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Saw Srisaket Sor Rungvisai (or SSR) v Roman Gonzalez the first time around and really, really enjoyed it. How can one not? Anyways, here we go.

Round 1: 10-8 SSR (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 SSR
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 5: 10-9 SSR
Round 6: 10-8 Gonzalez (SSR loses a point for headwork)
Round 7: 10-9 SSR
Round 8: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 9: 10-9 SSR
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 SSR
Round 12: 10-9 Gonzalez

Total: 115-113 SSR

Pure heart on Gonzalez' part with that much blood loss to win the final round. Fantastic fight. Most of the time I try to zone out on the announcing team and not look at Harold's scorecard. But I couldn't help hearing in the 5th round - which seems to be controversial - everyone giving it to Gonzalez. I said to myself halfway through the round "OK, Gonzalez is clearly taking the round off trying to grab a second wind for the 6th." I felt the round was 3/4 over before Gonzalez did anything and I can't forget what SSR did the first 3/4 of the round. Anyways, great fight.

[Duran1970]

Chocolatito won that fight hands down

[margaret thatcher]

Can't remember my card round by round, but I did have Gonzalez winning a close one.

I was surprised at the decision, because he was being pushed good by HBO and the general boxing media at the time and I thought he'd get any benefit of the doubt.

I actually didn't' have SSR winning the first Estrada fight either (can't remember if I had it even or for JFE). Maybe I just don't gel with his style?

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I saw this bout live on CBS (I think it was CBS) back in the day and I recalled a damn good fight. I had it a little heavier to Alli, but one could also see the heavy investment Harry was making towards the body. Alli was catching him with the flashier, eye-catchers but Harry was going to be taking this to the late rounds. here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 2: 10-8 Alli (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Alli
Round 5: 10-9 Alli
Round 6: 10-9 Alli
Round 7: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 8: 10-9 Alli
Round 9: 10-9 Alli
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: TKO win for Arroyo

Total: 98-93 Alli through 10 completed rounds.

Some of these rounds were very tight and I could have ended up with more even rounds as well. It should be noted that there was a point deducted from Alli after the 10th because of a punch after the bell. It was not mentioned during the telecast, just something I found out later. I re-marked my scorecard to 97-93 because of that but I rewatched the end of the 10th and the 11th. Alli swung after the bell but missed, so a bit harsh on Alli. It looks like it was for intent more than anything. Anyway, good fight.

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Watched a nice little bantamweight fight today between 2 hot prospects at the time. This is the second fight between Richie Sandoval and Harold Petty. Not a great fight but very decent with some speedy, clean punching.

Round 1: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 2: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 3: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 4: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 5: 10-9 Petty
Round 6: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 7: 10-9 Petty
Round 8: 10-9 Sandoval
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 98-94 Sandoval

Actual scores were a bit closer. 95-95 Even and two scores of 96-94 for Sandoval. Petty's punches were very crisp, but he simply couldn't match Sandoval's workrate. Two outstanding fighters and a real crying shame Petty never getting a shot at the bantamweight title, despite 2 wins over Zaragoza. Sandoval too, should have given him the opportunity after 2 tough fights.

[Ambling Alp II]

I saw this bout live on CBS (I think it was CBS) back in the day and I recalled a damn good fight. I had it a little heavier to Alli, but one could also see the heavy investment Harry was making towards the body. Alli was catching him with the flashier, eye-catchers but Harry was going to be taking this to the late rounds. here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 2: 10-8 Alli (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Alli
Round 5: 10-9 Alli
Round 6: 10-9 Alli
Round 7: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 8: 10-9 Alli
Round 9: 10-9 Alli
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: TKO win for Arroyo

Total: 98-93 Alli through 10 completed rounds.

Some of these rounds were very tight and I could have ended up with more even rounds as well. It should be noted that there was a point deducted from Alli after the 10th because of a punch after the bell. It was not mentioned during the telecast, just something I found out later. I re-marked my scorecard to 97-93 because of that but I rewatched the end of the 10th and the 11th. Alli swung after the bell but missed, so a bit harsh on Alli. It looks like it was for intent more than anything. Anyway, good fight.

