BWAA Fighter of the Decade: Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[margaret thatcher]

That calls for the classic

[margaret thatcher]

Checking Zab's record I had forgotten that he got stopped in 5 by Amir Khan, I don't remember that fight at all but I must've watched it

TBH, I think Khan has wins up there witH Zab's, I'm sure he'll have 10 losses too if he fights on much longer. They got similar dancing

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Im stunned some people think zab judah is a hall of famer.

Gatti is in for special reasons. It doesnt matter judah was better than him head to head.

Judahs best win is cory spinks whom he also lost too. He won titles but with the proliferation of titles that isnt such a huge deal hof wise.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Do hof fighters get beat up by clottey and baldozar while in their prime?

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, he's boarderline at best. Floyd has an awesome resume, no need to puff up Zab beyond what he was

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Yeah floyds resume is great. I think eo took issue with me saying floyd was a world class matchmaker for himself too.

[margaret thatcher]

If people wanna go by Gatti's or Vit's accomplishments I'd put at least this many current guys in the HOF discussion. I just hate the whole 'worst guy' standard people always seem to use

AJ
Wilder
Usyk
Dort-Breidis winner
Leb (since he only just retired I'll stick him here anyway)
Gassiev
Canelo
Kov
Pascal
GGG
Jermall
Lara
Pac
Thurman
Spence
Porter
D Garcia
Mikey
Taylor
Broner
Loma
LSC
Frampton
Nery
Ioka
Inoue
Donaire
Casimero
Gonzales
JF Estrada
Sor
Nietes
Mthalane
Tanaka
Shiro

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

It is ridiculous that someone would not realize gatti is in because he was a hugely popular attraction and in several fights of the year.

So yeah i agree wholeheartedly

[Finkel]

Just out of curiosity how many times did Mayweather fight on the road?

I know the U.S. is a big country, but I mean overseas.

I assume as fighter of the decade he did it at least once. Is that right?

[lazboy]

Just out of curiosity how many times did Mayweather fight on the road?

I know the U.S. is a big country, but I mean overseas.

I assume as fighter of the decade he did it at least once. Is that right?

Have you forgotten his war with Tenshin in Tenshins backyard?

[RonnyJ]

Just out of curiosity how many times did Mayweather fight on the road?

I know the U.S. is a big country, but I mean overseas.

I assume as fighter of the decade he did it at least once. Is that right?

Have you forgotten his war with Tenshin in Tenshins backyard?

hahaha....that was funny.

[RonnyJ]

Just out of curiosity how many times did Mayweather fight on the road?

I know the U.S. is a big country, but I mean overseas.

I assume as fighter of the decade he did it at least once. Is that right?

hometown descisions, never boxing elsewhere, ducking top opponents who were prime. cant become 1 decade with these points.

pac is top, he fought in macao, australia, usa. he fought taller stronger opponents, he said 10000 times floyd lets fight, floyd said to pac lets not fight, i give you 1000 reasons not to fight.

[Enlightened-One]

Im stunned some people think zab judah is a hall of famer.

Judahs best win is cory spinks whom he also lost too. He won titles but with the proliferation of titles that isnt such a huge deal hof wise.

Zab Judah was the first fighter to ever defeat Lucas Matthysse, which was at a time when the forum considered the Argentine a big deal. The American beat several other world champions too.

Can you name any currently active fighter not named Manny Pacquiao that has the following credentials?

19 world title bouts, fought 15 world champions, a world champion at 140lbs, a three-time world champion at 147lbs, a RING Magazine champion, a top-ten pound-for-pounder, an undisputed champion at welterweight and the list of accomplishments goes on-and-on.

If the above facts shouldn’t be considered as being a “huge deal”, then surely a resume like Judah’s should be commonplace.

Is this what you genuinely believe?

[margaret thatcher]

All those labels but when you list his wins and losses he's boarderline at best. He squeaked by Lucas then got knocked out in 5 by Amir Khan

His best win might be Cory Spinks. Lost to every guy he faced who would have put him at another level for hall contention, lost all his big fights. He was bested by Josh Clottey and Baldomir and Spinks while he was in or close to his prime. Never had a long sustained dominant run or anything like that to make up for it.

I mean he had a really good career, but I think there's been a bit of dressing him up here

[Enlightened-One]

Yeah floyds resume is great. I think eo took issue with me saying floyd was a world class matchmaker for himself too.

I didn’t take issue with anything you wrote, but it would have been categorically impossible for Floyd to have achieved as much as he has done if he always chose the easiest career path (by ducking the toughest challenges).

[Enlightened-One]

All those labels but when you list his wins and losses he's boarderline at best. He squeaked by Lucas then got knocked out in 5 by Amir Khan

His best win might be Cory Spinks. Lost to every guy he faced who would have put him at another level for hall contention, lost all his big fights. He was bested by Josh Clottey and Baldomir and Spinks while he was in or close to his prime. Never had a long sustained dominant run or anything like that to make up for it.

I mean he had a really good career, but I think there's been a bit of dressing him up here

There was nothing controversial about Zab Judah’s victory over Lucas Matthysse. ESPN awarded the fight 115-112 to the 33 year old past-his-prime American. It was certainly no robbery. And I actually watched the fight rather than simply reading his BoxRec resume.

