuses. At least Armstrong "fought his fight", right?

[Wee Tommy]

Armstrong also lost to Zivic twice, Arizmendi twice, the legendary Joe Conde, the one and only Richie Fontaine. Love to hear the excuses for these losses.

Everybody losses. There ain't no excuses. At least Armstrong "fought his fight", right?

What’s your point here Elmo?

[elmersalsa]

Everybody losses. There ain't no excuses. At least Armstrong "fought his fight", right?

What’s your point here Elmo?

Ambling Alp knows what I am talking about.

[oogiebe]

What’s your point here Elmo?

Ambling Alp knows what I am talking about.

At least someone does.

[gilgamesh]

Armstrong also lost to Zivic twice, Arizmendi twice, the legendary Joe Conde, the one and only Richie Fontaine. Love to hear the excuses for these losses.

Everybody losses. There ain't no excuses. At least Armstrong "fought his fight", right?

Everybody don't lose 4 of their first 5 fights.

Robinson didn't lose several of his early fights for instance. In fact he hadn't lost 4 fights after 130 fights.

He also twice beat Fritzie Zivic, and never lost to him first.

[gilgamesh]

Armstrong also lost to Zivic twice, Arizmendi twice, the legendary Joe Conde, the one and only Richie Fontaine. Love to hear the excuses for these losses.

Or the loss to the debuting Eddie Trujillo who would go on to amass a 11-8-2 record, never scoring a KO victory.

This was Armstrong's 4th Pro fight by the way. So you'd think the greatest fighter of all time could've managed to whip a guy like that by then, but no.

That being said, I don't think anyone can argue that starting off with losing 4 of your first 5 to then accomplish what Armstrong did is probably the greatest career turnaround in the sports history.

[Cojimar 1946]

Armstrong also lost to Zivic twice, Arizmendi twice, the legendary Joe Conde, the one and only Richie Fontaine. Love to hear the excuses for these losses.

At least Floyd Mayweather is still undefeated

[Ambling Alp II]

Only because the judges gave him the BS decision in the Castillo fight. His victims list is a joke compared to most of the guys we have been talking about.

[Ambling Alp II]

Ambling Alp knows what I am talking about.

At least someone does.

For the record, I don't know what elmer is talking about either. It's not not like he makes sense very often.

Armstrong lost fights he should not have. That has to be weighed against his notable wins.