Mayweather, Canelo, and then Garcia?

[Thomastearns]

Looks like things are on track for the eventual Canelo cartel replacement.

With a bit of careful matchmaking a whole new chapter in boxing history is about to be written.

You can also bet the cartel can almost smell the mountains of money to be made...



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... g/51513872

[Onetimeonly]

More like the Paul brothers.

[margaret thatcher]

Not really confident he's even approaching that level of quality, need to see more

[boxing_rocks]

He hasn't even had his chin checked.

[Best Coast]

Looks like things are on track for the eventual Canelo cartel replacement.

With a bit of careful matchmaking a whole new chapter in boxing history is about to be written.

You can also bet the cartel can almost smell the mountains of money to be made...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=amp

You make a good point about Garcia benefiting from cautious matchmaking and it explains why the article is so revealing. Both Teo Lopez (Prospect of Year for 2018) and Vergil Ortiz (POY in 2019) have surpassed Ryan Garcia in their fistic development. That despite the fact that Ryan has been pro longer than either Lopez or Ortiz and has 5-6 more pro fights than either one.

Garcia depends too much on his Instagram social media hype and he is clearly De La Hoya's personal favorite. That's why Oscar has Ryan being mentored by Canelo and being hyped as the "next Canelo". I think he is somewhat overrated at this point due to all the hype.

He should be able to handle Linares in the summer but I dont expect him to fight Gervonta or Haney any time soon. I could see Garcia fighting the winner of Campbell-Fortuna late in the year but maybe Ryan fights another tune-up before a title challenge, especially if he has trouble with Linares in the summer.

[gregregegg]

If the Linares fight happens then that's the end of his prospect life. After that he gotta hunt belts.

[boxing_rocks]

he is clearly De La Hoya's personal favorite.

Are they wearing fishnets together?

[Onetimeonly]

Yeah, he clearly prefers Garcia to canelo.

[Best Coast]

Yeah, he clearly prefers Garcia to canelo.

Canelo is a big boy & can take care of himself. Compared to Canelo, Babyface Garcia is still in his infancy & needs to be pampered with easy opposition.

[Enlightened-One]

Ryan Garcia’s relationship with GBP is allegedly pretty strained. He also competes on the DAZN platform, which supposedly has less than one million subscribers in the US.

So it’s going to be very challenging for a US fighter to achieve mainstream crossover appeal on home turf when he’s receiving very little media coverage.

Of course, the situation might change in the long-term, because Ryan is only 21 years of age, but there’s nothing about the trajectory of his current career path to suggest he’s destined for superstardom.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He has 5mm Instagram followers.

Hes 21

If hes good enough in the ring he will be a superstar but thats a big "if"

[Perseus]

He has 5mm Instagram followers.

Hes 21

If hes good enough in the ring he will be a superstar but thats a big "if"

People who are behind the times don't understand millions of followers on social media platforms equals great media coverage.

At 21 he's already the main event and drew a little over 10,000 to the Honda Center(according to Rafael).
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... t-division

He has the exposure and it's growing, the question mark is his skill set.

[Thomastearns]

It's only natural that Garcia might want to carefully look at his share of the cartel's takings, just like Mayweather and Canelo did before him, but there's little doubt he's already made more money by doing less than anyone in boxing before.

He's now in prime position within the Canelo camp and Eddy Reynoso is already a firm believer.

Going forward he will have all of the advantages that can be had, both inside and outside of the ring - and the future, perhaps even De la Hoya's promise of a $700 million contract, is his if he wants it.

Or he could just retire tomorrow if he doesn't fancy it.

But first he might want to take a good look at Julio Caesar Chavez Jr.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxing ... rstar/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxing ... -deal/amp/

[Best Coast]

Going forward he will have all of the advantages that can be had, both inside and outside of the ring - and the future, perhaps even De la Hoya's promise of a $700 million contract, is his if he wants it.

Or he could just retire tomorrow if he doesn't fancy it.

But first he might want to take a good look at Julio Caesar Chavez Jr.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxing ... rstar/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxing ... -deal/amp/

Good points. The commentators mentioned Friday night that Garcia wants to retire from boxing at an early age and get into movies. I really question whether Ryan has the fighter's heart that Canelo has, but I think he is clearly better than Chavez Jr & will go farther than JCC Jr.

[Enlightened-One]

People who are behind the times don't understand millions of followers on social media platforms equals great media coverage

The only thing that matters are his viewing figures and the volume of new subscribers he can attract for DAZN.

That’s the only thing that needs to be understood.

A sizeable social media following doesn’t guarantee commercial success.

[Perseus]

People who are behind the times don't understand millions of followers on social media platforms equals great media coverage

The only thing that matters are his viewing figures and the volume of new subscribers he can attract for DAZN.

That’s the only thing that needs to be understood.

A sizeable social media following doesn’t guarantee commercial success.

It does not but it does eliminate the need for "mainstream" media coverage/ air time.
Depending on the source he has somewhere between 4 and 5 million social media followers.
DAZN allegedly has approximately 800,000 subscribers in America.
What percentage of his social media following needs to pick up DAZN to be commercially successful for you?

[Enlightened-One]

The only thing that matters are his viewing figures and the volume of new subscribers he can attract for DAZN.

That’s the only thing that needs to be understood.

A sizeable social media following doesn’t guarantee commercial success.

It does not but it does eliminate the need for "mainstream" media coverage/ air time.
Depending on the source he has somewhere between 4 and 5 million social media followers.
DAZN allegedly has approximately 800,000 subscribers in America.
What percentage of his social media following needs to pick up DAZN to be commercially successful for you?

DAZN doesn't publish viewing or subscriber figures, including peaks and troughs in trends due to significant sporting events. There’s no data available.

