Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ

[adislav123]

mayweather lost the 1st fights vs. castillo & maidana, got gift decisions to keep his zero & the money machine running, the rematches were made for a reason.

he also quite clearly got chased around & beaten by pacman.

all fights there to see.

[gilgamesh]

mayweather lost the 1st fights vs. castillo & maidana, got gift decisions to keep his zero & the money machine running, the rematches were made for a reason.

he also quite clearly got chased around & beaten by pacman.

all fights there to see.

I thought he lost to Castillo clear. I thought he narrowly edged Maidana, but not so much so that I thought it was a robbery. I thought he beat Pac handily enough.

One interesting thing that gets overlooked about his 2 fights with Castillo to me is that Castillo was STILL handful for him in the rematch.

The Boxing media, and HBO and everybody at the time acted as if he beat Castillo easy as he beat Maidana in the rematch. He didn't.

Castillo was a big problem for him. Floyd didn't win the rematch as clearly as JLC had won the 1st fight in my opinion.

[margaret thatcher]

mayweather lost the 1st fights vs. castillo & maidana, got gift decisions to keep his zero & the money machine running, the rematches were made for a reason.

he also quite clearly got chased around & beaten by pacman.

all fights there to see.

I thought he lost to Castillo clear. I thought he narrowly edged Maidana, but not so much so that I thought it was a robbery. I thought he beat Pac handily enough.

One interesting thing that gets overlooked about his 2 fights with Castillo to me is that Castillo was STILL handful for him in the rematch.

The Boxing media, and HBO and everybody at the time acted as if he beat Castillo easy as he beat Maidana in the rematch. He didn't.

Castillo was a big problem for him. Floyd didn't win the rematch as clearly as JLC had won the 1st fight in my opinion.

HBO had it close but clear in the Castillo rematch, Lederman and Merch both had it 7-5, the Associated Press had it 8-4

Anyone who saw it knows Floyd won clear but still had one of his most competitive fights, of course on this thread we obviously have some people who haven't seen the fights and talk nonsense like Canelo did any better

[gilgamesh]

This is "hate Canelo" topic

Other than guys that got knocked out in one sided ass kickings, very few top level guys did as bad against Floyd as Canelo did.

Canelo didn't win a single round.

Maidana did better (both times)
Castillo did better (both times)
Zab Judah did better
Mosley did better
Demarcus Corley did better
Pacquiao did better
Cotto did better
De La Hoya did better
Emanuel Augustus did better

That's about it I'd say. Everyone else got shut down about as thoroughly as Canelo did more or less. I'm probably forgetting a few guys that gave him a hard time.

[gilgamesh]

Nelo got tooled, there are lots. Those 116-112 cards were very very generous as well.

Castillo x2
Maidana
Judah
Corley
Cotto
McGregor
Oscar
Mosley
Pac

fornicate yeah I forgot about that. Even McGregor did better

In all fairness though Floyd only seemed to be giving a half ass effort that night. Like he wanted it to look competitive, and get a rematch out of it if he could.

[Nightmare Roy]

Nelo got tooled, there are lots. Those 116-112 cards were very very generous as well.

Castillo x2
Maidana
Judah
Corley
Cotto
McGregor
Oscar
Mosley
Pac

There are still people who say he never fought anyone, just look at that list (minus the ufc guy)

[Blodhemn]

I thought he lost to Castillo clear. I thought he narrowly edged Maidana, but not so much so that I thought it was a robbery. I thought he beat Pac handily enough.

One interesting thing that gets overlooked about his 2 fights with Castillo to me is that Castillo was STILL handful for him in the rematch.

The Boxing media, and HBO and everybody at the time acted as if he beat Castillo easy as he beat Maidana in the rematch. He didn't.

Castillo was a big problem for him. Floyd didn't win the rematch as clearly as JLC had won the 1st fight in my opinion.

Yeah. Remach with Castillo was a lame sparring session where neither could do much with each other. Floyd got the W by landing that right in the 5th or so that busted Castillo's nose that time. Only meaningful punch of the fight. Shit "fight".

