I'm happy getting a Top 10 position! You'd think I could win my own competition, but have never placed Top 3.. at least since my records started way back in 2005. Ring Anncr (Joe Antonacci) started the competition a little before that.. but got banned around that point... so there may have been a year or two lost due to poor recordkeeping. Not saying I won any of those.. just giving a little bit of history!
As previously talked about in the thread... interest has waned in the competition and also in boxing. Blame HBO dropping coverage... blame a ton of big names retiring... blame the evil Covid-19, but it is undeniable. Even as you look through the 2020 PTBF stats, we had roughly 40 picks per fight out of the gate, which quickly dropped to about 20.
All good things come to an end.. and this seems to be a good time to retire the competition. I'll never say never in bringing it back, but just looking at the schedule for the next couple months leaves me as disinterested as I've ever been in the sport.
Let's see where the sport is in a few months, but as of now.. it is goodbye to PTBF!
Career PTBF Metrics (2005-2020, unless stated otherwise)
Cumulative Sum of Score/AvgYearScore
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37.19 JCS
34.60 armageto
32.42 Ally-M1
29.21 ldlamb
26.65 claudevsq
26.22 warpninehulk
25.74 Gimp Mask
24.82 pete thebet
24.52 cletomex
21.91 sockdolager
21.85 Comegalletas
21.59 WadeGwynn
21.29 joe strong
21.05 lvlarc
20.79 thunderfromdownunder
20.50 T.M.K.
19.41 Cloutov
19.23 verballistic
19.08 Freedom2013
18.82 hbg
18.64 HyacinthusTurnipseed
18.47 brooklyndoug
18.35 Kuppy09
17.37 diddy
17.11 gilgamesh
Avg result of Score/AvgYearScore (Minimum of 5 years played)
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2.577 locoxelbox
2.352 hbg
2.332 woe31
2.324 JCS
2.315 Ally-M1
2.230 glittermonkey
2.191 sockdolager
2.171 psivolob
2.162 armageto
2.138 The-Artist
2.120 Freedom2013
2.086 ldlamb
2.060 Predator13
2.050 claudevsq
2.044 cletomex
2.039 Kuppy09
2.007 Poncey
1.986 Comegalletas
1.978 PredatorHayds
1.970 BoxBuzz
1.963 WadeGwynn
1.941 Cloutov
1.936 joe strong
1.934 The_Truth
1.930 diddy
Sum Result of 10pts (1st place), 7pts (2nd place), 5pts (3rd place), 2 pts (Top 10 finish), 1 pt (Top 25 finish) w/ Years Played
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39 lvlarc (11)
37 Ally-M1 (14)
32 hbg (8)
24 warpninehulk (15)
22 JCS (16)
21 WadeGwynn (11)
20 sockdolager (10)
20 cletomex (12)
20 glittermonkey (7)
18 gilgamesh (9)
17 HyacinthusTurnipseed (10)
17 The-Artist (7)
16 armageto (16)
15 Maddox (3)
14 PredatorHayds (5)
14 ldlamb (14)
14 Cloutov (10)
13 Freedom2013 (9)
13 locoxelbox (5)
13 ironbeard (9)
13 The_Truth (5)
12 claudevsq (13)
12 Comegalletas (11)
11 EJA (4)
11 LeeSanders (3)
11 joe strong (11)
11 matador (2)
