Dillian Whyte not pleased with Eddie Hearn pushing for Fury-Joshua fight

[candyslim]

I think he'd be silly. Thanks to Matchroom and Sky (and mainly his own efforts obviously) Whyte is now a multi-millionaire. So he doesn't have the patronage of that corrupt t*rd at the World Boxing Conspiracy, ho hum.

It would be nice to have the official recognition that goes with a belt, but Dill is a pragmatic bloke and he'll keep on doing what he does.

[SkinnyFat]

F**K Whyte who cares! hes a coward drug cheat

[candyslim]

Oh goody. Just what the forum needs another f*cking idiot.

[Enlightened-One]

Eddie Hearn will do his upmost to retain Dillian Whyte within his stable of fighters, even though they technically only have a fight-by-fight contractual working relationship, because he’s a big financial draw.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ will be headlining his fifth PPV event in May and when he beats Alexander Povetkin, it’ll surely only enhance his reputation and marketability.

Whyte might be the third biggest commercial draw in heavyweight boxing at this point in time, which means that (due to the process of elimination) Fury, Joshua and maybe even Wilder will inevitably want to face him at some point.

[3132DW]

cant blame whyte for being pissed off with he delay and now a new version of it to be added on , but the public want to see AJ v Fury and not Whyte V Fury so its tough titty !

can see whyte ditching matchroom over this ..

Where does he ditch them to ?

He’s going to have his 5th PPV shortly - he’s making more money than he could ever have dreamed of.

Top Rank have TF ....Matchroom have Joshua and numerous other Heavyweights.

What’s BT going to get him - BJS/Warrington left as they couldn’t get the fights.

[Evander]

Whyte likely has a guaranteed big money fight signed a long time ago.
Didn't he accept step aside money ?

Dillian Whyte received a disingenuous offer from Eddie Hearn to face Anthony Joshua. The sum was less than the purse ‘The Body Snatcher’ received for the Chisora rematch and significantly less than amount Miller/Ruiz Jr. received from Matchroom.

I can’t recall an instance when Dillian Whyte received payment to step-aside. And I can’t find one either.

Fair enough.

[candyslim]

I could be wrong but I think Whyte might have seen being low-balled by Eddie as a blessing. Don't misunderstand me, Whyte isn't scared of anyone, but he is smart enough to know that there's a reason he would have been the underdog in the betting against Joshua who was unbeaten at that time and looking likely to remain so.

He would have known losing again was not beyond the bounds of possibility and would his fledgling PPV career have survived another loss? Maybe, maybe not. In his place I'd have chosen a different path, I may even have asked Hearn to curb his generosity if he was thinking of making me an offer, that way I could claim the money on offer wasn't serious so I could go about my business of building my Sky PPV fortune, and AJ would be free to - ahem - go conquer America. Joshua v Whyte 2 could wait until it was for all the marbles assuming Sulaiman would finally do the decent thing.

I don't know if such thinking ever entered Dillian's head, but that is how I'd have been looking at it in his position.

[Tevfik1907]

Actually Whyte could happen before Joshua.

If I am not mistaken, Fury has 5 fights deal with ESPN, and he said his fights needs to happen in USA.

He fought 3 fights, and his 4th fight will be with Wilder. Then he still needs to fight one more opponent in USA before finishing the deal with ESPN.

That guy could be Whyte, with that last fight he can totally secure the WBC title.

Then Fury finishes off his 5 fights deal with ESPN, and if Joshua beats Pulev and Usyk, he will secure the IBF and WBO titles, then Fury vs Joshua unification bout can happen in England.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Dillian Whyte received a disingenuous offer from Eddie Hearn to face Anthony Joshua. The sum was less than the purse ‘The Body Snatcher’ received for the Chisora rematch and significantly less than amount Miller/Ruiz Jr. received from Matchroom.

I can’t recall an instance when Dillian Whyte received payment to step-aside. And I can’t find one either.

Fair enough.

Hearn stated the offers made to Whyte, the so-called 'low-ball offers', all came from AJ himself. Hearn just presented the offers to Whyte.

[Enlightened-One]

Fair enough.

Hearn stated the offers made to Whyte, the so-called 'low-ball offers', all came from AJ himself. Hearn just presented the offers to Whyte.

It doesn’t really matter who the guilty party was. Whyte was low-balled.

