danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 11:42
Goes to show really. Wilder won a bronze medal and could’ve then developed his skills learnt at that level as an amateur and fought some decent level opponents and been a seasoned fighter with a great right hand. Instead, he let Haymon, Finkle and the likes protect the fvck out of him, destroy 38 absolute tomato cans who’d all probably lose on the same day to Dave Allen or Chisora and grow his ridiculous ego to the level that one punch can beat absolutely anyone in the business. Fast forward ten years and after an enormous 42 fights, he’s learnt absolutely nothing, throwing the same one punch he threw on his debut and got given his first boxing lesson. Ridiculous career
Good post,although i'm not John Fury's biggest fan i bet he is very proud of how Tyson has recovered and he was bang on when he said Wilder couldn't possibly improve on the last fight
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 11:42
Goes to show really. Wilder won a bronze medal and could’ve then developed his skills learnt at that level as an amateur and fought some decent level opponents and been a seasoned fighter with a great right hand. Instead, he let Haymon, Finkle and the likes protect the fvck out of him, destroy 38 absolute tomato cans who’d all probably lose on the same day to Dave Allen or Chisora and grow his ridiculous ego to the level that one punch can beat absolutely anyone in the business. Fast forward ten years and after an enormous 42 fights, he’s learnt absolutely nothing, throwing the same one punch he threw on his debut and got given his first boxing lesson. Ridiculous career
Absolutely correct,when i seen Wilder take the belt against stiverne i thought he boxed well and got behing his jab and i thought he would develop into a better boxer but he never and,like you say has learned nothing,yes he is fit yes he is athletic but thats it
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 11:42
Goes to show really. Wilder won a bronze medal and could’ve then developed his skills learnt at that level as an amateur and fought some decent level opponents and been a seasoned fighter with a great right hand. Instead, he let Haymon, Finkle and the likes protect the fvck out of him, destroy 38 absolute tomato cans who’d all probably lose on the same day to Dave Allen or Chisora and grow his ridiculous ego to the level that one punch can beat absolutely anyone in the business. Fast forward ten years and after an enormous 42 fights, he’s learnt absolutely nothing, throwing the same one punch he threw on his debut and got given his first boxing lesson. Ridiculous career
But it's not , he's got about 30 million dollars in the bank , a ridiculous career is getting mullered because of the lack of skill and having nothing in the bank, I'd say it's been a career of success with what they've got to work with.
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 11:42
Goes to show really. Wilder won a bronze medal and could’ve then developed his skills learnt at that level as an amateur and fought some decent level opponents and been a seasoned fighter with a great right hand. Instead, he let Haymon, Finkle and the likes protect the fvck out of him, destroy 38 absolute tomato cans who’d all probably lose on the same day to Dave Allen or Chisora and grow his ridiculous ego to the level that one punch can beat absolutely anyone in the business. Fast forward ten years and after an enormous 42 fights, he’s learnt absolutely nothing, throwing the same one punch he threw on his debut and got given his first boxing lesson. Ridiculous career
But it's not , he's got about 30 million dollars in the bank , a ridiculous career is getting mullered because of the lack of skill and having nothing in the bank, I'd say it's been a career of success with what they've got to work with.
I’m not knocking his celebrity, if it’s a case of wanting to get to a position where his made money and now can fvck off then fine they’ve done well but if he wanted to be the best boxer in the world, there approach was flawed and has been found out
I don't knock any boxer who enters the ring, exept the youtubers, but, Wilder has been elevated in popularity because America needs a successful heavy weight. Hes not top draw.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 02:25
If Fury is so clumsy, not a sharp puncher, not good defensively, total sh!te, etc....you'd think a massive puncher with supposed high end boxing ability would have easy times with him wouldn't you?
He's commanded a huge size advantage over every single opponent he has ever faced, no other fighter in the sport has that advantage.
afcpaul wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 13:28
I don't knock any boxer who enters the ring, exept the youtubers, but, Wilder has been elevated in popularity because America needs a successful heavy weight. Hes not top draw.
He's commanded a huge size advantage over every single opponent he has ever faced, no other fighter in the sport has that advantage.
Canelo ?
Since when has Canelo had 42 pounds on someone? Fwiw i do think Canelo has benefitted from being a drainer earlier in his career but he was the smaller guy in some of his better wins like Trout, Golovkin and Kovalev. Fury is essentially a weight division bigger than anyone he's ever faced bar wlad.
Since when has Canelo had 42 pounds on someone? Fwiw i do think Canelo has benefitted from being a drainer earlier in his career but he was the smaller guy in some of his better wins like Trout, Golovkin and Kovalev. Fury is essentially a weight division bigger than anyone he's ever faced bar wlad.