You also keep citing the Amir Khan loss, but this was towards the tail end of his career (or at least when he was no longer considered anywhere near his prime).

I personally feel that we should refrain from dismissing the legacies of fighters based purely on the losses they suffer when they’re no longer at their best.

Anyway, it’s clearly your prerogative to consider Zab Judah as not being worthy of being included in the IBHoF voting poll.

In five years time though, he’ll definitely be included in the list of IBHoF nominees and who knows, he might even gain enough votes to be inducted, because he’s achieved a lot more than several Hall-of-Famers.

19 world title bouts, fought 15 world champions, a world champion at 140lbs, a three-time world champion at 147lbs, a RING Magazine champion, a top-ten pound-for-pounder, an undisputed champion at welterweight and the list of accomplishments goes on-and-on.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol did I say no one scored the fight for him bruh? Not at all, and it was certainly a close hard fight for him, just like Devon Alexander's win over Lucas was.

Of course even before the Khan loss he lost to Baldomir, Clottey, Spinks, and he lost all his big fights. He had good but not great wins and some not very good losses, with one of them being the single most memorable moment of his career.

He is far more along the lines of rivals like Cory Spinks (maybe his best win) and conqueror Amir Khan than he is the HOF bound fighters who knocked him out or beat him widely.

Very nice career, and he may get on the ballot, but I'm not optimistic that he ever gets in and his case is on the fringes at most. You can cite the worst guys in the hall already, but he's not going against them and there are loads of guys even just active today who should be in by that measure.

[Enlightened-One]

Just out of curiosity how many times did Mayweather fight on the road?

I know the U.S. is a big country, but I mean overseas.

I assume as fighter of the decade he did it at least once. Is that right?

Should Floyd have taken a pay cut in order to have satisfied your curiosity to see him compete overseas?

The same applies to the likes of the prime versions of Roy Jones Jr., James Toney. Andre Ward, Evander Holyfield etc.

Are the legacies of these American greats tarnished because they refrained from competing overseas during their primes?

[margaret thatcher]

Of course, American cowards!!

[RonnyJ]

Yeah floyds resume is great. I think eo took issue with me saying floyd was a world class matchmaker for himself too.

I didn’t take issue with anything you wrote, but it would have been categorically impossible for Floyd to have achieved as much as he has done if he always chose the easiest career path (by ducking the toughest challenges).

One of the main reasons he became a superstar was because of his behaviour outside the ring, not inside the ring.

Had he not made his money persona most wouldnt have cared, as fans did when he wad just prety boy.

Add the win over oscar and suddenly even by boxing b level he had the attention of fans.

Oscar made Floyd.

[RonnyJ]

Just out of curiosity how many times did Mayweather fight on the road?

I know the U.S. is a big country, but I mean overseas.

I assume as fighter of the decade he did it at least once. Is that right?

Should Floyd have taken a pay cut in order to have satisfied your curiosity to see him compete overseas?

The same applies to the likes of the prime versions of Roy Jones Jr., James Toney. Andre Ward, Evander Holyfield etc.

Are the legacies of these American greats tarnished because they refrained from competing overseas during their primes?

Yes.

If a german promoter had put a huge chunk of money on the table, having jones as the a side in a 70/30 split, why not jones boxing michalchewski in germany.

Is it called world champion or usa champion?
So you got to fight worldwide or at least not be totaly against it.

[margaret thatcher]

Pretty much all his notable wins were over guys based in the USA for years. America has pretty much always been a global fight market when it comes to the absolute big names of the sport.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Zabs record is 11 and 8 in title fights

Hes 6-9 against world title holders

Matthyse and cory spinks are good wins. Baldomir is a horrendous loss. Being stopped by josh clottey is a bad loss too

To each their own i suppose

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- No surprise after Manny emasculated Floyd in 2010 by knocking him out of his March 13th, 2010 date at the MGM and in 2015 with the USADA/Vegas backdated TUE for Floyd, and thus emasculating by extension American Boxing Writers. Manny was now persona non grata.

Ring selected him 3x for the 2000s and Floyd 1x and neither for the 2010s. BWAA replicated Ring for the 2000s, but selected Floyd 2x in the 2010s.

Manny's average opponent record for the decade was 35-2 with 7 P4P/HOF opponents vs 30-2-1, for Floyd with 4 P4P/HOF, and during the decade Manny continued to extend his already record Ring P4P fights and longevity. He entered the decade rated and left rated in spite of his overexposure to higher rated opponents while serving in the National Congress that limited his fights and training.

Bottomline, this is the way Floyd and his candied dilettantes will be remembered at the end of the decade after he fled Japan squallin' for his daddy again saying he wasn't fighting banty Tenshin-



This is the way Manny left the decade-

[Paci]

I don't mind if he gets the decade moniker. Not fighting Manny during the time he was with Alex Ariza, makes sense. Since Ariza gave Khan a chin among other things. Best in the business on pumping up guys and not get caught.

Solid record, people could whine about who he didn't fight and so on. Mayweather played the game for himself and got money in the bank.
He would beat Manny again, and I do think he would have handle him without problems in the early 2010s. Again, Manny was overpowered with Ariza around him.