Josh Taylor signs with arum.

[Onetimeonly]

This sets up an undisputed bout with Ramirez and the winner gives Crawford a big fight. Cyclone making waves that this could end up in court. Good news?

[Duran1970]

This sets up nothing..if you knew how uncle Bob works..
Taylor or Ramirez isn't a big fight for Crawford..people will still chirp for bud to fight a true ww belt holder.. not another smaller opponent moving up..

[lazboy]

So Taylor v M Garcia may not happen then....

[margaret thatcher]

So Taylor v M Garcia may not happen then....

Was it ever? Mikey seems to specialize these days in weird fights that make no sense

[lazboy]

So Taylor v M Garcia may not happen then....

Was it ever? Mikey seems to specialize these days in weird fights that make no sense

It really came to my mind only now but seems like a great fight for both. Garcia is no welterweight and Taylor is big enough and good enough to pose a challenge.

Plus both had and have fights on Dazn. Think Garcia only has one atm.

[margaret thatcher]

Mikey will probably fight Jack Culcay at a catchweight next or something weird like that

[lazboy]

Mikey will probably fight Jack Culcay at a catchweight next or something weird like that

Lol. I have a serious prediction about his next fight, whoever he fights and however he goes in the round after the bell he’ll raise and shake his right hand in the air - that way Judges will know he won it.

[Onetimeonly]

This sets up nothing..if you knew how uncle Bob works..
Taylor or Ramirez isn't a big fight for Crawford..people will still chirp for bud to fight a true ww belt holder.. not another smaller opponent moving up..

Why would I care about what people whine about? Nothing Crawford does will stop eo's tears, but 2 of the 4 fighters to ever hold all four belts simultaneously ,meeting as unbeaten champions is a big deal.

[Enlightened-One]

Bob Arum very recently claimed that he considered the likes of Ramirez, Taylor and Prograis as potential future opponents for Terence Crawford.

Also, the 140lbs weight division lacks PBC fighters, with the majority of the top-ten being either network free agents (i.e. Regis Prograis, Ivan Baranchyk, Viktor Postol, Kiryl Relikh & Subriel Matias) or already affiliated directly or indirectly with Top Rank (i.e. Josh Taylor, Jose Ramirez, Jose Zepeda, Arnold Barboza & Jack Catterall).

That being said, if Josh Taylor considers his long-term future at 147lbs, then regardless as to whether or not he eventually becomes good enough to dethrone Terence Crawford, then he’s chosen to significantly reduce his long-term options at welterweight by signing with Top Rank, as he’ll be unable to face any of the PBC stable.

[apollo creed]

This sets up nothing..if you knew how uncle Bob works..
Taylor or Ramirez isn't a big fight for Crawford..people will still chirp for bud to fight a true ww belt holder.. not another smaller opponent moving up..

True.

Indeed. TC should fight a true top welter like Porter, Spence, Ugas or D. Garcia.

[ewenhay]

This sets up nothing..if you knew how uncle Bob works..
Taylor or Ramirez isn't a big fight for Crawford..people will still chirp for bud to fight a true ww belt holder.. not another smaller opponent moving up..

Why would I care about what people whine about? Nothing Crawford does will stop eo's tears, but 2 of the 4 fighters to ever hold all four belts simultaneously ,meeting as unbeaten champions is a big deal.

Absolutely.

I'd rather watch that than Crawford against the likes of Danny Garcia who is barely relevant these days. Also, Taylor is a big lww and will surely fight at welter soon.

[Enlightened-One]

Why would I care about what people whine about? Nothing Crawford does will stop eo's tears, but 2 of the 4 fighters to ever hold all four belts simultaneously ,meeting as unbeaten champions is a big deal.

Absolutely.

I'd rather watch that than Crawford against the likes of Danny Garcia who is barely relevant these days. Also, Taylor is a big lww and will surely fight at welter soon.

A fighter like Terence Crawford cannot establish a legacy at welterweight by competing against 140lb-ers like Ramirez, Taylor and Prograis.

I’m sorry if my words deeply offend you guys, but perhaps I’m a bit too "old skool" for your liking, because I feel that world champions at welterweight should predominantly compete against established 147lb-ers.

