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Lowlight of Canelo career

Doping case
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70%
Amir Khan fight
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6%
155 catchweight
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Draw in first GGG fight
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9%
Avoiding GGG
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Other
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Cent0089
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lowlight of Canelo career

Post by Cent0089 »

For me, it was Amir Khan fight. Fighting chinny former 140 pounder, when GGG, Andrade, CHarlos and others was around is simply unexcusable. And i am big Alvarez fan. On the other side people crying about doping case too much IMO. Everybody use PED, not everybody got caught.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

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Cent0089 wrote: 07 Jan 2020, 06:28 For me, it was Amir Khan fight. Fighting chinny former 140 pounder, when GGG, Andrade, CHarlos and others was around is simply unexcusable. And i am big Alvarez fan. On the other side people crying about doping case too much IMO. Everybody use PED, not everybody got caught.
To me it is a toss-up between Khan and PEDs. One shows he avoided competitive fights that were available, the other shows he is stupid, and thought he could get away with taking PEDs.
DrDuke
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

Post by DrDuke »

Being schooled by Floyd and arguable decisions like Lara bout are his main lowlights. Golovkin bouts are doubtful achievements as well. Those were great performances by Canelo, but not enough for wins according to many observers.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

Post by gilgamesh »

The Draw for me. Bad enough when a decision goes against your favorite fighter, worse when it happens in a fight he 100% deserved the win in.

Most big fights Canelo ever has will see me rooting against him as a result of that one.
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Post by Boxerbeetle »

PEDs should automatically be the lowlight of any career :shame:
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Jan 2020, 13:06 PEDs should automatically be the lowlight of any career :shame:
Getting caught being on 'em is. Or at least people like to pretend it is.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

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picking Josesito Lopez to come up in weight (two weights basically) and dwarf him by about 25lbs in the ring, really stuck in my throat.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

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Cent0089 wrote: 07 Jan 2020, 06:28 For me, it was Amir Khan fight. Fighting chinny former 140 pounder, when GGG, Andrade, CHarlos and others was around is simply unexcusable. And i am big Alvarez fan. On the other side people crying about doping case too much IMO. Everybody use PED, not everybody got caught.

"Everybody use PED?"

Could be!

Nonito Donaire, Naoya Inoue Gennady Golovkin, Oleksandr Usyk, Joseph Parker are all strong candidates for clean fighters, but yeah, there aren't that many are there?

Until we have proper random testing we can assume that most are on drugs. Unfortunately testing is now just another way of disadvantaging the already disadvantaged. It's a safe prediction that no big name will ever again fail a drugs test.

The greasy pole gets greasier year after year for all those who don't sign with the right promoters.

Canelo's relationship with testing is just one of many suspicious aspects of his lucrative career. He could and should (as the biggest name in boxing) set the example for everyone else in the sport.

Instead he lives up to his Prima Donna role using his earning power to generate as many advantages outside and inside the ring as possible. It's not as if only he's corrupt, it's the entire sport (everyone from NSAC to Ring magazine) for not only turning 2 blind eyes but all too gratefully, droolingly accommodating him. Mayweather mark 2.

Boxing deserves better than this.

Having said all this I must admit that all the accomplishments of one Joe Calzaghe certainly look better and better as the years roll by. Joe did it the hard way and was never an insider, not even here in Britain.

I'd go further and say that Calzaghe would beat Canelo 5 times out of 10.

The other 5 would all be 'Canelo draws' of course.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

Post by Boxerbeetle »

Thomastearns wrote: 07 Jan 2020, 15:09
Cent0089 wrote: 07 Jan 2020, 06:28 For me, it was Amir Khan fight. Fighting chinny former 140 pounder, when GGG, Andrade, CHarlos and others was around is simply unexcusable. And i am big Alvarez fan. On the other side people crying about doping case too much IMO. Everybody use PED, not everybody got caught.

"Everybody use PED?"

Could be!

Nonito Donaire, Naoya Inoue Gennady Golovkin, Oleksandr Usyk, Joseph Parker are all strong candidates for clean fighters, but yeah, there aren't that many are there?

Until we have proper random testing we can assume that most are on drugs. Unfortunately testing is now just another way of disadvantaging the already disadvantaged. It's a safe prediction that no big name will ever again fail a drugs test.

The greasy pole gets greasier year after year for all those who don't sign with the right promoters.

Canelo's relationship with testing is just one of many suspicious aspects of his lucrative career. He could and should (as the biggest name in boxing) set the example for everyone else in the sport.

