Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:07
His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
I don't think that he had inferior skills nor speed against none of them. He was perfectly rounded and fundamentally sound at 154lbs.
Marvelous would have beaten him because of weight, not because of skills.
No he didn't. He was still knocking people out at 175lbs. His speed and power never regressed.
Umm, no.
He was hitting guys almost at will and was not putting them away. DeValle, Johnson, Telesco, Gonzalez all went the distance. Grant, Hall, and Harmon lasted until the late rounds. This wasn't exactly sterling opposition.
You don't what you was watching. See that great fighter again in his prime at light-heavyweight again, please.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:07
His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:07
His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:07
His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
I don't think that he had inferior skills nor speed against none of them. He was perfectly rounded and fundamentally sound at 154lbs.
Marvelous would have beaten him because of weight, not because of skills.
Thinking isn't your strong suit. So you don't 'think' Ray Leonard was faster than Mike McCallum?
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:07
His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
Whose???
The guy Elmer has been rambling about for 3 months.
Thinking isn't your strong suit. So you don't 'think' Ray Leonard was faster than Mike McCallum?
Being faster doesn't mean better skilled. Maybe you needed glasses.
You said he wasn't faster, none of them were. Your words dumbo. Are you really so dense and pathetic that you can't even follow your own words? You quoted yourself there. You've always been a massive hypocrite that was short on intellect, but it looks like dementia has come into play. Poor Elmo.
And at #90, we have a very good fighter. So underrated that I thought that he didn't belong in the top 100 greatest fighters pound per pound of all times. His name is James "Lights Out" Toney. One of the best fighters of the 90s decade.
#90. James Toney Record: 77-10-3 (2NC), 47KOs KOpct 61% Career: 1988-2017 Titles Held: IBF World Middleweight Champion (1991-93), IBF World Super Middleweight Champion (1993-94), and IBF World Cruiserweight Champion (2003).
Highlights: Triple crown world boxing champion. Made 6 successful title defenses of the IBF World Middleweight Championship. Never lost the crown. Won his first 20 fights. Undefeated in his first 46 contests (Record: 44-0-2, 29KOs). Won 14 fights on a row from June 1997 to September 2004. Beat 9 out of 14 world champions he faced. Record vs world champions is 11-5-2 (2NC), 6KOs. Beat 2 out of of 3 hall of fame boxers. Record vs HOFs is 3-1-1, 1KO. Was never stopped in 90 professional bouts. The Ring Fighter of the Year in 1991 and 2003.
Historical Impact: A COMPLETE gifted technician with a warrior's mentality that fought over 90 contests in 5 different weight classes. His great boxing ability provided him to fight bigger men. A rare feat in his era of boxing. Supposedly became the third middleweight and 3rd light-heavyweight champion to win a piece of the Heavyweight crown when he fought champion John Ruiz, but the fight was ruled a No-Contest due to finding a banned substance inside his system.
Defining Fight: W12 Vassiliy Jirov....April 26, 2003..."At 34, gave a masterpiece of infighting counterpunching, winningbis third World crown" Other DefiningFights: WTKO11 Michael Nunn, W12 Mike McCallum (II), WTKO9 Iran Barkley, WKO12 Prince Charles Williams, L12 Roy Jones, Jr, and WTKO9 Evander Holyfield.
Being faster doesn't mean better skilled. Maybe you needed glasses.
You said he wasn't faster, none of them were. Your words dumbo. Are you really so dense and pathetic that you can't even follow your own words? You quoted yourself there. You've always been a massive hypocrite that was short on intellect, but it looks like dementia has come into play. Poor Elmo.
You missed that you said that them were better skilled. So, you probably have dementia, also. Did you see the point?
Calling me an hypocrite? Don't make me laugh smart ass boy. Because that's what you are, a boy. Grow up, boy! You are not more intelligent than I am.
You said he wasn't faster, none of them were. Your words dumbo. Are you really so dense and pathetic that you can't even follow your own words? You quoted yourself there. You've always been a massive hypocrite that was short on intellect, but it looks like dementia has come into play. Poor Elmo.
You missed that you said that them were better skilled. So, you probably have dementia, also. Did you see the point?