Perhaps I’m being unreasonable? Maybe we should ignore weight classes altogether and allow AJ to defend his titles against cruiserweights?

[Onetimeonly]

Why would I care about what people whine about? Nothing Crawford does will stop eo's tears, but 2 of the 4 fighters to ever hold all four belts simultaneously ,meeting as unbeaten champions is a big deal.

Absolutely.

I'd rather watch that than Crawford against the likes of Danny Garcia who is barely relevant these days. Also, Taylor is a big lww and will surely fight at welter soon.

No question, Spence is the only Crawford fight I'd rather see than the winner of that.

[IKSRTFO]

This sets up nothing..if you knew how uncle Bob works..
Taylor or Ramirez isn't a big fight for Crawford..people will still chirp for bud to fight a true ww belt holder.. not another smaller opponent moving up..

True.

Indeed. TC should fight a true top welter like Porter, Spence, Ugas or D. Garcia.

Ugas or D. Garcia? Guys who also moved up

[apollo creed]

True.

Indeed. TC should fight a true top welter like Porter, Spence, Ugas or D. Garcia.

Ugas or D. Garcia? Guys who also moved up

Floyd moved up, Canelo moved up, up, Pacquiao moved up, Porter moved up, etc, etc.

The thing is Ugas and Garcia are proven and tested at the ww elite level.

[IKSRTFO]

Ugas or D. Garcia? Guys who also moved up

Floyd moved up, Canelo moved up, up, Pacquiao moved up, Porter moved up, etc, etc.

The thing is Ugas and Garcia are proven and tested at the ww elite level.

And Josh Taylor is moving up.

[Enlightened-One]

So is that the new acceptable forum standard then?

The world welterweight champion is allowed to engage in a seemingly endless series of world title defences against guys that have only just made the jump from 140lbs (as per Bob Arum’s plans for Crawford to face the likes of Ramirez, Taylor and Prograis)?

These contenders don’t need to even bother to establishing themselves in their new weight class in order to be regarded as credible title challengers ?

Any other fighter not named Terence Crawford that had the sheer audacity to do this would be ridiculed!

[jujigatame]

Short term this is great news as Taylor vs. Ramirez is a huge fight.

Long term maybe not so much, as I wouldn't consider the winner of that fight a particularly good challenger for TC. Maybe about as good as Danny Garcia would have been.

[IKSRTFO]

So is that the new acceptable forum standard then?

The world welterweight champion is allowed to engage in a seemingly endless series of world title defences against guys that have only just made the jump from 140lbs (as per Bob Arum’s plans for Crawford to face the likes of Ramirez, Taylor and Prograis)?

These contenders don’t need to even bother to establishing themselves in their new weight class in order to be regarded as credible title challengers ?

Any other fighter not named Terence Crawford that had the sheer audacity to do this would be ridiculed!

Like when Jermall Charlo does it? Like when Spence did?

[Enlightened-One]

Short term this is great news as Taylor vs. Ramirez is a huge fight.

Long term maybe not so much, as I wouldn't consider the winner of that fight a particularly good challenger for TC. Maybe about as good as Danny Garcia would have been.

Yeah, I agree.

To be fair, thirteen of Danny Garcia’s bouts were against current/future/former world champions, which includes the likes of: Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, Erik Morales (twice), Amir Khan, Zab Judah, Lucas Martin Matthysse, Lamont Peterson, Paul Malignaggi, Robert Guerrero, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios and Shawn Porter.

He’s also contested nine world title bouts (three at 147lbs, with the remainder at 140lbs). Danny is also ranked in sixth in the welterweight division by both The RING and ESPN

Therefore, Danny Garcia is vastly more qualified to face Terence Crawford at welterweight than Josh Taylor is.

[Enlightened-One]

So is that the new acceptable forum standard then?

The world welterweight champion is allowed to engage in a seemingly endless series of world title defences against guys that have only just made the jump from 140lbs (as per Bob Arum’s plans for Crawford to face the likes of Ramirez, Taylor and Prograis)?

These contenders don’t need to even bother to establishing themselves in their new weight class in order to be regarded as credible title challengers ?

Any other fighter not named Terence Crawford that had the sheer audacity to do this would be ridiculed!

Like when Jermall Charlo does it? Like when Spence did?

