Efe Ajagba is not sold out on Daniel Dobious

[Boxtune]

Ronnie shields said today that he sees very high of Daniel Dobious and believes Efe and DB will be fighting for heavyweight title next year.

But Efe in this interview, think Dobious doesn't have amateur experience and thinks Joyce will take him out , or maybe if dobious wins on points only. Listen from 06:25 MM:SS .....

[Boxtune]

Regardless of above subject, i think Ronnie shields is knowledgeable but lakes the logic as trainer. He said wilder should taken off that custoums if felt heavy.

How wilder is supposed to know it immidiatly, as weights puts strain on your legs gradually and wilder never practicality tried it for long wait to the ring.

That tells me Efe Ajagba needs a better trainer.

[candyslim]

I must admit I have an idea that Joyce may prove to be a bit too seasoned for Daniel at this stage. You look at Joyce and he seems easy to hit and painfully slow, but you look at his amateur achievements, he's got to be doing something right.

Joyce has a lot more to lose. Dubois is young enough that anything but a crushing defeat is going to be great experience even if it puts an 'L' on his record, but where does Joyce go if loses to a young prospect? I never thought he'd take the fight I thought the risk v reward ratio would be all wrong for Joe.

[Enlightened-One]

How can a fighter, like Efe Ajagba, with a 12-2 amateur record criticise a fellow pro for lacking amateur experience, despite the target of their critique, Daniel Dubois, possessing a 69-6 record in the unpaid ranks?

I know that some forum posters claim Ajagba competed 43 times in the amateurs, which he may or may not have done (I don't really know or care either way), but that's still a small number regardless as to whatever the actual figure is.

[cormack]

Ajagba is still pretty irrelevant and this is just him trying snag a bigger fight like Dubois , why not I would happily watch DDD knock him into next week

[Cyclops]

How can a fighter, like Efe Ajagba, with a 12-2 amateur record criticise a fellow pro for lacking amateur experience, despite the target of their critique, Daniel Dubois, possessing a 69-6 record in the unpaid ranks?

I know that some forum posters claim Ajagba competed 43 times in the amateurs, which he may or may not have done (I don't really know or care either way), but that's still a small number regardless as to whatever the actual figure is.

Joyce has significant experience fighting men as an amateur, as does Ajagba. They were both in the 2016 Olympics and are probably friendly from then. Joyce beat up Dycho, who put the inexperienced Ajabga out of the tournament, and should really have won the gold. Dubois won a lot of stuff as a schoolboy. I don't really know what to read into that. He didn't have a winning record as an adult before turning over. Ajagba isn't talking out of his arse, here.

[Enlightened-One]

How can a fighter, like Efe Ajagba, with a 12-2 amateur record criticise a fellow pro for lacking amateur experience, despite the target of their critique, Daniel Dubois, possessing a 69-6 record in the unpaid ranks?

I know that some forum posters claim Ajagba competed 43 times in the amateurs, which he may or may not have done (I don't really know or care either way), but that's still a small number regardless as to whatever the actual figure is.

Joyce has significant experience fighting men as an amateur, as does Ajagba. They were both in the 2016 Olympics and are probably friendly from then. Joyce beat up Dycho, who put the inexperienced Ajabga out of the tournament, and should really have won the gold. Dubois won a lot of stuff as a schoolboy. I don't really know what to read into that. He didn't have a winning record as an adult before turning over. Ajagba isn't talking out of his arse, here.

Yeah, but making the British team is far more challenging than it is qualifying for Nigeria. And the Brit is three years younger than Ajagba, but competed in many more amateur bouts.

It’s far easier to become the biggest fish in the pond than it is in an ocean.

Put it this way, if Dubois doesn't have any amateur experience, then the same principle pretty much applies to Ajagba also, because the difference between the two seems trivial to me.

Joe Joyce has more experience than Dubois and Ajagba, but that's fairly obvious and out-of-scope of my previous comments.

[margaret thatcher]

As a senior Dubois beat the guy who won the ABAs the next year (Dub had turned pro) and he won the Tammere tournament in Finland. Also Frazier Clarke, who was already doing very well as a senior, admitted teenage Dubs dropped him in sparring. That's not bad at all for such a short time as a senior. I'm pretty sure he would've had a winning record as a senior too, remember the BoxRec amateur records are incomplete

[Cyclops]

Joyce has significant experience fighting men as an amateur, as does Ajagba. They were both in the 2016 Olympics and are probably friendly from then. Joyce beat up Dycho, who put the inexperienced Ajabga out of the tournament, and should really have won the gold. Dubois won a lot of stuff as a schoolboy. I don't really know what to read into that. He didn't have a winning record as an adult before turning over. Ajagba isn't talking out of his arse, here.