It’s almost like you’ve just discovered what the heavyweight division is
Since when has Canelo had 42 pounds on someone? Fwiw i do think Canelo has benefitted from being a drainer earlier in his career but he was the smaller guy in some of his better wins like Trout, Golovkin and Kovalev. Fury is essentially a weight division bigger than anyone he's ever faced bar wlad.
It’s almost like you’ve just discovered what the heavyweight division is
Well, boys, it’s been an emotional ten plus years on here, I’ve enjoyed being called everything from a pig to a dog for saying Fury was the real deal since the amateurs...
I’m off now, my work here is done.
Old Jack J wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 10:47
Fair play Tyson!
I was like most others. Either Wilder KO or Fury points. Couldn't see any other outcome!
Crazy gameplan from Team Fury but that's why he is a Champion and I just like watching.
This will go down as an all time great win. A boxer going toe to toe vs one of the hardest punchers seen in the sport and having a shoot out! Seems suicidal from Fury!
The best thing about it was he told everyone he was going to do just that and how many of us believed him ?
I know I didn't .
mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 14:28
Well, boys, it’s been an emotional ten plus years on here, I’ve enjoyed being called everything from a pig to a dog for saying Fury was the real deal since the amateurs...
I’m off now, my work here is done.
Fair play Mickey , you've backed him to the hilt .
I really have changed my opinion on him and he seems a really great fella when his head is right .
And I've been completely wrong about his boxing skills .
Only thing for me is he needs to take on a few of the other top contenders to cement his legacy ,i hope he does that because his last few fights have been a fantastic watch .
Why would you leave the forum now ? Surely he's got so much more to offer the sport ?
Old Jack J wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 10:47
Fair play Tyson!
I was like most others. Either Wilder KO or Fury points. Couldn't see any other outcome!
Crazy gameplan from Team Fury but that's why he is a Champion and I just like watching.
This will go down as an all time great win. A boxer going toe to toe vs one of the hardest punchers seen in the sport and having a shoot out! Seems suicidal from Fury!
The best thing about it was he told everyone he was going to do just that and how many of us believed him ?
I know I didn't .
Majority of people thought it was just Fury talking poo again!
Well, he keeps backing everything up that he says. I remember the days when Price was talked of and how easy it would be for him to KO Tyson.
Rewatched the fight.
Very entertaining.
I did notice at the end, Fury lent down to Arum and said;
"That was too easy"
Bob looked up and nodded.
I think the rematch will be even easier if it happens. Tyson had Wilders number in the first fight, and in the second he was all over him.
A third fight seems null and void to me, it will be another beatdown for Wilder.
Since when has Canelo had 42 pounds on someone? Fwiw i do think Canelo has benefitted from being a drainer earlier in his career but he was the smaller guy in some of his better wins like Trout, Golovkin and Kovalev. Fury is essentially a weight division bigger than anyone he's ever faced bar wlad.
It’s almost like you’ve just discovered what the heavyweight division is
KiwiRider wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:02
Rewatched the fight.
Very entertaining.
I did notice at the end, Fury lent down to Arum and said;
"That was too easy"
Bob looked up and nodded.
I think the rematch will be even easier if it happens. Tyson had Wilders number in the first fight, and in the second he was all over him.
A third fight seems null and void to me, it will be another beatdown for Wilder.
Don't think he'll want any part of it .
He took a career changing beating and can't see him jumping back in with Fury any time soon .
Wilder looked like Kimbo Slice getting mugged and mauled by that tubby policeman into exhaustion. Especially the body language as he’s being beaten down, rocking and reeling sideways.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:40
Fury had the exact same weight advantage in the first fight, it was nothing new
The new thing was, that he used the weight advantage in the second fight. Leaning on Wilder, shoving him back. And of course, throwing heavier punches.
Ya, it's just weird to see Ricky bring up the weight as if he just learned about it. The exact same weight disparity was there the first fight and he didn't seem to think weight mattered
Ricky wrote: ↑22 Feb 2020, 16:05
Tyson Fury is a giant bum, a big fat parody of an elusive fighter that looks utterly ridiculous trying roll punches with his big fat 7 foot frame. He's going to get flattened tonight then hopefully go back to the WWF circus where he belongs.
Ricky wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 02:56Ditto. I've shat on him plenty so his fans can have their moment, fine by me - I'm still just not buying into him though, his skillset just doesn't impress me at all.
Pathetic.
He's the best in the world.
I understand not liking Fury's personality. It's a little "yang" for me as well. But calling him a bum or saying his only attribute is size is beyond ridiculous. There have been many big bozos, Valuev and guys even worse like Mike "The Giant" white. Fury is well skilled.
Fury is excellent, if not great. Decent jab and hand and foot speed. Very good with the body shots and he can fight orthodox and southpaw.
