Leon spinks is very unwell

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Onetimeonly wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 20:35
oogiebe wrote: 18 Dec 2019, 20:18

Meh...we all chimed in...to no avail. The boy loves Page.
Like nobody has ever loved a fighter.
Shades of Kalan and Wilt.
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No, not as bad as Kalan and Wilt. Okay, maybe I went a bit too far. But Greg Page was a damned good fighter for a minute. And he did wind up champion despite everything. So all is good.
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Page was certainly a solid top 10 contender. I don't recognize that he was champion, because Holmes was at the time. If I have to recognize Page and Dokes as champion, what about Monte Masters? Where does it end?

Never heard drug rumors about Page, but perhaps food was his drug that kept him from being better.

Either way you can't compare Wilt, Too Tall or Butterbean to Page, those 3 were never top 50, much less top 10.
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:09 Page was certainly a solid top 10 contender. I don't recognize that he was champion, because Holmes was at the time. If I have to recognize Page and Dokes as champion, what about Monte Masters? Where does it end?

Never heard drug rumors about Page, but perhaps food was his drug that kept him from being better.

Either way you can't compare Wilt, Too Tall or Butterbean to Page, those 3 were never top 50, much less top 10.
He was comparing Kalan's obsession with Wilt to Nile's obsession with Page. Pretty apt.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:32
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:09 Page was certainly a solid top 10 contender. I don't recognize that he was champion, because Holmes was at the time. If I have to recognize Page and Dokes as champion, what about Monte Masters? Where does it end?

Never heard drug rumors about Page, but perhaps food was his drug that kept him from being better.

Either way you can't compare Wilt, Too Tall or Butterbean to Page, those 3 were never top 50, much less top 10.
He was comparing Kalan's obsession with Wilt to Nile's obsession with Page. Pretty apt.
I was obsessed with Leon and Duane Bobick in the day so what do I know? :lol:

Nothing wrong with liking any fighter, but puffing the goods on Page is a far cry from the mental retardation of saying Wilt could have beaten Ali or Too Tall was a great HW.
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:36
Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:32

He was comparing Kalan's obsession with Wilt to Nile's obsession with Page. Pretty apt.
I was obsessed with Leon and Duane Bobick in the day so what do I know? :lol:

Nothing wrong with liking any fighter, but puffing the goods on Page is a far cry from the mental retardation of saying Wilt could have beaten Ali or Too Tall was a great HW.
Wilt came as close to beating Ali as Page did to beating Chaplin. Two horrific robberies. I've never loved a fighter enough to defend stuff like that, but yes, Page would have battered Wilt. Didn't like Bobick, but I was down with Leon. Earnie was my fav then.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:40
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:36

I was obsessed with Leon and Duane Bobick in the day so what do I know? :lol:

Nothing wrong with liking any fighter, but puffing the goods on Page is a far cry from the mental retardation of saying Wilt could have beaten Ali or Too Tall was a great HW.
Wilt came as close to beating Ali as Page did to beating Chaplin. Two horrific robberies. I've never loved a fighter enough to defend stuff like that, but yes, Page would have battered Wilt. Didn't like Bobick, but I was down with Leon. Earnie was my fav then.

If I saw Page vs Chaplin I don't remember it. ) Wouldn't surprise me at all, Clancy called guys like Chaplin "cuties." Chaplin retired Duane Bobick. Heard Chaplin was a fairly smart dude.

I never liked Page either, man he was in some dull fights. Why didn't you like Duane?
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:47
Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:40

Wilt came as close to beating Ali as Page did to beating Chaplin. Two horrific robberies. I've never loved a fighter enough to defend stuff like that, but yes, Page would have battered Wilt. Didn't like Bobick, but I was down with Leon. Earnie was my fav then.

If I saw Page vs Chaplin I don't remember it. ) Wouldn't surprise me at all, Clancy called guys like Chaplin "cuties." Chaplin retired Duane Bobick. Heard Chaplin was a fairly smart dude.

