Has AL HAYMON done a good job managing Wilder?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Interested to hear opinions on this. Given his ko power should he be a bigger star?

[Onetimeonly]

Yes, he has. I know I'm a broken record but Americans don't watch boxing. Never going to be another Floyd. He is making huge money that his drawing power does not support. Heck, al got fox, Showtime and dazn bidding to the point he got like 12 million for breazeale!

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Look at how much joshua makes and the ticket sales he had at msg. Wouldn't it stand to reason in a country much larger than the uk wilder should be a mega ppv star by now given his power and his record?

[DrDuke]

He did a great job. He made Wilder a champ, while Wilder was green and much more flawed. He provided him a secure reign for quite a while. Eventually he aided in scoring impressive numbers of defences and KOs.

[Onetimeonly]

Look at how much joshua makes and the ticket sales he had at msg. Wouldn't it stand to reason in a country much larger than the uk wilder should be a mega ppv star by now given his power and his record?

Most of those tickets were Brits. I bet there are more boxing fans in the UK. Hey man, if it was 40 years ago and he hypothetically had the same record he would be enormous. Nobody here cares past the occasional "you watching the fight" and us boxing nerds + Mexican Americans.

When fox brought boxing back to prime time Garcia/Guerrero got smoked by figure skating. It's just gone bro.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I dont disagree actually just being devils advocate

[Onetimeonly]

I dont disagree actually just being devils advocate

[Finkel]

Look at how much joshua makes and the ticket sales he had at msg. Wouldn't it stand to reason in a country much larger than the uk wilder should be a mega ppv star by now given his power and his record?

Most of those tickets were Brits. I bet there are more boxing fans in the UK. Hey man, if it was 40 years ago and he hypothetically had the same record he would be enormous. Nobody here cares past the occasional "you watching the fight" and us boxing nerds + Mexican Americans.

When fox brought boxing back to prime time Garcia/Guerrero got smoked by figure skating. It's just gone bro.

That's a massive hypothetical though.
When his best win is this guy:



Haymon has done extremely well in guiding Wilder's career. Wilder is now Ring #2, with a chance of becoming the Ring belt holder before Joshua, that is pretty incredible really.

[Evander]

They done a good job with Wilder he's much more well known now and on the American sports map.
I don't think he's there quite yet in terms of maximum earnings, let's see how it plays out.

[Onetimeonly]

Most of those tickets were Brits. I bet there are more boxing fans in the UK. Hey man, if it was 40 years ago and he hypothetically had the same record he would be enormous. Nobody here cares past the occasional "you watching the fight" and us boxing nerds + Mexican Americans.

When fox brought boxing back to prime time Garcia/Guerrero got smoked by figure skating. It's just gone bro.

That's a massive hypothetical though.
When his best win is this guy:



Haymon has done extremely well in guiding Wilder's career. Wilder is now Ring #2, with a chance of becoming the Ring belt holder before Joshua, that is pretty incredible really.

My point is better served not starting another debate of how he'd get clobbered in the 70's or 90'sHis power would serve him better than fury or Joshua in those stacked eras, but none would ever see the #1 spot for even a second.

[Enlightened-One]

Al Haymon isn’t solely responsible for Wilder’s career progression, but he’s definitely been an influential figure.

But to answer the question posed by the thread title, I’d say Wilder’s career has been very well managed.

Deontay might have earned far more money being promoted by the risk-taking Eddie Hearn, but he would’ve tasted defeat a couple of times.

Think of the type of opponents Carl Froch, Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte faced whilst working with Eddie Hearn. It’s a case of sink or swim in the deep end... absolutely no time to learn their craft, with the majority of fighters promoted by Matchroom falling by the wayside as they suffer defeats.

And there’s no way Top Rank could’ve done anything with Wilder.

There is also no way in hell K2 or Main Events could’ve done anything with Wilder either.

[Evander]

Eddie Hearn was the shot in the arm boxing needed.
There's absolutely no doubt about it.
HBO bailed, who else was there ?
Al Haymon or BA, they were big players with small stakes in the sport, Hearn revitalized the whole thing.
None of the 147's are fighting anytime soon, next big fight is Hearn's Joshua.
Tank doesn't want to fight Lomachenko, that's the other biggest fight in the sport and Haymon and BA don't want it in 2020.

Where does that leave you ?
A Joshua defence

[Onetimeonly]

Eddie Hearn was the shot in the arm boxing needed.
There's absolutely no doubt about it.
HBO bailed, who else was there ?
Al Haymon or BA, they were big players with small stakes in the sport, Hearn revitalized the whole thing.
None of the 147's are fighting anytime soon, next big fight is Hearn's Joshua.
Tank doesn't want to fight Lomachenko, that's the other biggest fight in the sport and Haymon and BA don't want it in 2020.

Where does that leave you ?
A Joshua defence

Tank would fight loma for free. Joshua/pulev sure isn't a big fight. Only reason I may watch it is I'm a Joshua fan.

[victor-romeo]

Done a great job taken a guy who has only fought two decent opponents in 8 years [Fury and Ortiz] and made Wilder a Millionaire and famous, Give Haymon A+ for helping to create Wilder.

[Evander]

Tank would fight Loma for free ... yeah ok.
Not really about what he would fight him for.
Tank lost his bottle and knows it's not his time and won't take the risk against a more experienced boxer.

That's closer to the truth right ?

[Evander]

Black America are stepping off the biggest fight available to them since Kovalev v Ward 1.
Lomachenko v Davis is so hot right now it's not even funny.

[Onetimeonly]

Tank would fight Loma for free ... yeah ok.
Not really about what he would fight him for.
Tank lost his bottle and knows it's not his time and won't take the risk against a more experienced boxer.

That's closer to the truth right ?

Not even remotely close.

[Onetimeonly]

Black America are stepping off the biggest fight available to them since Kovalev v Ward 1.
Lomachenko v Davis is so hot right now it's not even funny.

Black America? Lmao, you think black Americans cared about ward/kovalev? I'd love to see tank/loma but it isn't even Luke warm. I'm fine with Lopez

[Evander]

Everyone gave a sh_t about that fight.

[Evander]

It's the risk of pushing Tank up right against an elite boxer, the black Americans won't do it.
Or will they ?
They are absolutely shi__ing a brick at the prospect of having to do it and being called to do so.

[cormack]

yes as he has protected him from dangerous opponent`s and he has earned a lot of dollars along the way ..

whether this makes him a great champion is another matter

[man]

Interested to hear opinions on this. Given his ko power should he be a bigger star?

he obviously did.

[Onetimeonly]

Everyone gave a sh_t about that fight.

Nobody did.

[cormack]

Done a great job taken a guy who has only fought two decent opponents in 8 years [Fury and Ortiz] and made Wilder a Millionaire and famous, Give Haymon A+ for helping to create Wilder.

agreed 100 %

[snake33]

If Haymon was managing him properly he would tell him to stop yelling "bomb squad"
and stop being an egotistical prick. People want a victorious hero not a bully asshole.