And there may have been perfectly valid commercial reasons for AJ to choose a different route, but submitting a low-ball offer knowing full-well that it’s going to be rejected, is merely a token gesture enabling them to boast to the media that they at least tried to make the fight. Hence Eddie Hearn’s “keys to the kingdom” quote.

[Rgoodwin]

Whyte gets easily beaten by Fury.

[3132DW]

Hearn stated the offers made to Whyte, the so-called 'low-ball offers', all came from AJ himself. Hearn just presented the offers to Whyte.

It doesn’t really matter who the guilty party was. Whyte was low-balled.

And there may have been perfectly valid commercial reasons for AJ to choose a different route, but submitting a low-ball offer knowing full-well that it’s going to be rejected, is merely a token gesture enabling them to boast to the media that they at least tried to make the fight. Hence Eddie Hearn’s “keys to the kingdom” quote.

If Whyte was that confident of beating AJ in a re-match - why not take it for 3-4m region ?

Matchroom through PPV had made him multi millionaire anyway.

He beats AJ he’s on for 20m - loses he’s not much worse off.

[candyslim]

Whyte gets easily beaten by Fury.

Maybe not 'easily' but he would definitely struggle to cope with Fury's mobility. I don't necessarily think that Fury is favourite to beat Joshua, but I do think Whyte would be more of a threat to AJ than Tyson.

[candyslim]

It doesn’t really matter who the guilty party was. Whyte was low-balled.

And there may have been perfectly valid commercial reasons for AJ to choose a different route, but submitting a low-ball offer knowing full-well that it’s going to be rejected, is merely a token gesture enabling them to boast to the media that they at least tried to make the fight. Hence Eddie Hearn’s “keys to the kingdom” quote.

If Whyte was that confident of beating AJ in a re-match - why not take it for 3-4m region ?

Matchroom through PPV had made him multi millionaire anyway.

He beats AJ he’s on for 20m - loses he’s not much worse off.

Well he could well be worse off. Lose to AJ and maybe Sky pull the plug on his PPV career. It could cost him millions.

I put forward my theory near the top of this page but nobody made any comment as to whether or not they thought there was anything in it. Shame, I'd like to know what people think even if it's that I'm talking sh1te.

[Enlightened-One]

If Whyte was that confident of beating AJ in a re-match - why not take it for 3-4m region ?

Matchroom through PPV had made him multi millionaire anyway.

He beats AJ he’s on for 20m - loses he’s not much worse off.

I am not aware of any human being that is willing to take a pay cut in order to perform their regular job in order to chase a dangling carrot that may ultimately be unreachable.

Joshua offered Whyte a payday that was smaller than sums Dillian had previously commanded facing other opponents. The same purse AJ offered was also smaller than paydays he’d agreed with other fighters (i.e. Ruiz Jr. and Miller) to compete on the same fight-date.

If something controversial had happened and Whyte was somehow deprived of a well-deserved victory, which is known to happen in our beloved sport, whereby the cash cows are often favoured by the judges and referees, then he’d unlikely receive an opportunity to engage in the rematch (i.e. De La Hoya versus Sturm).

Hearn’s “keys to the kingdom” quote is utter disingenuous nonsense, which is the stance that you’ve taken, because I’ve also seen Eddie regularly rant about how fighters are perfectly justified to protect their own interests and ensure they’re paid their commercial worth.

And besides, Ruiz Jr's guarantee for the first fight was $7m and the equivalet sum for the rematch was only $9m (due to the stipulations in the rematch clause that had been negotiated before the first bout). And the sums offered to Dillian were much lower than that. So your so-called $20m for beating Joshua would have never happened in any version of reality.

[Enlightened-One]

I could be wrong but I think Whyte might have seen being low-balled by Eddie as a blessing. Don't misunderstand me, Whyte isn't scared of anyone, but he is smart enough to know that there's a reason he would have been the underdog in the betting against Joshua who was unbeaten at that time and looking likely to remain so.

He would have known losing again was not beyond the bounds of possibility and would his fledgling PPV career have survived another loss? Maybe, maybe not. In his place I'd have chosen a different path, I may even have asked Hearn to curb his generosity if he was thinking of making me an offer, that way I could claim the money on offer wasn't serious so I could go about my business of building my Sky PPV fortune, and AJ would be free to - ahem - go conquer America. Joshua v Whyte 2 could wait until it was for all the marbles assuming Sulaiman would finally do the decent thing.