[gilgamesh]

I thought he lost to Castillo clear. I thought he narrowly edged Maidana, but not so much so that I thought it was a robbery. I thought he beat Pac handily enough.

One interesting thing that gets overlooked about his 2 fights with Castillo to me is that Castillo was STILL handful for him in the rematch.

The Boxing media, and HBO and everybody at the time acted as if he beat Castillo easy as he beat Maidana in the rematch. He didn't.

Castillo was a big problem for him. Floyd didn't win the rematch as clearly as JLC had won the 1st fight in my opinion.

Yeah. Remach with Castillo was a lame sparring session where neither could do much with each other. Floyd got the W by landing that right in the 5th or so that busted Castillo's nose that time. Only meaningful punch of the fight. poo "fight".

Wasn't nearly as good as the first fight, but it's still reasonably good. Just lacks the drama of the 1st one.

[adislav123]

boxing media, hbo and everybody at that time acted as if he beat pacman quite handiily, he didn't beat him at all.

in none of tge criterias that one judges a boxing contest did he win that fight.

not even judged solely on defence as there are other ways to defend yourself in a booxing match as acting like a stabed eel on his bycicle.

if that, which in mayweather's era was, is the sole criteria to destine the winner of a fight, then he won it.

[gilgamesh]

boxing media, hbo and everybody at that time acted as if he beat pacman quite handiily, he didn't beat him at all.

in none of tge criterias that one judges a boxing contest did he win that fight.

not even judged solely on defence as there are other ways to defend yourself in a booxing match as acting like a stabed eel on his bycicle.

if that, which in mayweather's era was, is the sole criteria to destine the winner of a fight, then he won it.

[Onetimeonly]

Castillo was a great, and criminally underrated fighter. Any of the hardcore Floyd haters, no matter who you think won, cling to him avoiding challenges but never mention that the two remotely close fights he ever had he immediately rematched them both.

[gilgamesh]

Castillo was a great, and criminally underrated fighter. Any of the hardcore Floyd haters, no matter who you think won, cling to him avoiding challenges but never mention that the two remotely close fights he ever had he immediately rematched them both.

And to his credit won the rematches controversy free.

He is a great fighter. Not the greatest of all time, but a great fighter most definitely. Best of this century so far, and we'll die before we see the end of it. Will be interesting to see if his record gets surpassed in the next few decades.

[NateJR]

Corley needs high praise in this conversation. Corley was the first fighter to noticably buzz Floyd and did so on numerous occasions. A young Floyd out trying to prove he was the p4p king, getting into a firefight with a hungry durable southpaw like Corley, was actually a very entertaining fight for Mayweather's standards. Not to mention it was Floyds first fight at 140. IMO Corley has to be one of Floyds toughest fights, he was the first guy we really seen make Floyd dig deep in those early rounds and proved that Floyd wasn't just a pretty boy, but he was a tough sob as well. Floyds class eventually came to surface mod fight and he took over, but never really resorted to fighting off the back foot, he stood toe to toe for the entire fight.

[Blodhemn]

Castillo was a great, and criminally underrated fighter. Any of the hardcore Floyd haters, no matter who you think won, cling to him avoiding challenges but never mention that the two remotely close fights he ever had he immediately rematched them both.

Dunno if I'd say great. Castillo was a massive, massive weight cutter. Maybe the largest bone structure at lightweight in history. That shit just irks me. Wonder how well he would've done without the size advantage every time. Probably not that great. Solid skillset for sure though. Think he'd run into power he couldn't handle if he fought at 140. But yeah, total credit to Floyd for immediate rematches.(Crying about gloves was total primadonna shit though).

[boxing_rocks]

Nelo got tooled, there are lots. Those 116-112 cards were very very generous as well.

Castillo x2
Maidana
Judah
Corley
Cotto
McGregor
Oscar
Mosley
Pac

fornicate yeah I forgot about that. Even McGregor did better

In all fairness though Floyd only seemed to be giving a half ass effort that night. Like he wanted it to look competitive, and get a rematch out of it if he could.

McGregor was stopped by a significantly older version of Mayweather. Definitely didn't do better than Canelo.