I never liked Page either, man he was in some dull fights. Why didn't you like Duane?
You'd be hard pressed to find a 'white hope' type that I didn't dislike. George was a good solid pro. He pretty much just beat Page up. He got robbed in Louisville bad enough to get a rematch and then he got robbed even worse in AC. Page maybe won 5 rounds combined in his two victories.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:54
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:47


If I saw Page vs Chaplin I don't remember it. ) Wouldn't surprise me at all, Clancy called guys like Chaplin "cuties." Chaplin retired Duane Bobick. Heard Chaplin was a fairly smart dude.

I never liked Page either, man he was in some dull fights. Why didn't you like Duane?
You'd be hard pressed to find a 'white hope' type that I didn't dislike. George was a good solid pro. He pretty much just beat Page up. He got robbed in Louisville bad enough to get a rematch and then he got robbed even worse in AC. Page maybe won 5 rounds combined in his two victories.
I just watched a couple rounds of Chaplin-Page on youtube. George was taking it to him. I'd love to find Chaplin-Bobick.
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:09 Page was certainly a solid top 10 contender. I don't recognize that he was champion, because Holmes was at the time. If I have to recognize Page and Dokes as champion, what about Monte Masters? Where does it end?
This is a poor rationale for not recognising Page or similar as champs. Ali very nearly fought Weaver instead of Holmes and thus would have legitimized the WBA line. WBA champs like Weaver, Spoon and Bonecrusher gave Holmes hell and it's not hard to envisage Coetzee, Dokes and Page doing at least as well, if not better. Holmes ditched a WBC belt for easier fights than Page. Is Pinklon Thomas not a champ, even thought he schooled Spoon who arguably beat Holmes and won Holmes' green strap?

I'm not a Greg Page nut like Nile is btw, I'm just trying to be fair.
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:59
Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:54

You'd be hard pressed to find a 'white hope' type that I didn't dislike. George was a good solid pro. He pretty much just beat Page up. He got robbed in Louisville bad enough to get a rematch and then he got robbed even worse in AC. Page maybe won 5 rounds combined in his two victories.
I just watched a couple rounds of Chaplin-Page on youtube. George was taking it to him. I'd love to find Chaplin-Bobick.
I didn't know someone finally uploaded those fights. Never saw the Bobick fight., Shavers/Chaplin was my first live event.
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Tuan_Jim wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:07
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:09 Page was certainly a solid top 10 contender. I don't recognize that he was champion, because Holmes was at the time. If I have to recognize Page and Dokes as champion, what about Monte Masters? Where does it end?
This is a poor rationale for not recognising Page or similar as champs. Ali very nearly fought Weaver instead of Holmes and thus would have legitimized the WBA line. WBA champs like Weaver, Spoon and Bonecrusher gave Holmes hell and it's not hard to envisage Coetzee, Dokes and Page doing at least as well, if not better. Holmes ditched a WBC belt for easier fights than Page. Is Pinklon Thomas not a champ, even thought he schooled Spoon who arguably beat Holmes and won Holmes' green strap?

I'm not a Greg Page nut like Nile is btw, I'm just trying to be fair.
Certainly not saying the above names couldn't give Holmes a good or even very close fight on a good night; Terrible Tim certainly did. All the above were legit contenders. But to be champion you have to beat the man. Norton should have won his 3rd fight with Ali, but didn't,
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Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:09
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:59

I just watched a couple rounds of Chaplin-Page on youtube. George was taking it to him. I'd love to find Chaplin-Bobick.
I didn't know someone finally uploaded those fights. Never saw the Bobick fight., Shavers/Chaplin was my first live event.
How did that fight go?
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:22
Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:09

