Danny Garcia: “I'm A Hall Of Fame Fighter - Right Now!”

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Someone tell me, why should GGG get inducted (I assume most would agree he should) if Garcia shouldn't?

Because we count his wba regular title defenses and his theoretical wins. Pay attention.

[margaret thatcher]

I'm not really so sure he'd get in. I don't get the impression that he's rated all that highly by the general media and the people who vote, or is that popular among them.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Maybe not. Corrales and casamayor had similar careers and they werent even on the ballot until this year

[Bandog]

Was Lucas a big favourite for that fight?

The ‘Sports Bet Listings’ website gave Garcia a 31.7% chance to win the fight, with Matthysse considerd the 71.9% favourite to emerge victorious, which is based on the aggregated perception of multiple betting sites.

The mighty Matthysse, yes I remember. Many thought Floyd would run from a fight with Matthysse too...until DG beat him.

[margaret thatcher]

Ah yes, poorly treated Floyd

[margaret thatcher]

TBF though, blasting out Pete like that was a hell of a win that no one has come close to even since, even not Spence vs a bit shopworn Pete. Lucas at least had some substance with that result. It's one of those cases where, even though the guy was overrated, he was still quite good

[boxing_rocks]

Danny Garcia: “I'm A Hall Of Fame Fighter - Right Now!”

No

[Ruthless-RKO]

TBF though, blasting out Pete like that was a hell of a win that no one has come close to even since, even not Spence vs a bit shopworn Pete. Lucas at least had some substance with that result. It's one of those cases where, even though the guy was overrated, he was still quite good

What about Lipinets? Retired him.

[boxing_rocks]

He lost to Herrera.

[margaret thatcher]

TBF though, blasting out Pete like that was a hell of a win that no one has come close to even since, even not Spence vs a bit shopworn Pete. Lucas at least had some substance with that result. It's one of those cases where, even though the guy was overrated, he was still quite good

What about Lipinets? Retired him.

One an early rounds destruction, the other a come from behind last round stoppage

[margaret thatcher]

He lost to Herrera.

Maybe, but even then he's got a lot of good wins

[DrDuke]

His resume has a lot of impressive names and results, but it's much better on the paper, than it actually is. Anyway, he's a top fighter of his era.

[lazboy]

He’s no doubt a very good fighter. I had him beating Porter with a quality vs quantity argument. He seriously needs a jab though as he doesn’t exactly set a blistering pace with other punches thrown.

To me he gives all the top fighters a go. I could see him giving problems to Spence, even to Crawford with his patient counter punchers approach much like Crawford’s last opponents. Crawford though should defeat him.

I wouldn’t like him to rest on his laurels as he’s still at a prime age and could achieve much more. Up to him whether he is satisfied but at this time he’s not evoking excitement.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Thurman fight was considered a 50-50 in my eyes.

Was DG favourite against Porter?

[Bandog]

I wish Al Haymon would offer Crawford a big fight vs Danny Garcia. Hell, even a fight with Kell Brook would be good. Or Ugas, Virgil Ortiz Jr., Ennis. Plenty of good fights to make. Why not Pac? If DG wants a PPV fight, it has to be Crawford or Pac.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I wish Al Haymon would offer Crawford a big fight vs Danny Garcia. Hell, even a fight with Kell Brook would be good. Or Ugas, Virgil Ortiz Jr., Ennis. Plenty of good fights to make. Why not Pac? If DG wants a PPV fight, it has to be Crawford or Pac.

The Spence fight was supposed to be PPV this month, obviously we know what happened there.

[Enlightened-One]

I wish Al Haymon would offer Crawford a big fight vs Danny Garcia.

It’s not Al Haymon’s responsibility to orchestrate a big fight for Terence Crawford. There are plenty of PBC fighters competing at 147lbs that Danny Garcia is able to earn a decent payday against.

It isn’t Al Haymon’s fault that Bob Arum’s stable of welterweights is almost non-existent, to the point that Top Rank are planning to pit Crawford against several 140lb-ers in th near future.

And let’s not forget that Top Rank have agreed to paying Crawford a guaranteed minimum of $3m per bout, with Terence’s PPV events performing rather badly (i.e. 150K against Khan; and 55K for the Postol bout).

So I don’t think there’s enough PPV revenue potential to justify paying massive paydays for Crawford to face any highly-paid big-name PBC counterparts (i.e. splitting the TV and gate receipt revenue between promoters and networks, after paying all expenses).

[DrDuke]

The Thurman fight was considered a 50-50 in my eyes.

Was DG favourite against Porter?

As far as I remember, he was. I also picked him then. But Porter handled him clearly.