[margaret thatcher]

He easily did better than Canelo, Canelo was useless

It doesn't have to sting my boxing bruhs, it's okay

[boxing_rocks]

He easily did better than Canelo, Canelo was useless

It doesn't have to sting my boxing bruhs, it's okay

McTremor was worse than useless.

[margaret thatcher]

Lol it stings you as a boxing fan doesn't it. He defo won some of those early rounds and outlanded Floyd, Canelo just did nothing, totally owned. Not like McG showed he's some elite boxer or anything, I mean Canelo would obviously batter him, but he did better for sure vs Floyd than Nelo did

[gilgamesh]

fornicate yeah I forgot about that. Even McGregor did better

In all fairness though Floyd only seemed to be giving a half ass effort that night. Like he wanted it to look competitive, and get a rematch out of it if he could.

McGregor was stopped by a significantly older version of Mayweather. Definitely didn't do better than Canelo.

He won rounds. Canelo didn't.

[boxing_rocks]

Floyd ALLOWED McGregor to win a couple rounds. He couldn't afford to do that against Canelo, because 2 of the judges gave Canelo 3-4 rounds anyway and one gave 6. If Canelo really won 3 rounds, that fight would be a draw.

Also, I think the 2013 version of Canelo would in fact win a few rounds against 2017 version of Mayweather.

[ewenhay]

Some top trolling in this thread.

McGregor did indeed land a handful of punches against a 40s, semi retired Mayweather who had absolutely zero respect for his opponent so fought less cautiously than normal.

Whereas a young Alvarez landed a handful of punches against a closer to prime Mayweather.

Both were exceptionally poor against Mayweather. A razor breadth of a difference.

[Blodhemn]

Castillo was a great, and criminally underrated fighter. Any of the hardcore Floyd haters, no matter who you think won, cling to him avoiding challenges but never mention that the two remotely close fights he ever had he immediately rematched them both.

Dunno if I'd say great. Castillo was a massive, massive weight cutter. Maybe the largest bone structure at lightweight in history. That poo just irks me. Wonder how well he would've done without the size advantage every time. Probably not that great. Solid skillset for sure though. Think he'd run into power he couldn't handle if he fought at 140. But yeah, total credit to Floyd for immediate rematches.(Crying about gloves was total primadonna poo though).

Garcia and Broner were damn big lightweights too. Castillo had that old school discipline those two lack. Floyd was no small fry either, but different dimensions. And yeah, I know I'm talking to myself.

[Onetimeonly]

Floyd ALLOWED McGregor to win a couple rounds. He couldn't afford to do that against Canelo, because 2 of the judges gave Canelo 3-4 rounds anyway and one gave 6. If Canelo really won 3 rounds, that fight would be a draw.

Also, I think the 2013 version of Canelo would in fact win a few rounds against 2017 version of Mayweather.

Whether Floyd allowed it or not is not relevant. Conor was more competitive than Alvarez. Why didn't he let canelo or anyone else snap his head back. He knew McGregor couldn't beat him but conor surprised him with his ability, and everyone else without an agenda. Canelo would smash McGregor, but he can never Say he was more competitive with Floyd. Not that Saul would ever bring it up.

[DrDuke]

Floyd ALLOWED McGregor to win a couple rounds. He couldn't afford to do that against Canelo, because 2 of the judges gave Canelo 3-4 rounds anyway and one gave 6. If Canelo really won 3 rounds, that fight would be a draw.

Also, I think the 2013 version of Canelo would in fact win a few rounds against 2017 version of Mayweather.

Whether Floyd allowed it or not is not relevant. Conor was more competitive than Alvarez. Why didn't he let canelo or anyone else snap his head back. He knew McGregor couldn't beat him but conor surprised him with his ability, and everyone else without an agenda. Canelo would smash McGregor, but he can never Say he was more competitive with Floyd. Not that Saul would ever bring it up.

Maybe he allowed McGregor to work and didn't do that in the case with Canelo, because McGregor was known to punch himself out early? Being outsmarted like that and battered after it is so competetive.

[margaret thatcher]

McG obviously did better , clearly this is some butthurt because he's an MMA fighter, it's okay bruhs, no need to feel insecure, we all know Canelo is a better boxer than McG and all that