I don't know if such thinking ever entered Dillian's head, but that is how I'd have been looking at it in his position.

Out of interest, are there any fighters that you can name that has faced as many top contenders as Dillian Whyte has done (engaging in real life-and-death type tussles) that has never received an opportunity to compete in a world title fight?

I feel that Hearn’s original plan was to get Wilder to face (and lose to) either AJ or Dillian, in order to allow Matchroom Sky/DAZN to gain control of all four world titles.

Perhaps Eddie also thought that there might be insufficient demand (at this point in time) to see the Joshua-Whyte rematch, considering the fact that AJ won the first fight via stoppage. Unless Dillian captured the WBC belt, which would then deem the bout as being a huge commercial event.

I think if Whyte wanted to protect his zero, he wouldn’t have been matched against so many tough opponents. Eddie Hearn has treated Dillian a bit like Carl Froch in that respect.

Regardless, I don’t think AJ wanted to face Whyte during June last year for his US debut, hence the reason for the face-saving disingenuous offer.

DAZN probably preferred the Brit to either face either an American or a fighter that is well known on US shores for his MSG bout, hence Matchroom’s offers to Miler, Ortiz and Ruiz Jr. (being bigger purses than what Dillian was offered).

[candyslim]

So you don't think there is any possibility that Whyte was content to be low-balled? I think he was single-mindedly intent on pursuing Wilder, was supremely confident he'd do what Fury did to him, then Joshua v Whyte lL would be as eagerly anticipated and as lucrative as is now Fury v Joshua l. Why risk a defeat for $6m or even $10m when you could risk defeat for upwards of $30m?

It might have worked too if Sulaiman applied the rules of his own organisation with equanimity. Unfortunately though he's a weapons-grade c*nt.

ps EO I typed this before I saw your reply. I'll get back on that.

[Enlightened-One]

So you don't think there is any possibility that Whyte was content to be low-balled? I think he was single-mindedly intent on pursuing Wilder, was supremely confident he'd do what Fury did to him, then Joshua v Whyte lL would be as eagerly anticipated and as lucrative as is now Fury v Joshua l. Why risk a defeat for $6m or even $10m when you could risk defeat for upwards of $30m?

It might have worked too if Sulaiman applied the rules of his own organisation with equanimity. Unfortunately though he's a weapons-grade c*nt.

ps EO I typed this before I saw your reply. I'll get back on that.

Dillian wasn't the mandatory challenger to Deontay Wilder at the time AJ submitted the disingenuous offer. The Wilder fight wasn't on the table for Whyte.

However, if Whyte knew the Wilder fight was inevitable in the short-term, he may have preferred to capture the WBC title, appreciating the fact that a title unification rematch against AJ would be a much biggr commercial event than it would have otherwise been, but this wasn't how things played out in the real-world.

So I'm not sure if Whyte was content about AJ submitting the small purse. He probably feels as though the WBC won't give him a title shot.

And if Fury overcomes Wilder again, Tyson's team will lobby the WBC to grant him an extension to engage in a title unification bout against Joshua, which means that Whyte probably won't get his shot at the title until late 2021 at the earliest.

Put it this way, Tyson Fury isn't obliged by the WBC to face Dillian Whyte until February 2021 (4½ years after the 'The Body Snatcher' won his first WBC eliminator, 3½ years after he became the WBC’s highest-ranked contender and 20 months after achieving mandatory challenger status). But if the WBC grant Tyson an extension to allow the Fury-Joshua super-fight, then Whyte may have to wait another six to twelve months longer than the February 2021 deadline.

[candyslim]

I could be wrong but I think Whyte might have seen being low-balled by Eddie as a blessing. Don't misunderstand me, Whyte isn't scared of anyone, but he is smart enough to know that there's a reason he would have been the underdog in the betting against Joshua who was unbeaten at that time and looking likely to remain so.

He would have known losing again was not beyond the bounds of possibility and would his fledgling PPV career have survived another loss? Maybe, maybe not. In his place I'd have chosen a different path, I may even have asked Hearn to curb his generosity if he was thinking of making me an offer, that way I could claim the money on offer wasn't serious so I could go about my business of building my Sky PPV fortune, and AJ would be free to - ahem - go conquer America. Joshua v Whyte 2 could wait until it was for all the marbles assuming Sulaiman would finally do the decent thing.