[Impractical Poster]

With current standards, Garcia is correct. He could retire now and get in. Whether he deserves 1st ballot is another discussion.

[margaret thatcher]

He could. Depends who the other guys on the ballot are. I imagine each passing year they are eligible a fighter's HOF potential will drop a bit as their career becomes more distant?

[Impractical Poster]

He could. Depends who the other guys on the ballot are. I imagine each passing year they are eligible a fighter's HOF potential will drop a bit as their career becomes more distant?

I assumed it was the opposite.

[margaret thatcher]

I'd say most fighters their best shot is in the first few years they are on. Garcia might get in in a weak year, but he's not exactly the type of guy I'd be confident on. He has a lot of contemporaries who are accomplished and more popular among boxing media I think. People always mention weak cases like Gatti, but he's not on the ballot vs Gatti.

[Bandog]

I wish Al Haymon would offer Crawford a big fight vs Danny Garcia.

It’s not Al Haymon’s responsibility to orchestrate a big fight for Terence Crawford. There are plenty of PBC fighters competing at 147lbs that Danny Garcia is able to earn a decent payday against.

It isn’t Al Haymon’s fault that Bob Arum’s stable of welterweights is almost non-existent, to the point that Top Rank are planning to pit Crawford against several 140lb-ers in th near future.

And let’s not forget that Top Rank have agreed to paying Crawford a guaranteed minimum of $3m per bout, with Terence’s PPV events performing rather badly (i.e. 150K against Khan; and 55K for the Postol bout).

So I don’t think there’s enough PPV revenue potential to justify paying massive paydays for Crawford to face any highly-paid big-name PBC counterparts (i.e. splitting the TV and gate receipt revenue between promoters and networks, after paying all expenses).

I am not talking about Haymon orchestrating a fight for Crawford, but it is his job to orchestrate a big fight for Danny Garcia. Its all about boxing politics when they want it to be.

[Enlightened-One]

It’s not Al Haymon’s responsibility to orchestrate a big fight for Terence Crawford. There are plenty of PBC fighters competing at 147lbs that Danny Garcia is able to earn a decent payday against.

It isn’t Al Haymon’s fault that Bob Arum’s stable of welterweights is almost non-existent, to the point that Top Rank are planning to pit Crawford against several 140lb-ers in th near future.

And let’s not forget that Top Rank have agreed to paying Crawford a guaranteed minimum of $3m per bout, with Terence’s PPV events performing rather badly (i.e. 150K against Khan; and 55K for the Postol bout).

So I don’t think there’s enough PPV revenue potential to justify paying massive paydays for Crawford to face any highly-paid big-name PBC counterparts (i.e. splitting the TV and gate receipt revenue between promoters and networks, after paying all expenses).

I am not talking about Haymon orchestrating a fight for Crawford, but it is his job to orchestrate a big fight for Danny Garcia. Its all about boxing politics when they want it to be.

In reality, it’s really about money.

The problem with cross-promotional-cross-network bouts is that the money pot has to be distributed to more parties than the usual one network-one promoter events.

Think of it as a pie. More slices would need to be cut, since more parties are involved, as they’re all contractually entitled to receiving their share.

If the pie isn’t big enough, these parties will likely choose a different one, even if it's smaller, if it means they’ll receive a bigger portion, due to having to cut fewer slices.

Terence Crawford’s PPV figures are unimpressive, the same applies to the non-PPV events he headlines (in comparison to the PBC's numbers achieved by Fox), which means he doesn’t provide a particularly big pie, due to the limited amount of ingredients he's able to supply.

And the Top Rank fighter also brings along with him the financial burden of being contractually obliged to receiving a guaranteed minimum $3m payday per bout. So he’s going to demand a very large slice of the pie, a bigger portion than the one dished to him during his previous meal!

This financial conundrum falls under the realms of “boxing politics”, since the head honchos of the networks and promoters seldom admit there’s not enough money in it for them to justify the staging of these rarely-occurring cross-promotional cross-network bouts, regardless as to whether or not their fighters are satisfied with the payday being offered.

Danny Garcia (and more importantly those that have a vested financial interest in him), can very likely earn more money engaging in bouts against fellow PBC stablemates, since the pie would be cut into fewer slices, meaing they'll receive larger portions.

And let’s not forget that the PBC roster is stacked with big-name welterweights, but Top Rank only has Terence Crawford.

This means that Danny Garcia has lots of decent-sized pies to choose from, whereas Terence Crawford has very few (unless he opts to cook pies formulated using the 140lbs recipe).

[Paci]

Garcia could fight Crawford and prove himself instead of bragging about it. Crawford is top dog. Easy way to the HoF.