There were a lot of good fights between good (nowhere near great) lightweights in the early-mid 1980s. There were a lot of these types of fights on network (CBS, ABC, NBC)TV back then. Fun to watch.

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Bazooka Limon v Rolando Navarette

This was a fun fight to watch. I missed it the first time around but glad to see it now.

Round 1: 10-9 Limon
Round 2: 10-9 Limon
Round 3: 10-9 Navarette
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Navarette
Round 6: 10-9 Navarette
Round 7: 10-9 Navarette
Round 8: 10-9 Limon
Round 9: 10-9 Limon
Round 10: 10-9 Navarette
Round 11: 10-9 Navarette
Round 12: Limon stops Navarette

Total (through 11 completed rounds): 106-104 Navarette

Great fight. Some of the rounds are close due to Limon throwing a lot of wild leather and Rolando - with a slower workrate - countering beautifully. Sometimes it became a fine line, but enjoyable nonetheless.

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Here's another fun fight to just sit back and enjoy. The 1979 slugfest between Alfonso Zamora and Eddie 'Motorboat' Logan. This was scored with the 10 point must rather than the California point system. Bombs away!

Round 1: 10-9 Zamora
Round 2: 10-9 Zamora
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Logan
Round 5: 10-9 Zamora
Round 6: 10-8 Zamora (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Zamora
Round 8: 10-8 Logan (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: Logan stops Zamora

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 77-74 Zamora

For a guy with so few fights, Logan was amazing. And even more amazing, this was his last fight. Don't know the story, but he went out on a high note.

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Found the first fight between Jeff Chandler and Oscar Muniz. I saw both their fights back in the day but needed to see this again. Here we go on the NJ's rounds basis. 10 rounds non-title.

Round 1: Muniz
Round 2: Muniz
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Chandler
Round 5: Muniz
Round 6: Muniz
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Chandler
Round 9: Muniz
Round 10: Chandler

Total: 5-3-2 Muniz

Actual scores were 5-4-1 (twice) for Muniz and 5-4-1 Chandler. A really good fight that moves fast with some beautiful clean shots. But what really irked me back then was what was going on behind the scenes. I was aware back then of the WBA and WBC's affinity towards cash-cow countries. Fighters that I never heard of getting title shots where good fighters were allowed to rot on the vine has always p***ed me off. And none as much as this fight. Muniz had a record something like 35-3 and despite some really good wins couldn't get a world ranking by either group. Yet, the WBA pushed Miguel Iriarte down Chandler (and our) throats as their #1 contender. He gets a title shot, gets blown away by Chandler in 9 and Jeff says something to the effect of how amazed that he was that Iriarte didn't even know how to fight. I hope Muniz embarrassed the crap out of the WBA by beating Chandler in this non-title and forced a title shot. He may not have won the rematch but as I recall back then, I had it about even before it was stopped. OK, that's me on my soapbox today.

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James Scott v Jerry 'The Bull' Martin

I saw this fight back when it happened and I think I had it closer back then. However, what it was was a good and very hard 10 rounder fought in 100 degree F temperatures in Rahway state Prison. Here we go, NJ rules on a rounds basis (with no extra points for a knockdown)

Round 1: Martin (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: Martin (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: Martin
Round 4: Martin
Round 5: Scott
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Martin
Round 8: Martin
Round 9: Martin
Round 10: Martin

Total: 8-1-1 Martin

Actual scores were 7-3 and 6-4 (twice) for Martin. I don't know if they were bending over backwards for Scott within the prison walls, but I feel Martin outhustled, outpunched and outmuscled Scott at every turn. But a good, hard fight.

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Just watched the third fight between Mike Rossman and Mike Quarry. Saw it in '77 but wanted to see it again. And to tell you the truth, I really enjoyed this fight. Beautiful, fast, clean punching from both subjects. Scored on the NY rounds basis.

Round 1: Quarry
Round 2: Quarry
Round 3: Quarry
Round 4: Rossman
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Rossman (terrific round - Rossman hurts Quarry good but Quarry really fights back hard)
Round 7: Stopped between the 6th and 7th due to a bad cut over one of Quarry's eyes.