Average Finish Place - Minimum of 5 years played
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6.500 hbg
10.71 Ally-M1
13.00 JCS
15.00 PredatorHayds
16.85 glittermonkey
18.75 armageto
18.90 sockdolager
19.63 Comegalletas
20.66 Freedom2013
21.88 gilgamesh
22.21 ldlamb
24.00 psivolob
24.50 cletomex
24.60 HyacinthusTurnipseed
24.80 Cloutov
25.23 claudevsq
25.42 Predator13
25.45 joe strong
25.60 boxing_rocks
25.77 Kuppy09
26.00 The_Truth
26.63 WadeGwynn
27.20 locoxelbox
27.27 T.M.K.
27.57 Gimp Mask
Most Consistent Finisher - Previous 3 years, average finish position of 50 or better -- Must have played in all 3 years
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ceramics_steve_again
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ElJefe
IRLangmaid25
SenorPipino
marvelous marv
stevekrazy
Fisto
thomasjkelley
WestEndRiot
WadeGwynn
LeeSanders
Heretic
oogiebe
Cloutov
Highest Season Avg of DFtP (Total Fights Picked) for 2014-Previous Season
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433.1 (85) The-Artist
328.1 (86) CrazyHorse
308.6 (44) giacomino
259.0 (41) Boxerbeetle
241.7 (34) Evander
240.4 (153) Best Coast
178.6 (101) handsofstone
174.3 (56) Federiqo
167.9 (262) Ally-M1
166.8 (83) verballistic
166.0 (12) DSW
161.2 (232) Comegalletas
159.1 (7) MikeyLo
157.7 (42) Kilsby
141.8 (12) bobcatbox
131.8 (45) sockdolager
131.0 (268) hbg
126.2 (86) ElJefe
125.5 (104) Air Rodney
120.1 (18) Oliverking
117.9 (4) DMA1987
115.4 (33) thunderfromdownunder
113.0 (12) candyslim
113.0 (6) No Tomorrow
112.1 (173) PredatorHayds
If you used a different user name in past seasons, please let me know so I can link your names together for all-time stats. Thanks!
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PTBF 2020 OFFICIAL RULES
2020 season is for the entire 2020 calendar year
---- Changes in 2020 ----
-- NO CHANGES --
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What is PTBF?
Pick the Big Fights (PTBF) is a boxing game featured on BoxRec housed entirely within the BoxRec forum that tests the knowledge of users, related to picking the winners of big and/or intriguing fights. The game was started by a BoxRec user, Rng Anncr, back in 2005, and has evolved drastically since then.
To play, simply read these rules, and make fight picks within the confines of the individual fight threads.
Pick-Related Info
PICK FORMAT
NICKNAME,WINNER*,RESULT,RESULT TYPE,2X/3X OPTION**
* = Winning fighter's last name
** = Type 2X or 3X if you want to use a double- or triple-down.
There are sample picks at the bottom of this post.
NOTE: Quoted picks will not be counted!
Valid RESULT choices
DECISION = Any type of decision
KO = Any type of knockout, technical knockout, or disqualification.
Valid RESULT TYPE choices
For a DECISION pick, the valid choices are CLOSE, WIDE, and DOMINANT. See the below sub-section for more information.
For a KO pick, simply type the round number in which you think the bout will end.
Decision Type
If you wish to choose a boxer by decision, you must accompany that pick with a decision type.
CLOSE = Fight's decision is a split decision, majority decision, or a unanimous decision where the total difference in points are 10 (8 for 10-rounder) or less for the winning fighter.
WIDE = Fight's decision is a unanimous decision where the total difference in points are between 11 and 19 (9 and 16 for 10-rounder) for the winning fighter.
DOMINANT = Fight's decision is a unanimous decision where the total difference in points is 20 (17 for 10-rounder) or more for the winning fighter.
REF PTS Note: If a PTBF involves a single referee scoring the bout, the score difference will be multipled by 3.
Technical Decisions
In the rare event of a technical decision where the scorecards are used, the UD cut-offs of CLOSE/WIDE/DOMINANT will be determined when standings are calculated.
Important Note: Bouts which end early in a no contest or technical draw w/o consideration of scorecards (Ex: Rob Calloway vs Ruslan Chagaev I) are VOID.
Double & Triple-Downs (2X / 3X Options)
Each competitor will have the option to "double down" or "triple down" on picks. Competitors will receive four 2Xs and two 3X in the season. The amount you have remaining will be listed in the posted standings. Doubling or tripling down doubles/triples the points you would've normally gotten had you not used it. Note: You cannot use bonuses on special props and can only use one bonus per fight.
If in the event you try to use a 3X, but have none left, I will use a 2X for you, assuming you have some of those left. However, I will NOT use a 3X for you, if you try to use a 2X and have none left.
Novelty Fights (0.5x)
A fight may be given novelty status if it is not generally considered a big fight, but is posted for other purposes, such as being a "special interest" bout for the forum, a prospect fight, or to fill a dry period in the schedule. In this case, all points will be halved (0.5x). You may use 2X/3X bonuses on these fights, but it is not recommended. Note: Half-points are rounded up to the next whole integer on a per fight basis.
Bonus Fights (1.25x/1.5x/1.75x/2.0x)
Fights that stand out from the typical big fight, will be considered "bonus fights". Major titles, competitiveness, Ring ranking, the "rematch factor" and "name power" are all considered. In addition to the fight bonus, you can utilize your 2X/3X bonuses to maximize your scoring potential. This "bonus fight" status will be noted in the PTBF schedule, but may be altered at anytime before the pick thread is posted. Note: Half-points are rounded up to the next whole integer on a per fight basis.
