I feel for those guys who bet good money on him, expecting a professional boxer.
Bugging out of training camp, partying to hard and too long, packing on weight- that ain't professional
I feel sorry for anyone foolish enough to expect Professionalism out of Andy Ruiz who has always been WAY overweight as a professional boxer. ALWAYS
True, but still surprising that he would come in substantially fatter and more out of shape than he did as a last minute sub. He really did go the extra mile in eating and partying.
I do find it amusing when people talk about an in shape Ruiz as being around 260. If he were to actually get in shape he'd be around 220.
AJ put in a skilled performance, in the only fashion he could beat Ruiz, by mixing it up as little as possible and getting full use of his comically bigger physical advantages. The plan he should have had the first time. This is all kinda distracting from the obvious point that rematch showed. Nothing at all happened that night that should make anyone think he would beat Fury or Wilder, absolutely nothing. We already knew he'd win rounds against Wilder, we also know he will undoubtedly get hit with the right hand and find himself on the floor at some point. It will happen, like it or not. And we should pray for the people who think he'd out box Fury, they are the most diluted. This is a whole lot of fuss for the clear #3 HW, months removed from being absolutely destroyed by a fat contender. I'm glad AJ redeemed himself, but until he fights and beats Fury or Wilder (Guys he doesn't have every advantage possible over) he won't be considered the best no matter how many trinkets he has.
I feel sorry for anyone foolish enough to expect Professionalism out of Andy Ruiz who has always been WAY overweight as a professional boxer. ALWAYS
True, but still surprising that he would come in substantially fatter and more out of shape than he did as a last minute sub. He really did go the extra mile in eating and partying.
I do find it amusing when people talk about an in shape Ruiz as being around 260. If he were to actually get in shape he'd be around 220.
As a "last minute sub" he had fought 2 months prior. This time he'd been sitting around for 6 months. He's kinda living proof that it does a fighter good to stay active.
hhaehre wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 07:40
True, but still surprising that he would come in substantially fatter and more out of shape than he did as a last minute sub. He really did go the extra mile in eating and partying.
I do find it amusing when people talk about an in shape Ruiz as being around 260. If he were to actually get in shape he'd be around 220.
As a "last minute sub" he had fought 2 months prior. This time he'd been sitting around for 6 months. He's kinda living proof that it does a fighter good to stay active.
hhaehre wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 07:40
True, but still surprising that he would come in substantially fatter and more out of shape than he did as a last minute sub. He really did go the extra mile in eating and partying.
I do find it amusing when people talk about an in shape Ruiz as being around 260. If he were to actually get in shape he'd be around 220.
As a "last minute sub" he had fought 2 months prior. This time he'd been sitting around for 6 months. He's kinda living proof that it does a fighter good to stay active.
Yes, but normally it's to stay sharp, not to minimize the number of "eatin' days".
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy, so he had to constantly move and jab the entire fight. Even then, Blimpy Boy still won 2 rounds, maybe even 3 ! If you said Wlad was a puss when he fought like this, at least be honest and admit the same thing about Joshua.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy, so he had to constantly move and jab the entire fight. Even then, Blimpy Boy still won 2 rounds, maybe even 3 ! If you said Wlad was a puss when he fought like this, at least be honest and admit the same thing about Joshua.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy,
In a nutshell, getting on his bike in the rematch essentially admitted the first fight wasn't a fluke, an admission that if he stood in range and got busy with Andy he'd het the quit beat out of him, again.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy, so he had to constantly move and jab the entire fight. Even then, Blimpy Boy still won 2 rounds, maybe even 3 ! If you said Wlad was a puss when he fought like this, at least be honest and admit the same thing about Joshua.
Wasn't outstanding by any means. Just what was needed to win. It was the classic old "Win this one, look good next time" situation.
Wlad would've probably made it a little more boring as he would've been tying up Ruiz a lot as well as sticking and moving, but he probably would've avoid getting shaken a little like AJ did in the 8th too.
I never really criticized Wlad's style a lot of people did though.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy, so he had to constantly move and jab the entire fight. Even then, Blimpy Boy still won 2 rounds, maybe even 3 ! If you said Wlad was a puss when he fought like this, at least be honest and admit the same thing about Joshua.