Yeah, but making the British team is far more challenging than it is qualifying for Nigeria. And the Brit is three years younger than Ajagba, but competed in many more amateur bouts.

It’s far easier to become the biggest fish in the pond than it is in an ocean.

Put it this way, if Dubois doesn't have any amateur experience, then the same principle pretty much applies to Ajagba also, because the difference between the two seems trivial to me.

Joe Joyce has more experience than Dubois and Ajagba, but that's fairly obvious and out-of-scope of my previous comments.

It's not. It's completely on topic. The whole thread is about Ajagba's picking Joyce because of his amateur experience in comparison to Dubois. I agree with him. Also he got to the Olympic Super-heavyweight quarter finals in his, as you point out, limited amateur career so it's nothing to do with qualifying: he did quite well against the best amateurs in his weight class in the world. It's not trivial. Dubois lost the first three fights he had as a senior amateur and then turned over after two wins, one of which was as KO and the other a UD. You like your research so what was the record of the lad he knocked out?

[Cyclops]

As a senior Dubois beat the guy who won the ABAs the next year (Dub had turned pro) and he won the Tammere tournament in Finland. Also Frazier Clarke, who was already doing very well as a senior, admitted teenage Dubs dropped him in sparring. That's not bad at all for such a short time as a senior. I'm pretty sure he would've had a winning record as a senior too, remember the BoxRec amateur records are incomplete

They sure are: according to Boxrec, Joe Calzaghe has one amateur fight. But they're still pretty useful when you're trying to assess a fighter outside of his professional career.

As for sparring stories, well what have we been taught to think about them?

[margaret thatcher]

Sparring only means so much of course, but most of the reason I give sparring stories little attention overall is because the truth of them is highly questionable, but in this case the guy is admitting it, and Clarke has been doing very well in the ams. And aside from that Dub did have 'official' success in his short time as a senior

[Cyclops]

As a senior Dubois beat the guy who won the ABAs the next year (Dub had turned pro)

Who was that, man? Is he on DDD's Boxrec record? Is he any good?

[margaret thatcher]

https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/850264

Last year went to a split decision vs the worlds bronze medalist from Russia. Also dominated Mihai Nistor in WSB (Nistor beat AJ, Hrg, and some other notables ). Seems not bad., at least good enough to win some fights at the international events he's fought in

[oogiebe]

Efe is just starting to try to build a rivalry with Dubs. Calm down folks.

[KiwiRider]

Efe is just starting to try to build a rivalry with Dubs. Calm down folks.

Maybe.
You would think he might start a rivalry with a less dangerous opponent than DDD.
As for pro levels, Agagba has a way to go before he trys to fight Dobiois.

[oogiebe]

Efe is just starting to try to build a rivalry with Dubs. Calm down folks.

Maybe.
You would think he might start a rivalry with a less dangerous opponent than DDD.
As for pro levels, Agagba has a way to go before he trys to fight Dobiois.

No doubt on your last point. Dubs is way ahead at this juncture.

[Bard of Boxrec]

WHY ARE PEOPLE REPEATEDLY MISSPELLING DUBOIS

[oogiebe]

WHY ARE PEOPLE REPEATEDLY MISSPELLING DUBOIS

It's the same poster over and over again.

[Tony1244]

I'm not sold out on Efe Ajagba.

[Tony1244]

WHY ARE PEOPLE REPEATEDLY MISSPELLING DUBOIS

It's the same poster over and over again.

I'm dubious about that.

[oogiebe]

It's the same poster over and over again.

I'm dubious about that.

Indubitably

[Tony1244]

I'm dubious about that.

Indubitably

I thought you didn't do those anymore?

[oogiebe]

Indubitably

I thought you didn't do those anymore?

What?

[Cyclops]

https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/850264

Last year went to a split decision vs the worlds bronze medalist from Russia. Also dominated Mihai Nistor in WSB (Nistor beat AJ, Hrg, and some other notables ). Seems not bad., at least good enough to win some fights at the international events he's fought in

Interesting.

[cormack]

WHY ARE PEOPLE REPEATEDLY MISSPELLING DUBOIS

It's the same poster over and over again.

probably cant even spell his own name !