I didn't know someone finally uploaded those fights. Never saw the Bobick fight., Shavers/Chaplin was my first live event.
How did that fight go?
Not well for Shavers. Basically just showed up for a check.
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Nile4000 wrote: 19 Dec 2019, 16:24 No, not as bad as Kalan and Wilt. Okay, maybe I went a bit too far. But Greg Page was a damned good fighter for a minute. And he did wind up champion despite everything. So all is good.
Champion implies someone is the best, Greg Page holding a belt doesn't make him the best fighter in the division.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:25
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:22

How did that fight go?
Not well for Shavers. Basically just showed up for a check.
Incredible you saw Shavers fighting in the flesh. Was the famed power in evidence at all?
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Nile4000 wrote: 19 Dec 2019, 16:24 No, not as bad as Kalan and Wilt. Okay, maybe I went a bit too far. But Greg Page was a damned good fighter for a minute. And he did wind up champion despite everything. So all is good.
Do you know the ultra rare Greg Page vs Larry Alexander fight has been uploaded to youtube?
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Tuan_Jim wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 13:37
Nile4000 wrote: 19 Dec 2019, 16:24 No, not as bad as Kalan and Wilt. Okay, maybe I went a bit too far. But Greg Page was a damned good fighter for a minute. And he did wind up champion despite everything. So all is good.
Do you know the ultra rare Greg Page vs Larry Alexander fight has been uploaded to youtube?
Oh wait, not Larry Alexander. It's Larry Frazier. Always got those two mixed up.
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Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:59
Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:54

You'd be hard pressed to find a 'white hope' type that I didn't dislike. George was a good solid pro. He pretty much just beat Page up. He got robbed in Louisville bad enough to get a rematch and then he got robbed even worse in AC. Page maybe won 5 rounds combined in his two victories.
I just watched a couple rounds of Chaplin-Page on youtube. George was taking it to him. I'd love to find Chaplin-Bobick.
You can see the Chaplin/Bobick KO if you watch the pre-fight to Page/Chaplin on Youtube.
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Tuan_Jim wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 13:45
Tony1244 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 10:59

I just watched a couple rounds of Chaplin-Page on youtube. George was taking it to him. I'd love to find Chaplin-Bobick.
You can see the Chaplin/Bobick KO if you watch the pre-fight to Page/Chaplin on Youtube.
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Tuan_Jim wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 13:37
Onetimeonly wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 11:25

Not well for Shavers. Basically just showed up for a check.
Incredible you saw Shavers fighting in the flesh. Was the famed power in evidence at all?
Not on that night. He barely trained, lost every Rd.
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Tuan_Jim wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 13:37
Nile4000 wrote: 19 Dec 2019, 16:24 No, not as bad as Kalan and Wilt. Okay, maybe I went a bit too far. But Greg Page was a damned good fighter for a minute. And he did wind up champion despite everything. So all is good.
Do you know the ultra rare Greg Page vs Larry Alexander fight has been uploaded to youtube?
Yeah, I actually saw it when it was on there. Greg had a pretty good showing :TU: .
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Cojimar 1946 wrote: 20 Dec 2019, 12:36
Nile4000 wrote: 19 Dec 2019, 16:24 No, not as bad as Kalan and Wilt. Okay, maybe I went a bit too far. But Greg Page was a damned good fighter for a minute. And he did wind up champion despite everything. So all is good.
Champion implies someone is the best, Greg Page holding a belt doesn't make him the best fighter in the division.
True, but the same applies to Michael Dokes, John Tate, Riddick Bowe, and argualby Gerrie Coetzee and Tim Witherspoon. And Milton McCrory, who would've beaten Donald Curry had they fought in early 1983.
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Leon Spinks Battling Prostate Cancer, Says Wife

It’s going to be a long road and a lot of work,” Brenda said in a statement to USA Today. “But we are bound and determined for the champ to make a comeback.”

USA Today's report says the cancer has spread to Spinks’ bladder. Brenda said that he has returned home and will undergo cancer treatment on an outpatient basis.
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