WRIGHT SLIGHT FAVOURITE OVER TAYLOR???!!

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 14 Jun 2006, 06:14

What the frig is going on here? Oddschecker has nearly all bookies putting Wright as slight favourite in this one...

Am I missing something?

Priff · Post by **Priff** » 14 Jun 2006, 07:09

Riddick Blowe wrote:What the frig is going on here? Oddschecker has nearly all bookies putting Wright as slight favourite in this one...

Am I missing something?

I certainly make him favourite...unless I'm missing something.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 14 Jun 2006, 07:38

He has the egde in big fight experince over Taylor, but I fancy the Little Rock native to pull the win out.

He must be a short price favourite?

Smit · Post by **Smit** » 14 Jun 2006, 07:43

Well the bookies seem to be quite even in this fight. Some favour Taylor whereas the others favour Wright.

Priff · Post by **Priff** » 14 Jun 2006, 07:50

TerribleTerry wrote:He has the egde in big fight experince over Taylor, but I fancy the Little Rock native to pull the win out.

He must be a short price favourite?

It's a Winky UD for me.
This is a great fight.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Jun 2006, 07:57

Wright looked like an absolute rock up at 160 and as sharp as he ever has. I definitely favour him to win this.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jun 2006, 08:44

He hasn't fought anyone as big, quick and powerful as Taylor however, and his style won't endear him to the judges in this one.

Taylor WUD12 after hurting Winky late in the fight.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 14 Jun 2006, 08:46

Winky Wright will absolutely school Taylor. Wright has the most accurate, unrelenting and demoralising jab in boxing in addition to a super-tight defence. I cant see Taylor dealing with Wright. Ronald Wright has a pretty unique, and ultra-effective, fighting style.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 14 Jun 2006, 09:04

Taylor by suprisingly easy UD, Winky looked crap against Soliman and beating Trinidad dosn't prove a lot any more.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 14 Jun 2006, 09:10

Agreed. If Taylor brings his A game, he can finish this one by mid round KO. Wright was getting teared up by the lightly hitting Soliman, did you see Winky's face after fight?

Once Taylor gets past Winky's jab and lands a few uppercuts Winky will go into a shell. I just hope Taylor don't stay at range all night throwing the odd right cross.

Taylor by UD.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 14 Jun 2006, 09:27

don't understand some of you guys. well, we'll see i suppose.

dandantheweatherman · Post by **dandantheweatherman** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:02

Wasn't Wright suffering from a heavy cold going into the Soliaman fight and this hindered his performance? I seem to recall something like this being mentioned a day before the fight.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:04

Thats true. Props to Winky for not pulling out.

dandantheweatherman · Post by **dandantheweatherman** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:10

I seem to remember being desparate to do my bollocks on Wright vs Soliaman (low gain I know, but low risk I figured) and then changing my mind after reading he was ill.

I think he'll beat Taylor too, so I'm not thrilled to read he's favourite. Still, I've had my Winky money when he beat Mosley.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:11

Taylor is going to have a lot more punches coming back his way than against Hopkins that's for sure.

And "getting past the Winky jab" is a hell of a lot easier said than done.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:19

liamlion wrote:Winky Wright will absolutely school Taylor. Wright has the most accurate, unrelenting and demoralising jab in boxing in addition to a super-tight defence. I cant see Taylor dealing with Wright. Ronald Wright has a pretty unique, and ultra-effective, fighting style.

If it is ultra effective, what about the Vargas and Simon results?

Most of Winky's career has been against B grade opposition, his best win at Middleweight is against Soliman, Tito wasn't the same fighter who looked invincible before Nard chewed him up.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:24

Winky didn't lose to Vargas, and the Simon fight was down to the wire plus there is no way Taylor could match Simon for workrate.

I think we're going to see Taylor flattered by the Hopkins results on saturday night.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:34

The judges thought Winky lost to Vargas, and that's what counts. I can well see the same happening against Taylor, Taylor will pick up points for shots landing on gloves, arms, and shoulders, and Wright not doing enough consistent work of his own to convince them otherwise.

Taylor hits harder than Simon and is a naturall bigger man by some way.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Jun 2006, 10:51

When trying to predict the outcome of an upcoming fight, how can "what counts" be the opinion of 3 judges and not the opinion of most other observers? Come on James get with it 8) .

Personally I don't see the whole size/weight issue as being a factor in the fight. Winky looked a tower of strength against Trinidad, immovable. It's easy to point towards Tito being a shot fighter but that's not what everyone was saying a few months previously. Wright would have given him nightmares every time in that form. Taylor might present different problems but the same can certainly be said in reverse.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jun 2006, 11:02

Because dumbo, are predicting the result of the fight, not highly subjective opinions of the paying public, what are you predicting, what the public will think of the result?

