Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
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Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
We are just two days into the brand new decade – the ’20’s, the 2020’s – and superstar Manny Pacquiao has made a massive piece of boxing history without having thrown a punch since July of last year. It was in July when the incredible Filipino southpaw dynamo won a close but fully deserved 12-round decision over an unbeaten Keith Thurman to become WBA welterweight champion.
Pacquiao is now the only fighter in boxing history to have ruled as a world champion in four seperate decades. This really is an astonishing accomplishment. It was way back in the 1990’s, in December of 1998, when Pacquiao won his first world title: the WBC flyweight crown by scoring a KO over Chatchai Sasakul. So that’s the ’90s covered. Manny was IBF super-bantamweight champ in the decade that was 2000 to 2009, also ruling in that decade as the WBC super-featherweight champ, the WBC lightweight champ and the WBO welterweight boss.
In the decade that was 2010 to 2019, Pac Man ruled as WBO welterweight champ and WBC super-welterweight champ, as well as WBA welterweight champ (secondary version). While here we are now, in the 2020s, and Pacquiao is the reigning WBA king at 147 pounds. Again, a truly amazing achievement, not to mention a sure sign of longevity, dedication, and immense passion for the sport.
So how much more can Pacquiao accomplish before he’s finally done boxing? Who knows, but plenty of fight fans are expecting to see Pac Man fight, and win, this year, maybe even next year. Now aged 41 and sporting a quite incredible 62-7-2(39) pro ledger, Manny has been a prizefighter for 25 long years (his pro debut coming on January 22nd of 1995).
When the time comes to fully and accurately write up the Manny Pacquiao story in the boxing history books, it will be written how Pac Man is in a unique and very special place all by himself.
Indeed, does Pacquiao deserve to be ranked somewhere in the top-10 greatest fighters of all-time? You could certainly make that argument.
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Pacquiao is now the only fighter in boxing history to have ruled as a world champion in four seperate decades. This really is an astonishing accomplishment. It was way back in the 1990’s, in December of 1998, when Pacquiao won his first world title: the WBC flyweight crown by scoring a KO over Chatchai Sasakul. So that’s the ’90s covered. Manny was IBF super-bantamweight champ in the decade that was 2000 to 2009, also ruling in that decade as the WBC super-featherweight champ, the WBC lightweight champ and the WBO welterweight boss.
In the decade that was 2010 to 2019, Pac Man ruled as WBO welterweight champ and WBC super-welterweight champ, as well as WBA welterweight champ (secondary version). While here we are now, in the 2020s, and Pacquiao is the reigning WBA king at 147 pounds. Again, a truly amazing achievement, not to mention a sure sign of longevity, dedication, and immense passion for the sport.
So how much more can Pacquiao accomplish before he’s finally done boxing? Who knows, but plenty of fight fans are expecting to see Pac Man fight, and win, this year, maybe even next year. Now aged 41 and sporting a quite incredible 62-7-2(39) pro ledger, Manny has been a prizefighter for 25 long years (his pro debut coming on January 22nd of 1995).
When the time comes to fully and accurately write up the Manny Pacquiao story in the boxing history books, it will be written how Pac Man is in a unique and very special place all by himself.
Indeed, does Pacquiao deserve to be ranked somewhere in the top-10 greatest fighters of all-time? You could certainly make that argument.
James Slater
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..in spite of his losses surely a true road warrior and as such I place him higher than a lot of life-time protected home town "legends"..
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in terms of record Pac is the GOAT. in his prime he was the legend killer: morales, barrera, marquez, de la hoya, cotto, mosley.
in his prime he was so phenomenal, that other atg like floyd thought he had to be on some energy pill, regarding his
extradordinary work rate, stamina, handspeed, power.
he fought in 12 divisions,
he was champion in like ~9 divisions.
at the end of his career, old, compared to other boxing legends, like leonard, ali or jones jr, who all lost a grip, he didnt, he turned time back, trained 100 % dedicated and looked in his great thurman fight like a 29 year old manny version.
when other legends fought b level or circus fights at the end of their careers, manny chosed to fight brutal punchers like matthysse or unbeaten a level opponents like thurman.
in his prime he was so phenomenal, that other atg like floyd thought he had to be on some energy pill, regarding his
extradordinary work rate, stamina, handspeed, power.
he fought in 12 divisions,
12 DIVISIONS !!!
he was champion in like ~9 divisions.
at the end of his career, old, compared to other boxing legends, like leonard, ali or jones jr, who all lost a grip, he didnt, he turned time back, trained 100 % dedicated and looked in his great thurman fight like a 29 year old manny version.
when other legends fought b level or circus fights at the end of their careers, manny chosed to fight brutal punchers like matthysse or unbeaten a level opponents like thurman.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
Definitely among the very best of all time. I consider him the Roberto Duran of this century.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
Let me be 'smart' for a moment
Manny Pacquiao has nothin on the greatest Flip boxer of all time, Flash Elorde
Manny Pacquiao has nothin on the greatest Flip boxer of all time, Flash Elorde
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Have you not heard of Sugar Ray Robinson? Or have you simply not heard of his opponents -- Henry Armstrong (hall of famer), Carmen Basilio (HoF), Gene Fullmer (HoF), Bobo Olson (HoF), Rocky Graziano (HoF), Randy Turpin (HoF), Jake LaMotta (HoF), Sammy Angott (HoF), Fritzie Zivic (HoF)?
