Yes, I think that was my point. We prefer people we identify with, & that starts with ourselves, our family, friends, community etc. You may say that you have no people but you are most likely an American & you have been bombarded with propaganda from birth telling you that you have no people, that White people have no culture. But tell that to a Black American or a British Muslim or an Irish gypsy or a Jew. That would be very insulting thing to say.
People get insulted by stupid stuff everyday; perhaps we can agree on that. Sounds as though you have never visited the US. We are NOT told we have no people. We are told we are Americans and sure I root for the US in the Olympics and nothing is wrong for cheering for your countrymen. I never said otherwise.
My point is I very often have more in common with a person from a different religion, color or background. I'll provide a very simple example: I'm a white American, but I'd rather hang out with Lennox Lewis than Mike Pence. Not even close regarding who I like better.
No, it has nothing to do with it, honestly. I laid it out a few posts up. The numbers simply do not bare it out. I am not even touching a qualitative aspect of this argument. I am simply saying that the number of Black athletes who are drafted to get an opportunity to become professional NFL or NBA players each year is roughly 200 or so. That is just an opportunity, not a guarantee of becoming professional. Becoming a professional is no guarantee of playing, playing is no guarantee of starting, starting is no guarantee of becoming a star. No talented amateur HW boxer is giving up a shot at the most prestigious title on Earth just to be a second team Defensive End in NFL. This argument makes no sense, particularly when contrasted with arguments that seem to make perfect sense. Nobody has even attempted to "prove" this argument. It's somehow become a mantra that gets repeated but never expanded on.
200 isn't a huge number. 4 or 5 are even a smaller number. The elite Heavyweights of the 1970s were just 4 or 5 guys. Ali, Foreman, Norton, and Holmes. Maybe Jimmy Young for 2 years.
When those guys grew up there were more than 10 times the # of boxing gyms. If those guys were born 30 years later they would NOT have been drawn into boxing. Ali may have been a stand up comedian. Norton was an excellent pitcher and the baseball salaries of today would have drawn him towards baseball. Foreman would have been drawn to the NFL. They may not have made it big in those sports but that's a whole other ballgame, pun intended,
This guy is EO 2.0,
There are literally thousands of athletes who choose Football/Basketball/Baseball in their early years and play through college in the hopes of making a draft or merely getting a good quality education. there are also more players who sign up as undrafted free agents. This poster is just looking for attention. Let it go man!
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 16:29
Ppl play other sports everywhere?
True, but boxing seems to have grown in popularity elsewhere from the US. Used to be tons of gyms around and now I can only find around 3 or four in my entire state. No youth programs like PAL or even in schools. It shows up in the American viewing habits. We just aren't interested in boxing like the we were in earlier times.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Mar 2020, 16:29
Ppl play other sports everywhere?
True, but boxing seems to have grown in popularity elsewhere from the US. Used to be tons of gyms around and now I can only find around 3 or four in my entire state. No youth programs like PAL or even in schools. It shows up in the American viewing habits. We just aren't interested in boxing like the we were in earlier times.
Ali got into boxing because a police officer suggested it after a 12 year old Cassius got his bike stolen. That situation is completely impossible in the US today.
True, but boxing seems to have grown in popularity elsewhere from the US. Used to be tons of gyms around and now I can only find around 3 or four in my entire state. No youth programs like PAL or even in schools. It shows up in the American viewing habits. We just aren't interested in boxing like the we were in earlier times.
Ali got into boxing because a police officer suggested it after a 12 year old Cassius got his bike stolen. That situation is completely impossible in the US today.
Ali got into boxing because a police officer suggested it after a 12 year old Cassius got his bike stolen. That situation is completely impossible in the US today.
In the red states UFC or a video game. In the blue states anger management or a lecture against anti materialism.
My Lord...we've blown up the thread! (thank Christ)
You're right. Let's get back on track. Meant against materialism, screwed up on the double negative.
To recap the thread: It's natural to root for fighters you think are more like you. Having said, I have more in common with some blacks than some whites. Not usually the case, but not unusual either. When there was a something like 30 year caucasian drought in the HW division, I think it was understandable to ask what the f*ck is going on? As I've written here, I knew many liberals that were "Go Jerry" or "Go Gerry". But now, after the Klitschkos, the fall of the Iron Curtain, it has become a non issue for the vast majority of fans.
My Lord...we've blown up the thread! (thank Christ)
You're right. Let's get back on track. Meant against materialism, screwed up on the double negative.
To recap the thread: It's natural to root for fighters you think are more like you. Having said, I have more in common with some blacks than some whites. Not usually the case, but not unusual either. When there was a something like 30 year caucasian drought in the HW division, I think it was understandable to ask what the f*ck is going on? As I've written here, I knew many liberals that were "Go Jerry" or "Go Gerry". But now, after the Klitschkos, the fall of the Iron Curtain, it has become a non issue for the vast majority of fans.