When predicting a fight outcome, you should be taking into account what judges favour and not what armchair pundits, most of whom haven't danny about how to score a fight, and that is a fact.

When asked about Hopkins Taylor II, I said I thought Taylor would win a fight than many thought Hopkins deserved to win, and hey presto, I was right. I knew the judges would favour Taylors workrate, even if he missed, and that Bernard would not be prepared to go all out for the KO. Now you can argue all you like that Hopkins deserved the decision, but truth is, he didn't put on the sort of performance that was equivocal enough to get the scorecards in his favour, despite knowing that they favoured Taylor last time out.

I think there may be a lot of close rounds in this coming fight, Winky may land more clean shots over the 1st half, but not get credit for it, whilst Taylor throws twice the amount of shots, lands only a quarter, and gets credited for a lot more, and then has a big round or two in the last 3rd of the fight which give him the two equivocal rounds he needs to put it in the bag.

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 14 Jun 2006, 11:07

I go for Winky UD shutout. Taylor hasnt done anything to tell me he's going to win this fight. both the Bhop wins are up for debate, and were won on work rate alone.
Taylors workrate is poor, which says a lot about Bhops performances in those two snore fests, and a poor workrate against Winky is asking for trouble.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Jun 2006, 11:22

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Because dumbo, are predicting the result of the fight, not highly subjective opinions of the paying public, what are you predicting, what the public will think of the result?

When predicting a fight outcome, you should be taking into account what judges favour and not what armchair pundits, most of whom haven't danny about how to score a fight, and that is a fact.

When asked about Hopkins Taylor II, I said I thought Taylor would win a fight than many thought Hopkins deserved to win, and hey presto, I was right. I knew the judges would favour Taylors workrate, even if he missed, and that Bernard would not be prepared to go all out for the KO. Now you can argue all you like that Hopkins deserved the decision, but truth is, he didn't put on the sort of performance that was equivocal enough to get the scorecards in his favour, despite knowing that they favoured Taylor last time out.

I think there may be a lot of close rounds in this coming fight, Winky may land more clean shots over the 1st half, but not get credit for it, whilst Taylor throws twice the amount of shots, lands only a quarter, and gets credited for a lot more, and then has a big round or two in the last 3rd of the fight which give him the two equivocal rounds he needs to put it in the bag.

??? I'm predicting who will actually demonstrate superiority in the boxing ring over the 12 rounds. I'm not predicting what the 3 judges will come up with. That is anyones guess. When did judges suddenly become so reliable? And even armchair Joe can tell when a fighter has been shafted.

Did people really think Hopkins desevered the nod over Taylor in the rematch? I don't remember it that way. For the record I predicted a Hopkins win beforehand but Taylor won fair and square in my eyes.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jun 2006, 11:28

It's not that often though that someone gets completely shafted, the bouts which have contentious results tend to be where not many shots are landed by either man, and the margins in individual rounds are very small.

Fact is, judges tend to go for Taylor's style, he comes forward (generally), is aggressive, throws a lot of flurries, and it is not always easy to tell whether his shots are landing or not from ringside. Winky by contrast does a lot of things he may well not get credit for.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Jun 2006, 11:33

It's because of the tight defence and sharp-shooting of Winky that I find his fights relatively easy to score. Certainly in his higher profile fights when he shows his best form. Only when some maniac like Harry Simon swarms all over him does it become more difficult.

What Taylor will do remains to be seen, but I can't find a reason to give him the edge. Winky would have beaten Hopkins clearly IMO.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 14 Jun 2006, 11:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
liamlion wrote:Winky Wright will absolutely school Taylor. Wright has the most accurate, unrelenting and demoralising jab in boxing in addition to a super-tight defence. I cant see Taylor dealing with Wright. Ronald Wright has a pretty unique, and ultra-effective, fighting style.
If it is ultra effective, what about the Vargas...

Watch the fight! That decision was a robbery, Vargas was properly beat-up in that fight, and his face showed it at the end. Wright might have lost the decision but I can assure you he was not second best that night.

That decision was more about the huge influence that big TV stations and Promoters in America (with a vested interest in one of the fighters only) have over the judges, scoring the fight (De la Hoya v Felix Sturm is another example).

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Most of Winky's career has been against B grade opposition, his best win at Middleweight is against Soliman, Tito wasn't the same fighter who looked invincible before Nard chewed him up.

What as oppossed to the well-proven Taylor?? Whose most notable victories have been two controversial/non too convincing decisions against Hopkins. Jesus, if anyone has fought 'B grade' fighters, surely its Taylor - look at his record, not too many big names on it.

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