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Manny P is definitely a future hall of famer, but at welterweight, where he has fought the majority of his career at, there are several that would have beat him just going back 2-3 decades, not even all time.drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 23:46 Definitely among the very best of all time. I consider him the Roberto Duran of this century.
In my opinion, the following boxers would have beat Manny at welter:
Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, & Ray Leonard.
Boxers with a 50-50 (or greater) chance vs Manny would be Sweet Pea, a prime Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, and J M Marquez. (JMM was arguably better based on results of 4 fights. Closeness of the first 3 and clearly in the 4th)
In today's world I think both Crawford and Spence would beat him, and Floyd did beat him.
I always thought Edwin Valero would have been a great fight for Manny as well. Pacquiao has had a great career, and over-all has records that make him one of the great champions, just not the best of all time.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
First of all Pac did NOT spend the majority of his career at welter... He spent only 17 of his 71 fights there... And Surmising over who we think might have beaten him at a given weight and given time is irrelevant and doesn’t detract from his legacy. Sure If we take a guy who started his career at flyweight ( as Manny did ) and didn’t ascend to welterweight until he was in his thirties, then we can pick any bunch of greats who were in their primes and naturals at that Weight to triumph over him.. wanna see a similar example ? Ok here goes... how about we place a past prime Tommy Hearns against a peak Michael Spinks ? Would the hitman have won a light heavyweight title then ? Pac has claimed lineage in more divisions than any other fighter in history and at age 40 is still among the p4p best. He is an ATG for the ages...Bandog wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 15:58Manny P is definitely a future hall of famer, but at welterweight, where he has fought the majority of his career at, there are several that would have beat him just going back 2-3 decades, not even all time.drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 23:46 Definitely among the very best of all time. I consider him the Roberto Duran of this century.
In my opinion, the following boxers would have beat Manny at welter:
Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, & Ray Leonard.
Boxers with a 50-50 (or greater) chance vs Manny would be Sweet Pea, a prime Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, and J M Marquez. (JMM was arguably better based on results of 4 fights. Closeness of the first 3 and clearly in the 4th)
In today's world I think both Crawford and Spence would beat him, and Floyd did beat him.
I always thought Edwin Valero would have been a great fight for Manny as well. Pacquiao has had a great career, and over-all has records that make him one of the great champions, just not the best of all time.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
When Money returns he will pick up a belt and claim the same thing. Just saying.
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Yes, he did. The Lineal 130 and a WBC-trinket along with it. Think it was about oct 98 or something. He just trashed Hernandez. Poor guy got smashed around the ring for 7-8 rounds or something before throwing in the towel. Masterclass by Mayweather.
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Floyd Mayweather is top 10 p4p all time in my opinion. We were lucky to have two great fighter like Floyd and Pac in the same era. Shame they didn’t fight earlier in their primes and preferably more than once.
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That is what Manny has a trinket. The best of them, the WBA supersomethingmoremoneyworld belt. Still one of the good trinkets sort/but not really, since you know. The WBA... happy for any boxer how gets a world trinket. A good paycheck boost. Since the sport feels to have the organized feeling of a drunk greedy rodeo clown on meth. At least during the 90s and now?drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 18:25There’s a difference between winning a plastic trinket and owning lineage.
Who is the lineal or who their one among the welters should fight for it?
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Manny was declared as the only fighter to ever hold lineage in four weight classes years ago. The trinket he currently holds is not included in that claimPaci wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 18:41That is what Manny has a trinket. The best of them, the WBA supersomethingmoremoneyworld belt. Still one of the good trinkets sort/but not really, since you know. The WBA... happy for any boxer how gets a world trinket. A good paycheck boost. Since the sport feels to have the organized feeling of a drunk greedy rodeo clown on meth. At least during the 90s and now?drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 18:25
There’s a difference between winning a plastic trinket and owning lineage.
Who is the lineal or who their one among the welters should fight for it?