I don't know if such thinking ever entered Dillian's head, but that is how I'd have been looking at it in his position.

Out of interest, are there any fighters that you can name that has faced as many top contenders as Dillian Whyte has done (engaging in real life-and-death type tussles) that has never received an opportunity to compete in a world title fight?

cs: No I don't believe there has been ... Maybe Harry Wills

I feel that Hearn’s original plan was to get Wilder to face (and lose to) either AJ or Dillian, in order to allow Matchroom Sky/DAZN to gain control of all four world titles.

cs: Oh no doubt.

Perhaps Eddie also thought that there might be insufficient demand (at this point in time) to see the Joshua-Whyte rematch, considering the fact that AJ won the first fight via stoppage. Unless Dillian captured the WBC belt, which would then deem the bout as being a huge commercial event.

cs: I think he'd have been right too. Personally I had zero desire to see Joshua v Whyte 2 at that time partly because I didn't want to see Whyte risk his status as Sky's second choice PPV heavyweight.

I think if Whyte wanted to protect his zero, he wouldn’t have been matched against so many tough opponents. Eddie Hearn has treated Dillian a bit like Carl Froch in that respect.

cs: It was never my intention to make it seem I considered Whyte risk-averse, but bearing in mind how dominant Joshua looked pre-Ruiz l, I think you might agree there would have appeared quite a gulf between the potential to lose to Joshua and the potential to lose to even Joe Parker, never mind Browne or Helenius etc. I'm not intending to denigrate Dillian Whyte in any way, I have tremendous respect for his courage ... but also his ability to do a proper risk assessment and exercise due 'Dilliangence'

My comments above preceded 'cs:'

[candyslim]

So you don't think there is any possibility that Whyte was content to be low-balled? I think he was single-mindedly intent on pursuing Wilder, was supremely confident he'd do what Fury did to him, then Joshua v Whyte lL would be as eagerly anticipated and as lucrative as is now Fury v Joshua l. Why risk a defeat for $6m or even $10m when you could risk defeat for upwards of $30m?

It might have worked too if Sulaiman applied the rules of his own organisation with equanimity. Unfortunately though he's a weapons-grade c*nt.

ps EO I typed this before I saw your reply. I'll get back on that.

Dillian wasn't the mandatory challenger to Deontay Wilder at the time AJ submitted the disingenuous offer. The Wilder fight wasn't on the table for Whyte.

cs: He was their number one contender though and despite WBC/PBC shenanigans in engineering the Breazeale defence he had every reason to think he'd be next up (at least when Wilder was due to face his next mandatory challenger sometime in 2021)

However, if Whyte knew the Wilder fight was inevitable in the short-term, he may have preferred to capture the WBC title, appreciating the fact that a title unification rematch against AJ would be a much biggr commercial event than it would have otherwise been, but this wasn't how things played out in the real-world.

cs: Indeed it wasn't. See penultimate para of my msg you quoted above.

So I'm not sure if Whyte was content about AJ submitting the small purse. He probably feels as though the WBC won't give him a title shot.

cs: He had to believe it was only a matter of time provided he kept winning. Best chance to keep winning - avoid rushing into a showdown with AJ. That will happen sooner or later, let the fruit continue to grow on that tree.

And if Fury overcomes Wilder again, Tyson's team will lobby the WBC to grant him an extension to engage in a title unification bout against Joshua, which means that Whyte probably won't get his shot at the title until late 2021 at the earliest.

cs: That was a big risk but Dill could be getting very wealthy in the meantime, as indeed he has.

Put it this way, Tyson Fury isn't obliged by the WBC to face Dillian Whyte until February 2021 (4½ years after the 'The Body Snatcher' won his first WBC eliminator, 3½ years after he became the WBC’s highest-ranked contender and 20 months after achieving mandatory challenger status). But if the WBC grant Tyson an extension to allow the Fury-Joshua super-fight, then Whyte may have to wait another six to twelve months longer than the February 2021 deadline.

cs: This is true and it's far from ideal, but Dillian is wealthy and healthy. He has the respect of anyone who knows anything about boxing. He could have fought AJ for around £8m had he got a decent offer, lost like he lost before (he's no fool. he knows it's a long way from impossible), Sky pull the plug on his PPV and the green belt is further away than ever. I still think he followed the right path even knowing the WBC to be crooked scumbags.