I’m not suggesting that world champions cannot occasionally defend their belts against guys that only recently campaigned in a lower weight class. The likes of Errol Spence Jr. and Jermall Charlo tend to do it as a one-off, rather than the norm.

Bob Arum’s plans, however, is for Crawford to face his big-name 140lb-ers, because he won’t try to make fights against Al Haymon’s top welterweights.

And to make matters worse, Terence Crawford knew for certain beforehand, in fact everyone did, that extending his contract with Top Rank would place himself in a predicament where he wouldn’t be able to face any credible welterweights.

And this is precisely what’s happened!

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Chris algieri
Lamont peterson
Mikey garcia

Were all fairly new to the 147 weight class when spence fought them


Crawford has had 4 147 fights

Khan has been an established 147 for years

Jeff horn as well

Kaval as well

Benavidez was newer to the 147 class

[IKSRTFO]

Like when Jermall Charlo does it? Like when Spence did?

I’m not suggesting that world champions cannot occasionally defend their belts against guys that only recently campaigned in a lower weight class. The likes of Errol Spence Jr. and Jermall Charlo tend to do it as a one-off, rather than the norm.

Bob Arum’s plans, however, is for Crawford to face his big-name 140lb-ers, because he won’t try to make fights against Al Haymon’s top welterweights.

And to make matters worse, Terence Crawford knew for certain beforehand, in fact everyone did, that extending his contract with Top Rank would place himself in a predicament where he wouldn’t be able to face any credible welterweights.

And this is precisely what’s happened!

No, you're 100 percent incorrect. Kavalaskius, Benevidez and Horn were legit welters who didn't move up. Khan is a legit welter at this point and moved up years ago. Taylor would be the only welter Crawford has fought that legit would've moved up from 140.

[Enlightened-One]

Chris algieri
Lamont peterson
Mikey garcia

Were all fairly new to the 147 weight class when spence fought them

You need to lean how to perform research…

Lamont Peterson was the WBA world welterweight champion when he fought Errol Spence Jr. and he hadn’t campaigned at 140lbs for 3½ years. Also, Lamont was more experienced at 147lbs than Jose Benavidez Jr. was when he faced Crawford.

When Chris Algieri faced Errol Spence Jr., he hadn’t campaigned at 140lbs for two years and he had previously faced the likes of Manny Pacquiao and Amir Khan at welterweight. 'The Truth' was merely a contender/prospect when he faced Algieri.

The Mikey Garcia fight for Errol Spence Jr. was a one-off, but at least 'The Truth' was receiving a career-high payday to headline a PPV event in order to face an unbeaten four-weight world champion that previously faced ten world champions, as well as having engaged in eight world title bouts.

Jeff Horn has never beaten a credible top-ten world-rated opponent at welterweight, because his so-called victory over Manny Pacquiao was widely-regarded as a robbery.

Amir Khan and Jose Benavidez Jr. both weren’t considered top-ten world-rated welterweights when they faced Crawford. And Kavaliauskas was only rated 10th at the time he faced Bud.

Anyway, you're missing the point. Bob Arum is essentially planning to pit Crawford against Top Rank's biggest name 140lb-ers, because he can't or won't try to make fights against any of the PBC welterweights.

[IKSRTFO]

Chris algieri
Lamont peterson
Mikey garcia

Were all fairly new to the 147 weight class when spence fought them

You need to lean how to perform research…

Lamont Peterson was the WBA world welterweight champion when he fought Errol Spence Jr. and he hadn’t campaigned at 140lbs for 3½ years.

When Chris Algieri faced Errol Spence Jr., he hadn’t campaigned at 140lbs for two years and he had previously faced the likes of Manny Pacquiao and Amir Khan at welterweight.

The Mikey Garcia fight for Errol Spence Jr. was a one-off, but at least 'The Truth' was receiving a career-high payday to headline a PPV event in order to face an unbeaten four-weight world champion that previously faced ten world champions during the course of eight world title bouts.

Anyway, you're missing the point. Bob Arum is essentially planning to pit Crawford against the biggest name 140lb-ers, because he can't or won't try to make fights against any of the PBC welterweights.

No, he's pitting Crawford against (1) of the biggest name 140lbers. Crawford has not fought another legit 140lber since moving up.