Updated RING ratings: Wilder ranked behind Whyte

[jujigatame]

Parker should probably be removed, he has done absolute jack for what, 3-4 years now?

He’s still dining out on his excellent performances during 2018 against Joshua and Whyte, as well as his 2016 victory over Ruiz Jr., which admittedly are fairly impressive feats in comparison to what some of his fellow top-ten peers have accomplished (i.e. compare his resume to those of the Wilder, Hunter, Ortiz, Kownacki and Rivas).

You are giving him a lot of credit for 2 clear cut losses.

[kid macoco]

Who has Whyte neaten to deserve that spot. Ridiculous!

[KiwiRider]

To me they seem like similar level fighters who for a while have been ranked around each other. They shoulda fought

Ort has the nice destruction of Jennings. Then shutting out Scott and stopping Tony as his next best, though a Tony that was at the end of the line and had already lost 11 out of 12 rounds to Takam a few years before

Pov has a lot of good B level wins like Takam, Chag, Chambers, Duhaupas, Perez, etc but nothing really like 'wow that's hot!' . He prob has the better resume overall but I'd rank them around the same.

I have personally always considered Alexander Povetkin as being the better more proven fighter (in their primes) than Luis Ortiz. And here are some reason to explain why:

• Luis Ortiz never won a major international tournament in the amateurs, whereas Alexander Povetkin captured gold medals in the Europeans (twice), the worlds and also the Olympics.

• Luis Ortiz has only ever faced one man that was a former/current world champion, which was the two Wilder defeats, whereas Alexander Povetkin faced eight, beating six of them.

• Alexander Povetkin’s only losses came against guaranteed future Hall-of-Famers (Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko), whereas Luis Ortiz was defeated by Deontay Wilder (with ‘The Bronze Bomber’ lacking credible names on his own record).

• Alexander Povetkin has fought and beaten many more top-ten RING rated heavyweights than Luis Ortiz has.

• The Russian has also competed in seven world title bouts, winning five of them, whereas the Cuban has participated in two (winning none).

• If you review the combined win-loss-draws records of their last twenty opponents, Povetkin’s foes have a 92%-win rate (567 of 622 bouts), whereas Ortiz’s victims only have as 79%-win rate (445 of 564 bouts).

• There are documented instances of Luis Ortiz rejecting opportunities to face the likes of Dillian Whyte and Anthony Joshua, but I don’t believe that Alexander Povetkin has ever done such a thing (with the Russian having already agreed to face ‘The Body Snatcher’ this May).

Nice post EO.

[Finkel]

Who has Whyte neaten to deserve that spot. Ridiculous!

In the last two years Whyte has the better win in beating former champion Parker (who came into 2018 ranked @Ring3).
He also defeated the unbeaten former WBA champion in Browne (yeah, I know, I know)
In addition he has wins over Chisora and Rivas. So in the last 2 years his record is 5-0-0.

In the same period Wilders notable wins were against Ortiz (who came into 2018 @Ring5 and Breazeale @Ring9). He also just got taken apart by Fury. So in the last 2 years his record is 3-1-1.

So dropping behind Whyte is hardly outrageous.

[candyslim]

Another good post. I dunno if I'd personally go for Whyte ahead of Wilder but you make a good case and Whyte has been desperate to prove the point for quite a while now. I think if Dill was still there after three rounds and had got warmed up and into his rythmn I think he would give Wilder fits, but I'm not confident he wouldn't get nailed early. Before Robert Helenius went into his shell he hurt Whyte and had his legs looking rubbery (round 2 was it?) and Helenius doesn't hit like Wilder.

[Rgoodwin]

Wilder would beat Whyte easily. Makes no sense.

[candyslim]

Whyte would pressure him, deny him space and leverage for those long arms, bully him, rough him up, work his slender midsection. Whyte isn't too hard to hit though, takes a while to get into his stride. The early rounds would be a minefield for him. If he got through it he'd be anything but an easy fight for Deontay, but then I probably said much the same about Breazeale

[Paci]

Only Whyte is happy for this and his fanboys.

[DrDuke]

Whyte would pressure him, deny him space and leverage for those long arms, bully him, rough him up, work his slender midsection. Whyte isn't too hard to hit though, takes a while to get into his stride. The early rounds would be a minefield for him. If he got through it he'd be anything but an easy fight for Deontay, but then I probably said much the same about Breazeale

Whyte indeed can be a problem for Wilder early. But he isn't untouchable, Wilder will get to him at one point. Even after his defeat Wilder is still favorable here.

[candyslim]

I'm saying Wilder is at his most dangeroue to Whyte in the early going, less so as the fight goes on.

I say that not because Wilder's power reduces but because Whyte takes a far better shot once he's got fully warmed up and settled to his task. In the later rounds he is less susceptible to a big punch, but his stamina can become an issue.