Usyk vs. Chisora, March 28, who wins ?

[margaret thatcher]

I know I'm making an apples-and-oranges point until Usyk's further into his heavyweight career, but I find it interesting that so many rate Uysk above Haye as a cruiser, saw Haye beat Chisora in their mutual primes, and now (possibly?) see Chisora as a threat to Usyk.

The intimation is that Haye's power was his get-out-of-jail, and despite having superior skills Usyk might come unstuck against heavies without it. I fancy Chisora's too plodding, but you never know.

Who do you rate higher as a cruiser, Dave or Olek?

[Autobarn]

It’s a shame that Usyk’s not the busy heavyweight that Evander Holyfield was after moving up.

I mostly enjoy U.K. boxing but the current model for developing fighters is not helping fighters easing into the heavyweight division.

[lewislaad]

Standard Eddie Hearn Match making

Usyk one of the best crusierweights ever, Undisputed after 15 fights, ring and lineal champion. Olympic Gold.

Against 9 loses Chisora, Who's biggest achievement is beating Edmund Gerber for the European title and has lost every time he has stepped up, He was finished after the Kabayel fight.

My guess is the Joshua fight has been promised afterwards, as there is no need for this fight.

Usyk should be forcing the WBO to strip Joshua and fight Parker for the vacant belt.

[danconnollyeire]

Someone's been smashing out the old thesaurus.com

Really? Hardly obscure wording there....?

You come across as someone who's desperately trying to come across as smart rather than just being smart. Your name is funnily ironic

[Verdi]

I think much of his bodyweight increase over the past few years has been muscle mass. His body fat percentage hasn't changed much and may have actually fallen compared to a few of his previous fights.

How do you know what his body fat percentage is?

They do weigh in/fight with their tops off. It's pretty obvious when a guy is carrying extra body fat. Of course I don't know the exact percentage, but I'd make a pretty close guess of it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Really? Hardly obscure wording there....?

You come across as someone who's desperately trying to come across as smart rather than just being smart. Your name is funnily ironic

I don't need to try hard, comes pretty easy thanks...

I was just pointing out i can't see anything particularly obscure in the post you referenced.

I don't see what's ironic about James Mcdonnell, I'm a bit mystified. It's just my name.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Usyk always shows his class as the challenge steps up. I'd imagine he'd use speed here to dance around chisora and build up a big points lead.
I'm doubtful that chisora is quick enough to catch him with too much. Still a very respectable opponent.

That's how I see it too.

It would be nice if Chisora could rough up Usyk to see how he handles HW pressure, but Chisora is not the guy to do that.

Chisoras capable of doing that I think, but his problem is workrate. He's just not consistent

[danconnollyeire]

That's how I see it too.

It would be nice if Chisora could rough up Usyk to see how he handles HW pressure, but Chisora is not the guy to do that.

Chisoras capable of doing that I think, but his problem is workrate. He's just not consistent

Didn't mean you mate meant Enlightened One (was 9am hadn't had a coffee yet)

[jamesmcdonnell]

Ah.... Wondered what my crime was!?

No worries, just having my much needed post lunch coffee now.

[danconnollyeire]

Ah.... Wondered what my crime was!?

No worries, just having my much needed post lunch coffee now.

[Grilling Machine]

Who do you rate higher as a cruiser, Dave or Olek?

Probably Haye, but I think he moved up a couple of years too soon and should've at least fought Cunningham. Usyk didn't face Dorticos, but you might argue that that's on the level of Haye-Bell as a missed fight, and he's older than Haye was so I'm fine with his career timing. Wlodarczyk; Masternak... Uysk would've been the comfortable favourite.

So I rate Usyk's career slightly above Haye's at cruiser, but I've always felt that Haye could've been an ATG had he stayed for a few more years, whereas Usyk — Dorticos aside — had nothing left to prove. But if he struggles with Chisora then I think that definitely raises the question of whether Haye was better-suited to heavyweight.

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Who do you rate higher as a cruiser, Dave or Olek?

Probably Haye, but I think he moved up a couple of years too soon and should've at least fought Cunningham. Usyk didn't face Dorticos, but you might argue that that's on the level of Haye-Bell as a missed fight, and he's older than Haye was so I'm fine with his career timing. Wlodarczyk; Masternak... Uysk would've been the comfortable favourite.

So I rate Usyk's career slightly above Haye's at cruiser, but I've always felt that Haye could've been an ATG had he stayed for a few more years, whereas Usyk — Dorticos aside — had nothing left to prove. But if he struggles with Chisora then I think that definitely raises the question of whether Haye was better-suited to heavyweight.

Haye only faced one genuine world class HW and was soundly beaten.