No, it has nothing to do with it, honestly. I laid it out a few posts up. The numbers simply do not bare it out. I am not even touching a qualitative aspect of this argument. I am simply saying that the number of Black athletes who are drafted to get an opportunity to become professional NFL or NBA players each year is roughly 200 or so. That is just an opportunity, not a guarantee of becoming professional. Becoming a professional is no guarantee of playing, playing is no guarantee of starting, starting is no guarantee of becoming a star. No talented amateur HW boxer is giving up a shot at the most prestigious title on Earth just to be a second team Defensive End in NFL. This argument makes no sense, particularly when contrasted with arguments that seem to make perfect sense. Nobody has even attempted to "prove" this argument. It's somehow become a mantra that gets repeated but never expanded on.
200 isn't a huge number. 4 or 5 are even a smaller number. The elite Heavyweights of the 1970s were just 4 or 5 guys. Ali, Foreman, Norton, and Holmes. Maybe Jimmy Young for 2 years.
When those guys grew up there were more than 10 times the # of boxing gyms. If those guys were born 30 years later they would NOT have been drawn into boxing. Ali may have been a stand up comedian. Norton was an excellent pitcher and the baseball salaries of today would have drawn him towards baseball. Foreman would have been drawn to the NFL. They may not have made it big in those sports but that's a whole other ballgame, pun intended,
No. What kind of argument is that? I'm giving concrete statistics & basically you're giving me possible parallel future scenarios that are playing out in your mind. And you state your argument with confidence, as if you know the greatest heavyweights of all time would "NOT" have even been in the sport but for the generation they were born in. And finally, you are no longer even arguing the original topic, that NFL & NBA are stealing heavyweight champions from boxing, You have now moved the goalposts to it just being a different time & Blacks have lost interest. Which is an argument I may not disagree with. My only argument is that in the last 20 years, the chance a Black American had talent to become Heavyweight champion of the world but we lost him to NFL or NBA........ is close to 0%..
200 isn't a huge number. 4 or 5 are even a smaller number. The elite Heavyweights of the 1970s were just 4 or 5 guys. Ali, Foreman, Norton, and Holmes. Maybe Jimmy Young for 2 years.
When those guys grew up there were more than 10 times the # of boxing gyms. If those guys were born 30 years later they would NOT have been drawn into boxing. Ali may have been a stand up comedian. Norton was an excellent pitcher and the baseball salaries of today would have drawn him towards baseball. Foreman would have been drawn to the NFL. They may not have made it big in those sports but that's a whole other ballgame, pun intended,
This guy is EO 2.0,
There are literally thousands of athletes who choose Football/Basketball/Baseball in their early years and play through college in the hopes of making a draft or merely getting a good quality education. there are also more players who sign up as undrafted free agents. This poster is just looking for attention. Let it go man!
You keep your mouth quiet woman! Grown men are speaking & nobody wants to hear from an effeminate twit like yourself who throws aspersions because he doesn't have the requisite IQ to defend a real opinion. And then you demand the thread be closed, lol. Why? Because different opinions make you uncomfortable? Where is your shame? Why don't you have the same dignity the rest of us were born with? I don't care how insecure you are, what kind of person thinks he can demand grown men stop talking about a topic because some of the opinions do not fit his/her ideological narrative? Where did you learn that that type of behaviour is acceptable?
This guy is EO 2.0,
There are literally thousands of athletes who choose Football/Basketball/Baseball in their early years and play through college in the hopes of making a draft or merely getting a good quality education. there are also more players who sign up as undrafted free agents. This poster is just looking for attention. Let it go man!
You keep your mouth quiet woman! Grown men are speaking & nobody wants to hear from an effeminate twit like yourself who throws aspersions because he doesn't have the requisite IQ to defend a real opinion. And then you demand the thread be closed, lol. Why? Because different opinions make you uncomfortable? Where is your shame? Why don't you have the same dignity the rest of us were born with? I don't care how insecure you are, what kind of person thinks he can demand grown men stop talking about a topic because some of the opinions do not fit his/her ideological narrative? Where did you learn that that type of behaviour is acceptable?
Grown men are speaking. The grown men are Oogiebe and myself. Anyone who refers to another man of his race as "a brother" is al qaeda like creepy, because that's what they say. There are some people who refer to everyone as their brothers and sisters, regardless of race; they're not creepy, they're just flaky but flaky is far better than creepy. In real life I'd never get near a person like you. You guys scare they hell out of me to be honest.
We are not having a friendly debate. You are a cheerleader for other men. That's pretty weird after 10 years old.
sturm vogel wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 23:22
There is no "human race" . There are human beings of difference races. A race is a gene cluster found in specific areas. No controversy here. No bullshit either.
No controversy???? Are you kidding, mate? There are grown men on this site who will tell you that we choose our own gender & there are more than two to choose from. If you notice a pattern & acknowledge, there are grown ass men on this site that will call you racist. The most controversial thing on Earth is the truth and uncomfortable truths make untruthful men very uncomfortable.