I suspect you didn’t realise this, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question.

That being said, Ryan Garcia's superficially impressive social media following hasn’t resulted in his commercial worth increasing, because he was only paid a paltry $250K payday for his most recent outing.

And would it be wrong to assume that other fighters are being paid much bigger sums, despite having vastly inferior social media followers?

For example: Ryan Garcia 5.1m Instagram followers versus Dillian Whyte's measly 347K, but the Brit earns a hell of a lot more than the American youngster does. Also, Canelo has 6.5m Instagram followers, not that much more than Ryan Garcia, but his most recent purse was $35m.

There’s a reason why DAZN are paying Canelo big bucks… and it’s not because of his Instagram account.

Tommy Fury has 3m Instagram followers. His brother Tyson only has 2.5m.

The younger Fury has such a huge social media presence because of his activities outside the ring. None of the TV networks are interested in signing him up to showcase his bouts. Whereas big brother received $100m from ESPN to sign-up for a multi-fight deal.

[Perseus]

It does not but it does eliminate the need for "mainstream" media coverage/ air time.
Depending on the source he has somewhere between 4 and 5 million social media followers.
DAZN allegedly has approximately 800,000 subscribers in America.
What percentage of his social media following needs to pick up DAZN to be commercially successful for you?

DAZN doesn't publish viewing or subscriber figures, including peaks and troughs in trends due to significant sporting events. There’s no data available.

I suspect you didn’t realise this, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question.

That being said, Ryan Garcia's superficially impressive social media following hasn’t resulted in his commercial worth increasing, because he was only paid a paltry $250K payday for his most recent outing.

And would it be wrong to assume that other fighters are being paid much bigger sums, despite having vastly inferior social media followers?

For example: Ryan Garcia 5.1m Instagram followers versus Dillian Whyte's measly 347K, but the Brit earns a hell of a lot more than the American youngster does. Also, Canelo has 6.5m Instagram followers, not that much more than Ryan Garcia, but his most recent purse was $35m.

There’s a reason why DAZN are paying Canelo big bucks… and it’s not because of his Instagram account.

Tommy Fury has 3m Instagram followers. His brother Tyson only has 2.5m.

The younger Fury has such a huge social media presence because of his activities outside the ring. None of the TV networks are interested in signing him up to showcase his bouts. Whereas big brother received $100m from ESPN to sign-up for a multi-fight deal.

I know DAZN numbers are difficult to find that's why I said "allegedly" 800,000 American subscribers and I believe I've seen you use that same number on other threads.
I just wanted to see how you measure commercial success. If 800,000 is a reasonably close estimate and just 5% of the Garcia followers pick up DAZN is that success? 10%? 20%?

I would hope Whyte makes more than Garcia at this point. He's been around and relevant in his division for much longer, has proven himself to be one of the top guys in his division and has had bigger fights.
That Tyson Fury guy may have proven to be pretty good in the ring too.
Tommy Fury is even younger than Garcia.
Garcia is barely past the prospect stage. IF he proves to be an elite fighter, elite money will come with it.

[Enlightened-One]

DAZN doesn't publish viewing or subscriber figures, including peaks and troughs in trends due to significant sporting events. There’s no data available.

I suspect you didn’t realise this, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question.

That being said, Ryan Garcia's superficially impressive social media following hasn’t resulted in his commercial worth increasing, because he was only paid a paltry $250K payday for his most recent outing.

And would it be wrong to assume that other fighters are being paid much bigger sums, despite having vastly inferior social media followers?

For example: Ryan Garcia 5.1m Instagram followers versus Dillian Whyte's measly 347K, but the Brit earns a hell of a lot more than the American youngster does. Also, Canelo has 6.5m Instagram followers, not that much more than Ryan Garcia, but his most recent purse was $35m.

There’s a reason why DAZN are paying Canelo big bucks… and it’s not because of his Instagram account.

Tommy Fury has 3m Instagram followers. His brother Tyson only has 2.5m.

The younger Fury has such a huge social media presence because of his activities outside the ring. None of the TV networks are interested in signing him up to showcase his bouts. Whereas big brother received $100m from ESPN to sign-up for a multi-fight deal.

I know DAZN numbers are difficult to find that's why I said "allegedly" 800,000 American subscribers and I believe I've seen you use that same number on other threads.
I just wanted to see how you measure commercial success. If 800,000 is a reasonably close estimate and just 5% of the Garcia followers pick up DAZN is that success? 10%? 20%?

I would hope Whyte makes more than Garcia at this point. He's been around and relevant in his division for much longer, has proven himself to be one of the top guys in his division and has had bigger fights.
That Tyson Fury guy may have proven to be pretty good in the ring too.
Tommy Fury is even younger than Garcia.
Garcia is barely past the prospect stage. IF he proves to be an elite fighter, elite money will come with it.

The point I’m making is that social media coverage is not the same as audience viewing figures of bouts. The correlation between the two in many instances is close to zero. And I’ve provided examples to illustrate this point (i.e. Tommy Fury and Dillian Whyte).

Also, to reiterate a point I made about DAZN subscribers, there is no data available to quantify commercial success in terms of increased figures due to certain key sporting events being staged, which renders any guess made by industry outsiders as being utterly meaningless.

It’s like asking me to guess how main grains of sand is in a jar, whilst being blindfolded.

If the people that follow Ryan Garcia aren’t willing to pay for the privilege to watch his bouts, and this definitely seems to be the case for at least 85% of his Instagram followers, then this means that having a sizable social media following doesn’t equal “great media coverage”.

If you’re going to accuse people of being “behind the times” and failing to understand the importance of having millions of followers on social media platforms on their commercial worth, then you need to educate us old folk, because as far as I can see, this doesn’t seem to equate to bigger purses or increased audience figures for bouts.