PTBF Base Scoring
Correct Fighter Only = 20
Correct Fighter & WRONG Type Selection Exception
Pick DECISION/DOMINANT and a KO/12 (or KO/10 if 10-rounder) happens, or vice versa = 22
Correct Fighter & KO (DQs included in KO pick)
Not within 4 rounds = 25
Within 3-4 rounds = 27
Within 2 rounds = 28
Within 1 round = 29 (plus 5% multiplier to user bonus if 2X or 3X user bonus is applied)
Exact round = 30 (plus 20% multiplier to user bonus if 2X or 3X user bonus is applied)
In the event that a non-decision fight is stopped between rounds or before an attempt at actual combat is made by both fighters in the following round and/or the actual round that should be used for the outcome is arguable, credit will be awarded to players regardless of which of those two rounds they picked and this additional credit will cascade to non-exact picks. Fights with this distinction will be listed with a half-round in the previous fights list.
Correct Fighter & DECISION
Missed Type by 2 (Close/Wide/Dominant) = 25
Missed Type by 1 (Close/Wide/Dominant) = 27
Exact Type (Close/Wide/Dominant) = 30
WRONG Fighter = 0
WRONG Fighter Exception
Pick DECISION/CLOSE and other fighter wins by DECISION/CLOSE = 5
Pick KO1 and other fighter wins by KO1 = 5
Important Note: The fight's decision as of the Monday after the scoring will stand as the official PTBF decision, unless the next PTBF takes place before that Monday, in which case that PTBF's scoring will be the deadline. The scoring of fights with extremely controversial endings that may be possibly be overturned will be delayed and handled on a case-by-case basis. Typically, scoring for fights ending by a legal boxing move will not be delayed.
Fight Scoring Process
FightScore = Round(Round(BaseScore * FightBonus) * (UserBonus^ * AdditionalUserBonus^^))
^ = If used 2X or 3X. Not applied in draws unless last fight of season.
^^ = If used 2X or 3X, correctly picked KO and within 1 round.
- Above does not include "special theme bonuses" (eg: Multi-Fight Bonuses)
Miscellaneous Info
Draws
In the case of a draw, all participants will have any 2X/3X bonuses returned unless it is the last fight of the season, and will receive 10 points (* fight bonus). Should participants pick DECISION they will receive a base of 15, and DECISION/CLOSE, a base of 17.
Thread Creation Timing
The thread for a fight can be posted up until 120 hours (5 days) prior to the fight taking place.
Ranking Updates
The rankings will be updated on every Sunday, or Monday, following a week that contains a big fight.
Inactivity
Inactivity is not penalized, but players will be removed from the scoreboard if they have not made a pick in the last 60 days. Inactive players will retain their point total in case they pick again, in which case they will be placed back onto the scoreboard.
Pick Changes
If you want to change your previous pick, it is recommended that you ALWAYS create a new post and NEVER edit and NEVER quote your old pick -- in a combo thread, never include fights that have already started in your new post. You CAN opt to edit your original post, but in a combo thread, you may make a previously completed fight's pick INVALID if you edit after it started due to the "edit date". If you have edited a post after the fight start time, that was created before the fight start time, none of those picks will count -- this is to close off a loophole.
Please, do not EVER quote picks.
Past Corrections
If you notice a problem with your score, please let us know as soon as possible! Sometimes we make mistakes.... and ultimately, YOU are responsible for your scores.
Fight Selection
There is no set criteria on how fights are selected for PTBF. However, a fight that satisfies one or more of the following criteria will 100% definitely be included unless they are inadvertently missed:
1. "Big 4" Title unification bouts (in which each boxer has at least one belt).
2. Matchups between Top 10 Ring Pound-for-Pound fighters.
3. Matchups between boxers who are Top 3 in a Ring divisional ranking (Champ counts as 1).
Aside from the mandatories, bouts will be selected based on the quality of boxers involved, and intrigue of the match-up, which is often determined by many factors. Furthermore, if mandatory bouts "clog up" a given weekend, then it will be harder for a non-mandatory bout to make the cut.
The Ring rankings can change with time. Therefore, a fight's mandatory status may change. If it does, the fight may be removed from the schedule, but this is not a guarantee. A fight's inclusion is not final until the pick thread is posted.
Special Props
For ultra high-profile fights, we may make a special prop thread for making picks on special aspects of the fight. The following rules apply for props:
* Make all your prop picks in one post.
* All props are worth 10 points each, unless noted otherwise.
* You cannot lose points for picking incorrectly.
* You cannot use bonuses (2X/3X) on prop picks.
* Only Total Score & Avg Points Per Pick statistics are affected by props.
* In the case of a push, all participants will earn 5 points.