Total: 3-2-1 Quarry (at time of stoppage)

Actual scores until that point was 4-2 (twice) for Rossman and 3-3. They used the novelty of posting scores to the viewers, which I never cared for. But I think everyone will enjoy this fight. It was fought at such a pace that each round was over before you knew it.

[Ambling Alp II]

When I get a chance sometime, I will try to catch this. Thanks!

[DrDuke]

Carl Williams vs Tim Witherspoon

1: Williams 10-9
2: Witherspoon 10-9
3: Williams 10-9
4: Witherspoon 10-9
5: Williams 10-9
6: Williams 10-9
7: Williams 10-9
8: Williams 10-9
9: Williams 10-9
10: Williams 10-9
11: Witherspoon 10-9
12: Williams 10-9

Total score: Williams 117-111

[Ambling Alp II]

Williams had a glass jaw, but he was a good fighter. He was right there with Witherspoon, Thomas, Page etc. during the 1980s. Just could not get a break fro judges and refs.

[Onetimeonly]

Glass is pretty extreme.

[Duran1970]

Ruslan Provodnikov vs Chris algieri

1. 10-7 P
2. 10-9 P
3. 10-9 P
4. 10-9 P
5. 10-9 P
6. 10-9 P
7. 10-9 P
8. 10-9 A
9. 10-9 P
10. 10-9 A
11. 10-9 A
12. 10-9 P

117-109 Provodnikov

117-109 Provodnikov - weisfeld. HBO inhouse
117-109 P
114-112 A
114-112 A

In my opinion a clear robbery...the kid showed alot of heart and guts but he didn't win..prime example of how ridiculous HBO punch stat numbers were in this fight..in one round they counted algieri landed 30+ when he really landed 13 punches..
Ruslan could never catch a break in his career.

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Carl Williams vs Tim Witherspoon

1: Williams 10-9
2: Witherspoon 10-9
3: Williams 10-9
4: Witherspoon 10-9
5: Williams 10-9
6: Williams 10-9
7: Williams 10-9
8: Williams 10-9
9: Williams 10-9
10: Williams 10-9
11: Witherspoon 10-9
12: Williams 10-9

Total score: Williams 117-111

Duke, I was intrigued with this one and had to check it out, as I missed it for some reason back in '91. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Williams
Round 2: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 5: 10-9 Williams
Round 6" 10-9 Williams
Round 7: 10-9 Williams
Round 8: 10-9 Williams
Round 9: 10-9 Williams
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 12: 10-9 Williams

Total: 117-113 Williams

Duke, I had it a bit closer than you by virtue of 2 even rounds, so we were very close to identical in our scoring. Actual scores were 116-112 for Williams and two scores of 115-113 for Witherspoon, which I simply cannot make a case for even if I was bending over backwards for Tim. Williams should have felt bummed on this one because he was robbed IMO.

[DrDuke]

Duke, I had it a bit closer than you by virtue of 2 even rounds, so we were very close to identical in our scoring. Actual scores were 116-112 for Williams and two scores of 115-113 for Witherspoon, which I simply cannot make a case for even if I was bending over backwards for Tim. Williams should have felt bummed on this one because he was robbed IMO.

Yeah, it's hard to argue, that Williams objectively won that fight. He totally controlled it with the jab, he landed more shots, he landed the most damaging punches, nearly sent Witherspoon down in the 8th.

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I've always been a sucker for a Curtis Parker fight and I thought I would check out his '81 match with Wilford Scypion after seeing it first time around which I did not score. Here we go, NJ rounds basis.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Scypion
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Scypion
Round 5: Parker
Round 6: Scypion
Round 7: Scypion
Round 8: Scypion
Round 9: Parker
Round 10: Parker

Total: 5-3-2 Scypion

It wasn't the best fight. Scypion laid on Parker and held, forcing Parker to maul. It wasn't the prettiest but they got in their licks and there were so many rounds which were very close. To tell you how close, Harold Lederman scored it 6-3-1 and Harold never has an even round. The other scores were 5-4-1 and 7-2-1 all for Scypion. I think every one of us would come up with a different score on this one

