Jacobs
Derevyanchenko
Murray (very underrated win b/c Murray pretty much beat Martinez&Sturm before)
Lemieux
Murata, Eubank Jr and Munguia could be good fights for Golovkin at his age.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39 Gennady Golovkin has emerged victorious in 21 world middleweight title bouts but has only defeated eight fighters that were rated amongst the top-ten by The RING and ESPN, with only four of them rated in the top five.
These include:
• Daniel Jacobs (3rd)
• Daniel Geale (3rd)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (5th)
• David Lemieux (5th)
• Martin Murray (7th)
• Matthew Macklin (7th)
• Marco Antonio Rubio (8th)
• Grzegorz Proksa (10th)
I’d say that the Daniel Jacobs bout was Golovkin’s best “win”, though the decision could have gone either way (the same applies for the Derevyanchenko fight).
It could easily be argued that Golovkin’s career-best performance was delivered in the first Canelo bout.
I hate to say this, but if GGG faces the likes of Canelo, Jacobs or Derevyanchenko this year, then I’d favour all three guys to beat the current iteration of Golovkin.
GGG has been a fantastic fighter to watch, because his bouts are always action-packed and highly-enjoyable, but unfortunately his best days are behind him.
Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.
8 out of 21 is actually not that bad I think, considering how the ABC rankings are, but what's most striking is that guys like David Lemieux were as high as 5th. The division simply was pretty weak for a lot of GGG's time.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39 Gennady Golovkin has emerged victorious in 21 world middleweight title bouts but has only defeated eight fighters that were rated amongst the top-ten by The RING and ESPN, with only four of them rated in the top five.
These include:
• Daniel Jacobs (3rd)
• Daniel Geale (3rd)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (5th)
• David Lemieux (5th)
• Martin Murray (7th)
• Matthew Macklin (7th)
• Marco Antonio Rubio (8th)
• Grzegorz Proksa (10th)
I’d say that the Daniel Jacobs bout was Golovkin’s best “win”, though the decision could have gone either way (the same applies for the Derevyanchenko fight).
It could easily be argued that Golovkin’s career-best performance was delivered in the first Canelo bout.
I hate to say this, but if GGG faces the likes of Canelo, Jacobs or Derevyanchenko this year, then I’d favour all three guys to beat the current iteration of Golovkin.
GGG has been a fantastic fighter to watch, because his bouts are always action-packed and highly-enjoyable, but unfortunately his best days are behind him.
Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.
I agree. Those would be well-paid relatively low-risk bouts for the current past-his-prime version of Golovkin.apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 11:23Murata, Eubank Jr and Munguia could be good fights for Golovkin at his age.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.
I'm not a fanboy of GGG at all. At f*cking all. I even rooted for Canelo both times. But just because he's younger, learning, future of boxing, etc. Yet Canelo lost twice.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:16 Lol, I'll give you that he deserved the first Canelo fight, but Canelo absolutely won the 2nd legit, come on fanbois
GGG outlanded Canelo in the second bout, while he totally outjabbed him. I don't know, based on what Canelo can be picked.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:19 Nah, Canelo won the 2nd fight for sure.
Also I wouldn't have Ouma in the top 5, Ouma was well shopworn and small for the weight. Plus GGG did not look good, though it has been exaggerated how tough the fight was for him.
Actually when G fought Lemieux the mw division was stacked!margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 11:348 out of 21 is actually not that bad I think, considering how the ABC rankings are, but what's most striking is that guys like David Lemieux were as high as 5th. The division simply was pretty weak for a lot of GGG's time.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39 Gennady Golovkin has emerged victorious in 21 world middleweight title bouts but has only defeated eight fighters that were rated amongst the top-ten by The RING and ESPN, with only four of them rated in the top five.
These include:
• Daniel Jacobs (3rd)
• Daniel Geale (3rd)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (5th)
• David Lemieux (5th)
• Martin Murray (7th)
• Matthew Macklin (7th)
• Marco Antonio Rubio (8th)
• Grzegorz Proksa (10th)
I’d say that the Daniel Jacobs bout was Golovkin’s best “win”, though the decision could have gone either way (the same applies for the Derevyanchenko fight).
It could easily be argued that Golovkin’s career-best performance was delivered in the first Canelo bout.
I hate to say this, but if GGG faces the likes of Canelo, Jacobs or Derevyanchenko this year, then I’d favour all three guys to beat the current iteration of Golovkin.