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Maybe what I read was he has spent more time at welter than any other weight? He's been at welter for 12 years now I believe.drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 17:44First of all Pac did NOT spend the majority of his career at welter... He spent only 17 of his 71 fights there... And Surmising over who we think might have beaten him at a given weight and given time is irrelevant and doesn’t detract from his legacy. Sure If we take a guy who started his career at flyweight ( as Manny did ) and didn’t ascend to welterweight until he was in his thirties, then we can pick any bunch of greats who were in their primes and naturals at that Weight to triumph over him.. wanna see a similar example ? Ok here goes... how about we place a past prime Tommy Hearns against a peak Michael Spinks ? Would the hitman have won a light heavyweight title then ? Pac has claimed lineage in more divisions than any other fighter in history and at age 40 is still among the p4p best. He is an ATG for the ages...Bandog wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 15:58
Manny P is definitely a future hall of famer, but at welterweight, where he has fought the majority of his career at, there are several that would have beat him just going back 2-3 decades, not even all time.
In my opinion, the following boxers would have beat Manny at welter:
Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, & Ray Leonard.
Boxers with a 50-50 (or greater) chance vs Manny would be Sweet Pea, a prime Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, and J M Marquez. (JMM was arguably better based on results of 4 fights. Closeness of the first 3 and clearly in the 4th)
In today's world I think both Crawford and Spence would beat him, and Floyd did beat him.
I always thought Edwin Valero would have been a great fight for Manny as well. Pacquiao has had a great career, and over-all has records that make him one of the great champions, just not the best of all time.
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Re: Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
Obviously an atg fighter, probably top 20 at worst. The amount of titles mean nothing, while his record measures up to old timers the belts are insanely watered down now. Look at Sam Langford, he won no titles but he beat the equivalent of lomachenko at 35 and povetkin at heavyweight. That's being kind, he beat better than both of them!
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Good point. Winning a ton of alphabet belts doesn’t mean much. But claiming actual lineage in four classes is a unique achievement.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 20:18 Obviously an atg fighter, probably top 20 at worst. The amount of titles mean nothing, while his record measures up to old timers the belts are insanely watered down now. Look at Sam Langford, he won no titles but he beat the equivalent of lomachenko at 35 and povetkin at heavyweight. That's being kind, he beat better than both of them!
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Bouncing back from losses including Ko losses as if nothing happened is no mean feat at that level
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Are you trolling me? Manny has Five and Floyd is the one with four.drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 18:46Manny was declared as the only fighter to ever hold lineage in four weight classes years ago. The trinket he currently holds is not included in that claimPaci wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 18:41
That is what Manny has a trinket. The best of them, the WBA supersomethingmoremoneyworld belt. Still one of the good trinkets sort/but not really, since you know. The WBA... happy for any boxer how gets a world trinket. A good paycheck boost. Since the sport feels to have the organized feeling of a drunk greedy rodeo clown on meth. At least during the 90s and now?
Who is the lineal or who their one among the welters should fight for it?
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Re: Manny Pacquiao is a four-decade World Champion
I’m talking lineage not just beltsPaci wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 21:17Are you trolling me? Manny has Five and Floyd is the one with four.drunkenpiper36 wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 18:46
Manny was declared as the only fighter to ever hold lineage in four weight classes years ago. The trinket he currently holds is not included in that claim
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X2Onetimeonly wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 20:18 Obviously an atg fighter, probably top 20 at worst. The amount of titles mean nothing, while his record measures up to old timers the belts are insanely watered down now. Look at Sam Langford, he won no titles but he beat the equivalent of lomachenko at 35 and povetkin at heavyweight. That's being kind, he beat better than both of them!
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That is their count of lineal claims in different weightclasses...
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Well. In terms of record robinson makes also sense. Did he climb 12 divisions. Didnt he lost ~16 times. But he never lost in his prime. Pac fought better opponents. But robinson makes sense in terms of record or in terms of talent & skills.Lackeos wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 10:13Have you not heard of Sugar Ray Robinson? Or have you simply not heard of his opponents -- Henry Armstrong (hall of famer), Carmen Basilio (HoF), Gene Fullmer (HoF), Bobo Olson (HoF), Rocky Graziano (HoF), Randy Turpin (HoF), Jake LaMotta (HoF), Sammy Angott (HoF), Fritzie Zivic (HoF)?
Best boxer ever
Record: pac, robinson in no particular order
Talent & skills: 1) 90s jones jr,
2) 2016 lomachenko
rest: robinson, leonard, pac
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Maybe he should of said achievements instead of record but no one has come close to Manny's rise through the weight classes as world champion and his time as champion from fly weight to light middle is crazy and a world champion for over 20 years no one comes close those records not SRR ,ARMSTRONG or LOUISLackeos wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 10:13Have you not heard of Sugar Ray Robinson? Or have you simply not heard of his opponents -- Henry Armstrong (hall of famer), Carmen Basilio (HoF), Gene Fullmer (HoF), Bobo Olson (HoF), Rocky Graziano (HoF), Randy Turpin (HoF), Jake LaMotta (HoF), Sammy Angott (HoF), Fritzie Zivic (HoF)?