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I think I'm going to get myself in a bit of trouble with this one. A bout which I actually never saw before but have heard about it for years. The first 10 rounder between Emanuel Augustus and Courtney Burton. I know we've all heard about it being a horrendous decision, but to tell you the truth, I've seen worse. The first Curtis Parker v Mustafa Hamsho and the Dwight Qawi v Ossie Ocasio 10 rounders immediately come to mind. Nevertheless, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Augustus
Round 2: 10-9 Augustus
Round 3: 10-9 Burton
Round 4: 10-9 Augustus
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Augustus
Round 8: 10-9 Burton
Round 9: 10-8 Burton (point deducted for Augustus 'spinning around')
Round 10: 10-9 Augustus

Total: 96-95 Augustus

To begin, I do believe the 'low blow' in the 2nd round should have been called a knockdown and the point deduction in the 9th was BS. If called properly my score would have been a 97-94 type score. But it is what it is. Augustus was a bit of his own worst enemy. He would start out great then go into a lull and then snap out of it with some good combos and then go into la-la land again. Meanwhile, Burton was unspectacular but steady. Referee Dan Kelly was atrocious and the judges were all over the place. 2 scores for Burton of 99-90, 97-92 and then 98-94 for Augustus. WTF?!

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Israel Vasquez v jhonny Gonzalez

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 3: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 4: 10-8 Gonzalez (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 6: 10-8 Gonzalez (scores a knockdown
Round 7: 10-8 Vasquez (scores a knockdown)
Round 8: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 9: 10-9 Vasquez
Round 10: TKO for Vasquez

Total (through 9 completed rounds): 87-82 Gonzalez

I did not have a problem with Gonzalez' corner stopping it when they did. The announcing team seemed to make a big deal out of it, but his corner likely saw the way he was breaking down gradually. And, if you look at the replay of the final knockdown, the second and third punches of Vasquez actually miss, which I did not catch in real time. He really was coming apart at the seams at the time they tossed the towel. So, good fight and good stoppage IMO.

[Woldemar]

1978-10-26 Alfonso Zamora vs Alberto Sandoval

1. Zamora 10-9
2.Zamora 10-9
3. Zamora 10-9
4. Zamora 10-9
5.Sandoval 10-9
6. Zamora 10-9
7.Sandoval 10-9

On last seconds 8th round Zamora knocked out Sandoval .Great fight.

[Nile4000]

Duke, I had it a bit closer than you by virtue of 2 even rounds, so we were very close to identical in our scoring. Actual scores were 116-112 for Williams and two scores of 115-113 for Witherspoon, which I simply cannot make a case for even if I was bending over backwards for Tim. Williams should have felt bummed on this one because he was robbed IMO.

Yeah, it's hard to argue, that Williams objectively won that fight. He totally controlled it with the jab, he landed more shots, he landed the most damaging punches, nearly sent Witherspoon down in the 8th.

Considering Tim's chin, that is amazing.

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Has anyone here checked out the Marco Antonio Barrera v Juan Manuel Marquez fight? OMG! Great fight but what a toughie to score. I always said my toughest was the Antonio Cervantes v Wilfredo Benitez 15 rounder due to subtle shifts with those two artists. But this was a slam-bang war that was equally frustrating, maybe moreso. Get ready for a head scratcher.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Barrera
Round 3: 10-9 Marquez
Round 4: 10-9 Marquez
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Barrera
Round 7: 10-8 Marquez (Marquez had a great round, but right at the end was dropped by a smoking right hand and then really purposely nailed Marquez while on the canvas - Jay Nady amazingly ruled the KD a slip and then quite rightly docks Barrera a point)
Round 8: 10-9 Barrera
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Marquez
Round 11: 10-9 Marquez
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 117-114 Marquez

Arghhh! Tissue paper-close rounds made this war infuriating to score. Actual scores were 118-109 and 116-111 (twice) all for Marquez, which does not reflect how tight this fight was. I hated to have so many evens, but this was incredibly tight. Barrera's counters were great but Marquez won it for me on aggression. But to tell you the truth, I can see someone scoring this for Barrera too. A word to the wise if watching, the HBO team are real Barrera cheerleaders. So, a grain of salt when listening

[Onetimeonly]

Excellent fight. I had it 9-3 marquez