Instead he lives up to his Prima Donna role using his earning power to generate as many advantages outside and inside the ring as possible. It's not as if only he's corrupt, it's the entire sport (everyone from NSAC to Ring magazine) for not only turning 2 blind eyes but all too gratefully, droolingly accommodating him. Mayweather mark 2.

Boxing deserves better than this.

Having said all this I must admit that all the accomplishments of one Joe Calzaghe certainly look better and better as the years roll by. Joe did it the hard way and was never an insider, not even here in Britain.

I'd go further and say that Calzaghe would beat Canelo 5 times out of 10.

The other 5 would all be 'Canelo draws' of course.
Whaaat? Calzaghe would beat Canelo 10 times out of 10, it would be so wide that even corrupt judges couldn’t give it against him. Calzaghe would be an absolute nightmare for Canelo.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

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All those choices stink and it's hard to choose one on that basis.
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For me its losing to FLoyd 12-0 as an ATG. He is no question a great fighter but I never seen an elite fighter get shoutout 12-0. Lesser fighters have won rounds of floyd.
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world ranked wrote: 08 Jan 2020, 22:04 For me its losing to FLoyd 12-0 as an ATG. He is no question a great fighter but I never seen an elite fighter get shoutout 12-0. Lesser fighters have won rounds of floyd.
Good point and made even worse by the fact that the decision wasn't unanimous.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

Post by HYChen »

For me, it has to be the doping case.
For all the pro athletes, they should always be aware of what they take, especially for those who are making huge profits in this industry.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

Post by Autobarn »

There will be a few “lowlights”. We don’t always agree, say, on the choice of opponent. Josesito Lopez coming up two weights. But, wasn’t he replacing someone else?

One thing to bear in mind, Canelo I believe didn’t have an amateur career? So he did require a lot of learning fights. And now, in his peak, you are seeing the results. He’s getting better in with the tough competition, even if results are close, debatable or dependent to some degree on timing.

The fight I like the least is vs Lara. I have no problem with the result. I usually go for the aggressor in these type of indecisive bouts (Froch v Dirrell, DLH-Whitaker, Toney v Reggie Johnson, etc). What I don’t like is Canelo insisting the fight be over 154-pounds, despite (was it) one or both of them holding titles? In other words, Canelo, who was resisting middleweight at the time, couldn’t beat Lara fairly if the fight was at 154.

Thinking there’s been a lot of twatting about with weight and this was the most blatant example of handicapping affecting the outcome. This is why I was happy there was no weight stipulation vs Kovalev.
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Autobarn wrote: 09 Jan 2020, 07:58One thing to bear in mind, Canelo I believe didn’t have an amateur career? So he did require a lot of learning fights
Canelo competed in more amateur bouts than Anthony Joshua did.

Even though Canelo had only just turned 23 years of age when tasted defeat to Floyd Mayweather Jr., he was also unbeaten (with a 42-0-1 record), had been a world champion for almost three years, had been competing in the pro ranks for eight years, with eight world title bouts under his belt.

Having previously defeated several world champions (i.e. Miguel Vazquez (twice), Carlos Manuel Baldomir, Lovemore N'dou, Kermit Cintron, Shane Mosley & Austin Trout) and was also regarded (at the time by ESPN & The RING) as the very best fighter the 154lbs weight division had to offer, coupled with having previously headlined several PPV events.

How many fighters achieve as many feats as that before reaching their 23rd birthday? As far as I’m concerned, it’s a rare achievement.

It’s a myth that Canelo’s handlers progressed his career slowly.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

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I don't think many remember Alfonso Gomez boxing his ears off until the ref rush stopped it after canelos first hard shot. Shows how much he's improved.
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Re: lowlight of Canelo career

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Onetimeonly wrote: 09 Jan 2020, 11:02 I don't think many remember Alfonso Gomez boxing his ears off until the ref rush stopped it after canelos first hard shot. Shows how much he's improved.
Canelo decked Gomez in the first round. HBO only gave Gomez one round, though they considered Alfonso being competitive. And the official judges only gave Gomez one round.

Canelo won the fight after landing thirteen unanswered blows (though some of them were admittedly glancing), compelling the ref to stop the bout. Put it this way, the referee had to hold up Gomez because he was buzzed to the point he was unable to walk (since he fell into the ropes and it was only the ref that stopped him falling).

I think you need to watch the fight again and re-evaluate your perception of the bout. :o
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