Some may argue that he beat Valuev, but I don't think Valuev was genuinely world class; he couldn't even beat 77 year old Holyfield, although he somehow got the decision.

Haye had a very cynical HW career.

[ValMar]

Who do you rate higher as a cruiser, Dave or Olek?

Probably Haye, but I think he moved up a couple of years too soon and should've at least fought Cunningham. Usyk didn't face Dorticos, but you might argue that that's on the level of Haye-Bell as a missed fight, and he's older than Haye was so I'm fine with his career timing. Wlodarczyk; Masternak... Uysk would've been the comfortable favourite.

So I rate Usyk's career slightly above Haye's at cruiser, but I've always felt that Haye could've been an ATG had he stayed for a few more years, whereas Usyk — Dorticos aside — had nothing left to prove. But if he struggles with Chisora then I think that definitely raises the question of whether Haye was better-suited to heavyweight.

I can imagine very competitive fantasy match - Haye (2008 version) vs. Usyk (2018 version) at CW.
Haye had been pretty stronger and had much more power, but Usyk's skillset was much better, definitely.
Usyk's resume at CW is above Haye's, I have no dilemma, and Haye had never faced anyone similar to Usyk, and Usyk had faced several fighters similar to Haye, so I think Usyk would have been victorious by decision type 116-112/117-111.

BTW, I can not remember why Haye didn't fight Adamek, I suppose both of them had competed at CW in the same time. Am I wrong ?

[Grilling Machine]

IIRC Adamek was fresh at cruiser from light-heavy when Haye made his temporary jump to heavy for Bonin, so they could've fought but the timing would've been against Adamek.

Haye became the top-rated cruiser by reputation as much as achievement after beating Mormeck, at a time when Wlodarczyk was seen as a real dangerman and Cunningham a genuine threat. Whereas Usyk beat both Briedis and Gassiev and left no doubt beyond Dorticos.

I agree with Syntax about Haye's underwhelming heavyweight career, but he never fought AJ, Fury or Wilder when he would've entered as favourite (injured training for Fury of course). With Usyk we just have to wait and see, but although his career's superior to Haye's to date, I'm not sold on him as a heavy yet.

I back him to beat Chisora because I think he's mobile enough to avoid most of Del's swings and tough enough to take what lands. Chisora-Takam's the main thing casting doubt for many of us, and like I say, I find it interesting that some of those who rate Usyk above Haye view Chisora as a gamble. I'll watch it, anyway; I think it's a pretty decent fight if Del turns up.

[margaret thatcher]

I'd be curious if the specific people who see Chis as some type of big threat (pretty sure that's a minority view) actually do rate Usyk much higher than Haye. What you say Oog?

Personally I think Usyk beats Chisora rather handily, Chis is made for Usyk and it's no mere random chance that whenever people say Chis was 'unmotivated' he was facing someone who boxed him and not slugged him

[oogiebe]

I'd be curious if the specific people who see Chis as some type of big threat (pretty sure that's a minority view) actually do rate Usyk much higher than Haye. What you say Oog?

Personally I think Usyk beats Chisora rather handily, Chis is made for Usyk and it's no mere random chance that whenever people say Chis was 'unmotivated' he was facing someone who boxed him and not slugged him

Usyk at CW better than Haye. No question.

[tiny_acres]

I'd be curious if the specific people who see Chis as some type of big threat (pretty sure that's a minority view) actually do rate Usyk much higher than Haye. What you say Oog?

Personally I think Usyk beats Chisora rather handily, Chis is made for Usyk and it's no mere random chance that whenever people say Chis was 'unmotivated' he was facing someone who boxed him and not slugged him

Only chance Chisora has is a lucky punch.
He fails against any pure boxer

[marvelous marv]

Chisora will test his chin at heavyweight. If Usyk comes thru this fight he is a threat to everyone in the division.

[ValMar]

The fight is postponed for May 23, because of Usyk's injury. It will be no title fight, but winner will be WBO mandatory.

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The fight is postponed for May 23, because of Usyk's injury. It will be no title fight, but winner will be WBO mandatory.

Looks like this is going to be the story of Usyk's HW career; fight gets announced; Usyk gets injured; fight gets postponed or called off indefinitely.

Very frustrating as I was looking forward to seeing Usyk in the mix.

At this rate, it could be late '21 before he gets to the top table, if he does.

[ValMar]

The fight is postponed for May 23, because of Usyk's injury. It will be no title fight, but winner will be WBO mandatory.

Looks like this is going to be the story of Usyk's HW career; fight gets announced; Usyk gets injured; fight gets postponed or called off indefinitely.

Very frustrating as I was looking forward to seeing Usyk in the mix.

At this rate, it could be late '21 before he gets to the top table, if he does.

The elbow injury, according to RINGSIDE24........