Wasn't outstanding by any means. Just what was needed to win. It was the classic old "Win this one, look good next time" situation.
Wlad would've probably made it a little more boring as he would've been tying up Ruiz a lot as well as sticking and moving, but he probably would've avoid getting shaken a little like AJ did in the 8th too.
I never really criticized Wlad's style a lot of people did though.
Wlad had that jackhammer jab. I think he would've wrecked Ruiz.
Wasn't outstanding by any means. Just what was needed to win. It was the classic old "Win this one, look good next time" situation.
Wlad would've probably made it a little more boring as he would've been tying up Ruiz a lot as well as sticking and moving, but he probably would've avoid getting shaken a little like AJ did in the 8th too.
I never really criticized Wlad's style a lot of people did though.
Wlad had that jackhammer jab. I think he would've wrecked Ruiz.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy, so he had to constantly move and jab the entire fight. Even then, Blimpy Boy still won 2 rounds, maybe even 3 ! If you said Wlad was a puss when he fought like this, at least be honest and admit the same thing about Joshua.
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Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy, so he had to constantly move and jab the entire fight. Even then, Blimpy Boy still won 2 rounds, maybe even 3 ! If you said Wlad was a puss when he fought like this, at least be honest and admit the same thing about Joshua.
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You save your 'gay poo' for someone else don't you. 100 inches of reach!!
oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 21:39
Wlad had that jackhammer jab. I think he would've wrecked Ruiz.
He would've won every round I figure.
While cuddling 3x more than Joshua did.
Wlad would never have wrecked Ruiz, you have to actually throw follow up shots to do that. He would have jabbed, grabbed and spoiled his way to a decision, and it would have looked a hell of a lot uglier than last Saturday.
This style of fighting is not very effective against taller longer opponents, particularly ones that prefer to box at range. Ask Wlad how well his style works on Fury.
Boxtune wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 18:34
So far three replies, but no answer
I have to agree with Gilgamesh's "don't smoke crack" answer. You must be new to the sport if you don't understand the concept of outside boxing. Like... Pep, Whitaker, Mayweather, Ali, Holmes, Wlad, Vitali, Ivan Calderon...
Seriously, are you new to boxing? If not, then this is just an idiotic opinion.
I disagree... I agree with the poster that said he was on meth
AJ is an excellent fighter but he doesn't have a granite jaw. Noted back in the Olympics.
AJ did a great job of reinventing himself. If he traded with Andy, he may have knocked him out or been KOd himself. Why take the chance? Boxing is about winning.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already considered one of the great punchers of alltime who obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy,
AJ has the power but not the chin. As a fan I wanted AJ to be more aggressive too, but he did the smarter thing.
Biggest takeaways from Ruiz v Joshua II are. AJ's stock is back up, but not to where it was before their first fight, because its' now pretty much acknowledged that he has an iffy chin, jaw, cranium.
Ruiz's stock is down, because it really is true that you can't move well when you're obese, and Andy has never really shown he has the discipline to drop weight.
AJ boxed for 12 rounds. The sport is called boxing.
I can't understand how anybody other than a novice viewer would have a problem with that.
Fury boxes in boxing. Ali, Holmes, Klitchko, Lewis and both Sugar Rays boxed in boxing.
What's all the whining about ?
snake33 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2019, 13:11
AJ boxed for 12 rounds. The sport is called boxing.
I can't understand how anybody other than a novice viewer would have a problem with that.
Fury boxes in boxing. Ali, Holmes, Klitchko, Lewis and both Sugar Rays boxed in boxing.
What's all the whining about ?
i don't really think it's about AJ's performance, more like AJ fanboys reactions. just like WIlder fanboys. The silly tit for tat that goes on here is sometimes too far, and I'm guilty of getting sucked in as well. As I posted before, AJ did what he had to do to win and that meant sticking to a gameplan that was a bit foreign to him. Some go overboard stating it was some sort of Masterclass which is absurd as his opponent was barely 6 feet tall and almost 285 pounds, hardly a threat. AJ is back, but has still taken a bit of a hit on his reputation.