GGG has been a fantastic fighter to watch, because his bouts are always action-packed and highly-enjoyable, but unfortunately his best days are behind him.
Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.
It's unfortunate he never had fights with the likes of Jermaine Taylor, Sergio, Pavlik, Abraham, etc. He would have won at least some of those I think, but you gotta fight the fights
Yup. If G could get these names it would be a very good move!Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:10I agree. Those would be well-paid relatively low-risk bouts for the current past-his-prime version of Golovkin.apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 11:23 Murata, Eubank Jr and Munguia could be good fights for Golovkin at his age.
And to be fair, all three of these guys you’ve listed would probably be classed amongst GGG’s top-eight career-best victories, which would be a huge accomplishment for a veteran on the cusp of turning 38 years of age.
Golovkin only fought four of those fighters you listed and GGG has been a top-ten world-rated fighter since 2008, captured his first world title during 2010 and made his debut with HBO in September 2012.apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:36Actually when G fought Lemieux the mw division was stacked!![]()
Saul Alvarez, Champion
Gennady Golovkin
Daniel Jacobs
Billy Joe Saunders
David Lemieux
Andy Lee
Peter Quillin
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
Chris Eubank Jr
Daniel Geale
Michel Soro
Of course that G fought the top guys from this list but unfortunately it happened when he started to age.
Unfortunately G became the fully WBA champion in 2014. So the time span to grow in popularity was too short for G considering his age at that time and also he was seen as a high risk and low reward fighter.
Indeed G looked vulnerable and his gas tank is questionable. The good thing is that many of these young mw's would be very interested to fight Golovkin as he is seen as a valuable winnable 'scalp'.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:12 They should do Murata out of the relatively low risk options, though GGG did look pretty vulnerable last fight so not sure the risk is even that low these days. Stylistically that is a slobber knocker and of course there is the unification angle (though does Murata just have the subordinate belt?)
I think it was G's one of the toughest fights considering he was in bad condition.DrDuke wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:24GGG outlanded Canelo in the second bout, while he totally outjabbed him. I don't know, based on what Canelo can be picked.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:19 Nah, Canelo won the 2nd fight for sure.
Also I wouldn't have Ouma in the top 5, Ouma was well shopworn and small for the weight. Plus GGG did not look good, though it has been exaggerated how tough the fight was for him.
I'd say, Ouma was still there at that point. Anyway it was tough fight for GGG and he managed to pull out a victory. That's why I name it.
I highlighted Jacobs and Canelo as being the best of them. Bottom line, I think G was seen as a very risky fighter at that time.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:48Golovkin only fought four of those fighters you listed and GGG has been a top-ten world-rated fighter since 2008, captured his first world title during 2010 and made his debut with HBO in September 2012.apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:36Actually when G fought Lemieux the mw division was stacked!![]()
Saul Alvarez, Champion
Gennady Golovkin
Daniel Jacobs
Billy Joe Saunders
David Lemieux
Andy Lee
Peter Quillin
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
Chris Eubank Jr
Daniel Geale
Michel Soro
Of course that G fought the top guys from this list but unfortunately it happened when he started to age.
Unfortunately G became the fully WBA champion in 2014. So the time span to grow in popularity was too short for G considering his age at that time and also he was seen as a high risk and low reward fighter.
Gennady Golovkin was far more popular in 2013 than most of the marquee names that competed that year. His bout against Curtis Stevens received the third highest views of all the non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year.
GGG’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 also far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).
2.5m Americans watched GGG engage in two live non-PPV bouts during 2013 (Curtis Stevens 1.4m & Matthew Macklin 1.1m). The only fighters to surpass this figure were Adrien Broner (2.7m = Gavin Rees 1.4m + Paul Malignaggi 1.3m) and Adonis Stevenson (3.5m = Tony Bellew 1.3m, Tavoris Cloud 1.2m & Chad Dawson 1m).
These are the facts and figures, so make of them what you will.![]()
I would say that now it is the third toughest fight. If I had to rank the toughest ones, it would beapollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 13:48I think it was G's one of the toughest fights considering he was in bad condition.
Yup.boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 15:02I would say that now it is the third toughest fight. If I had to rank the toughest ones, it would beapollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 13:48
I think it was G's one of the toughest fights considering he was in bad condition.
1. Derevo
2. Canelo 2
3. Ouma
4. Canelo 1
5. Jacobs
Not a bad list is it? Especially bearing in mind he was always the older fighter going into these bouts. Completely the opposite of the fabled Mayweather/Canelo strategy.