You must at least have picked one fight in order to participate in a prop.
End of Season Competition
If the competition is up for grabs in the last one or two picks, the PTBF committee (at its discretion) will allow those top competitors to private message their picks to a chosen member of the committee (one who is not in the top spots). After the deadline, the picks will be posted, for the review of all. This will be done to prevent "drafting" another member's pick in order to ride their position.
New Player Entry Within Season
New players can enter at any time! Simply make your pick in the official format.
Retroactive Fight Reordering/Deadline Change
Fights on the same day/night can be re-ordered if start times are available. This can affect streak stats and the usage of user bonuses.
Bad Pick Handling
If your pick does not match the required format, your pick may not be counted at all. If it is close to a valid pick, you will be given the least amount of points possible for a similar pick.
Pick Distribution Scoring (select fights only)
A multiplier will be applied if the less-picked fighter wins, based on how many posters picked said fighter. Multiplier set to a maximum of 2x. Example: If Fighter A wins and is picked by 25% of pickers, multiplier of 1.5 will be applied to all picks. If 10% picked this fighter, multiplier would be 1.8x.
DFTP
The DFtP ("Difficult Fights to Pick") is a metric that solely focuses on the ability to correctly pick difficult fights, while not incorrectly picking easy fights.
It is comprised of three columns:
- positive points for picking fights correctly,
- negative points for picking fights incorrectly,
In short, each competitor is given points based on how the other competitors did for each fight and then these points are summed up, for display on the scoreboard. For each fight, a competitor can accumulate up to +100 points if they pick correctly, down to -100 points if they pick incorrectly. DRAWS are excluded.
Example:
Player A picks Fight 1 correctly, in which 80% of other players pick incorrectly. For this, Player A earns 80.
Player A picks Fight 2 incorrectly, in which 35% of other players pick correctly. For this, Player A earn -35.
Player A's positive DFtP is 80, negative DFtP is 35, for a sum of 45.
Sample Picks
We'll use my nickname and Jones vs. Trinidad for an example.
If I believe Jones will win by KO in 3
JCS,JONES,KO,3
If I believe Trinidad will win a close decision
JCS,TRINIDAD,DECISION,CLOSE
If I want to double down on a Trinidad KO in 12
JCS,TRINIDAD,KO,12,2X
If I want to triple down on a DOMINANT decision from Jones
JCS,JONES,DECISION,DOMINANT,3X
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Career PTBF Metrics (2005-Previous Season, unless stated otherwise)
Cumulative Sum of Score/AvgYearScore
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35.18 JCS
32.59 armageto
30.45 Ally-M1
27.27 ldlamb
25.48 Gimp Mask
24.64 claudevsq
24.52 cletomex
24.38 warpninehulk
24.07 pete thebet
21.91 sockdolager
Avg result of Score/AvgYearScore (Minimum of 5 years played)
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2.577 locoxelbox
2.396 hbg
2.345 JCS
2.342 Ally-M1
2.332 woe31
2.23 glittermonkey
2.191 sockdolager
2.173 armageto
2.171 psivolob
2.161 Comegalletas
Sum Result of 10pts (1st place), 7pts (2nd place), 5pts (3rd place), 2 pts (Top 10 finish), 1 pt (Top 25 finish)
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39 lvlarc
36 Ally-M1
30 hbg
23 warpninehulk
21 WadeGwynn
20 sockdolager
20 JCS
20 cletomex
20 glittermonkey
17 The-Artist
Average Finish Place - Minimum of 5 years played
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6.428 hbg
10.61 Ally-M1
13.26 JCS
16.85 glittermonkey
17.9 Comegalletas
18.9 sockdolager
19.33 armageto
20.66 Freedom2013
22.84 ldlamb
24 psivolob
Most Consistent Finisher - Previous 3 years, average finish position of 50 or better -- Must have played in all 3 years
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ceramics_steve_again
Boxing101101
Deleted_Scenes
filibert
theory
Humean
Fisto
asdfjkl
Badhusker
Ruthless-RKO
Highest Season Avg of DFtP (Total Fights Picked) for 2014-Previous Season
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433.1 (85) The-Artist
369.0 (38) PUGLET
328.1 (86) CrazyHorse
308.6 (44) giacomino
289.7 (148) Best Coast
259.0 (41) Boxerbeetle
241.7 (34) Evander
204.6 (239) Ally-M1
197.4 (226) Comegalletas
178.6 (101) handsofstone
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And that just now, where I made 3rd place last season and won a bronze cup… Well, I guess the scoreboard will come up as soon as JCS finds the time to post it.