Could care a toss what others write against what I write. Some things are as true as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West. If a man wants to dress up like a woman and call himself a woman he does what he cares to do but that doesn't make him a woman it just means he dresses as one. It also means his mind isn't right.
This guy is EO 2.0,
There are literally thousands of athletes who choose Football/Basketball/Baseball in their early years and play through college in the hopes of making a draft or merely getting a good quality education. there are also more players who sign up as undrafted free agents. This poster is just looking for attention. Let it go man!
You keep your mouth quiet woman! Grown men are speaking & nobody wants to hear from an effeminate twit like yourself who throws aspersions because he doesn't have the requisite IQ to defend a real opinion. And then you demand the thread be closed, lol. Why? Because different opinions make you uncomfortable? Where is your shame? Why don't you have the same dignity the rest of us were born with? I don't care how insecure you are, what kind of person thinks he can demand grown men stop talking about a topic because some of the opinions do not fit his/her ideological narrative? Where did you learn that that type of behaviour is acceptable?
No controversy???? Are you kidding, mate? There are grown men on this site who will tell you that we choose our own gender & there are more than two to choose from. If you notice a pattern & acknowledge, there are grown ass men on this site that will call you racist. The most controversial thing on Earth is the truth and uncomfortable truths make untruthful men very uncomfortable.
Could care a toss what others write against what I write. Some things are as true as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West. If a man wants to dress up like a woman and call himself a woman he does what he cares to do but that doesn't make him a woman it just means he dresses as one. It also means his mind isn't right.
Nothing like the mention of "race" to see who's an out and out snowflake and virtue signaller! Theres been a notable shift in demographics in boxing over the past 20 years, however most whites have hero worship for big black boxers, during the Klitschko reign the huge negativity was apparent, people just couldn't get their heads around a big white champion, then all of a sudden the "other sports" had all the big athletes, boxing in 1995 and prior was basically an american based exclusive sport, all the big promoters and money based there, boxing is much more international now and even after 15 years of excellent white boxers theres still a perception the media perpetrate that "white Hopes" are second rate and a novelty! The ring p4p top 10 has 2 black fighter from the US
prime wrote: ↑07 Mar 2020, 17:15
Nothing like the mention of "race" to see who's an out and out snowflake and virtue signaller! Theres been a notable shift in demographics in boxing over the past 20 years, however most whites have hero worship for big black boxers, during the Klitschko reign the huge negativity was apparent, people just couldn't get their heads around a big white champion, then all of a sudden the "other sports" had all the big athletes, boxing in 1995 and prior was basically an american based exclusive sport, all the big promoters and money based there, boxing is much more international now and even after 15 years of excellent white boxers theres still a perception the media perpetrate that "white Hopes" are second rate and a novelty! The ring p4p top 10 has 2 black fighter from the US
The shift began way back in the early 90's. Once the iron curtain came down, it was a matter of time until the eastern euro fighters became pros and their subsequent generations showed their stuff on the world level. I've not heard the term used (great white hope) since Morrison, maybe, and it was most prevelent when Cooney was around post Ali.
You keep your mouth quiet woman! Grown men are speaking & nobody wants to hear from an effeminate twit like yourself who throws aspersions because he doesn't have the requisite IQ to defend a real opinion. And then you demand the thread be closed, lol. Why? Because different opinions make you uncomfortable? Where is your shame? Why don't you have the same dignity the rest of us were born with? I don't care how insecure you are, what kind of person thinks he can demand grown men stop talking about a topic because some of the opinions do not fit his/her ideological narrative? Where did you learn that that type of behaviour is acceptable?
Grown men are speaking. The grown men are Oogiebe and myself. Anyone who refers to another man of his race as "a brother" is al qaeda like creepy, because that's what they say. There are some people who refer to everyone as their brothers and sisters, regardless of race; they're not creepy, they're just flaky but flaky is far better than creepy. In real life I'd never get near a person like you. You guys scare they hell out of me to be honest.
We are not having a friendly debate. You are a cheerleader for other men. That's pretty weird after 10 years old.
Tony? You are a cuck, a virtue-signaling cuck. You know this just as well as I do, so I don't expect you to be offended by me saying so. You have done everything you can to renounce the fact that you have any affinity for your heritage or race, that you are a globalist man of the world. Well the only segment of people who do this are left leaning White westerners. No other people would reject their own in favor of out groups. Basically, you are an unnatural aberration. You are not normal. And I happen to know exactly why. Your DNA has undergone spiteful mutations & you now have degenerate genes. Look it up. You will recognize yourself immediately. I'm not trying to offend you & I honestly hope you are not offended. I believe you will agree with everything I say here & I hope you are grateful for the information on spiteful mutations & I hope you get an opportunity to look into it. If you are offended & not interested, I will delete this post immediately.
Not even close regarding who I like better.
In the red states UFC or a video game. In the blue states anger management or a lecture against anti materialism.