Calling me an hypocrite? Don't make me laugh smart ass boy. Because that's what you are, a boy. Grow up, boy! You are not more intelligent than I am.
They were more skilled. I just figured even a donkey like you would admit they're wrong when they say Ray Leonard didn't have a speed advantage over Mike McCallum.
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:50
Umm, no.
He was hitting guys almost at will and was not putting them away. DeValle, Johnson, Telesco, Gonzalez all went the distance. Grant, Hall, and Harmon lasted until the late rounds. This wasn't exactly sterling opposition.
You don't what you was watching. See that great fighter again in his prime at light-heavyweight again, please.
You missed that you said that them were better skilled. So, you probably have dementia, also. Did you see the point?
Calling me an hypocrite? Don't make me laugh smart ass boy. Because that's what you are, a boy. Grow up, boy! You are not more intelligent than I am.
They were more skilled. I just figured even a donkey like you would admit they're wrong when they say Ray Leonard didn't have a speed advantage over Mike McCallum.
Jackass, you don't know the difference between better skilled and speed. Probably you think that both are the same. What a moron!
You're played out, bro. Grow up and make a New Year's resolution to change your game because your game is old. Completely old and foolish. Don't be the asshole of the year in 2020 like you have always been.
They were more skilled. I just figured even a donkey like you would admit they're wrong when they say Ray Leonard didn't have a speed advantage over Mike McCallum.
Jackass, you don't know the difference between better skilled and speed. Probably you think that both are the same. What a moron!
You're played out, bro. Grow up and make a New Year's resolution to change your game because your game is old. Completely old and foolish. Don't be the asshole of the year in 2020 like you have always been.
elmersalsa wrote: ↑19 Dec 2019, 17:42
Jackass, you don't know the difference between better skilled and speed. Probably you think that both are the same. What a moron!
You're played out, bro. Grow up and make a New Year's resolution to change your game because your game is old. Completely old and foolish. Don't be the asshole of the year in 2020 like you have always been.
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Dec 2019, 16:07
His inferior speed and skills would be the hurdle against Leonard, Hagler & Hearns. Size might carry him over Duran despite the same deficiencies.
I don't think that he had inferior skills nor speed against none of them. He was perfectly rounded and fundamentally sound at 154lbs.
Marvelous would have beaten him because of weight, not because of skills.
Hagler was just flat out better than McCallum. He'd beat him because of skills and talent among other things.
I like McCallum a lot but lets be honest here. These are two different levels of greats.
I don't think that he had inferior skills nor speed against none of them. He was perfectly rounded and fundamentally sound at 154lbs.
Marvelous would have beaten him because of weight, not because of skills.
Hagler was just flat out better than McCallum. He'd beat him because of skills and talent among other things.
I like McCallum a lot but lets be honest here. These are two different levels of greats.
In his prime, Hagler was one of the most complete and versatile fighters to ever step in the ring. While Elmo will tell you Eusebio Pedroza was superior in that regard, like always, he's wrong.
In one of the best fights of the 90s decade, James "Lights Out" Toney stopped champion Michael Nunn to win the IBF World Middleweight Championship. It was his first of the 3 world crowns that Toney won in his fabulous career.
He was behind in the score cards in all of the 3 judges. And he was losing by a large margin. I didn't see it that way. By the time of the stoppage in round 11th, I had the fight dead even at 96-96.
Toney lost the earlier rounds, but he was gaining ground after the 6th. He was scoring with some wicked combination shots. Nunn was taking them. He was showing that he could take a punch and that he was a great champion indeed.
It was one of the most technical boxing matches that I have ever seen. A classic masterpiece of two great fighters that displayed a lot of class. It was a competitive fight all the way.
James "Lights Out" Toney defended his IBF World Middleweight crown for the first time against fellow American and future world champion Reggie Johnson. Toney only had six weeks with the title that he just won against Michael Nunn of Davenport, IA.
And he was a busy champion. He defended it 6 times within a year and a half. Johnson, a southpaw slick boxer, dropped Toney with a left in round 2. Toney got up and started taking the fight. He won the fight in my opinion 115-114.