oogiebe wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 20:47
Yup. And if they fought topless, I would watch.
Looking at some of them, I would prefer them to cover more.
x2. They're half male with all the juice they're on. Testing, even "Olympic style", is a joke till all these square jawed ladies are busted. And things have only started to get more away from purity of sports. Trans males competing as women, etc. Everybody should be juiced at this point. Fvck it. And yeah, most men are juiced or have in the past, so I'm not being unfair, it's just more obvious when females are on something and is proof that all testing is a joke.
In all seriousness it's totally illogical though isn't it? I mean you might as well campaign for the removal of weight-designations, "Oh it's demeaning to refer to me as the lightweight champion of the world as if my achievements are somehow inferior to the heavyweight champion of the world. Why can't they just call us champions of the world?"
If you're going to dispense with 'women's' and simply describe yourself as the lightweight champion of the world, then you should be prepared to fight anyone of either gender (perhaps I ought to say 'any' gender FFS) who has earned the right to challenge and meets the weight limit.
Surely if I'm a man who is into netball and I play it competitively, but only against other men of which there are only several hundred worldwide, never against women of whom there are many thousands of players, would it not be absurd for my team to call ourselves world champions? Would we really object to being called the 'Men's World Netball Champions?'
ldlamb wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 21:09
The women’s belt needs to be called the women’s champion because, while great athletes, they are only the champion of other women....the men’s middleweight, welterweight, or light weight champion is the champion of every living soul at 160, 147, or 135, so no need for any extra definer.
That makes total sense but dont waste your time trying to convince any gender-bending lunatic of that, because gender-benders are not rational people, they are confused & deranged.
Actually, it doesn't. As long as men haven't fought women (God forbid because that would make other men abuse their wifes etc, like in the 10's when White people turned violent towards Blacks when Jack Johnson won) then they are only men's champions. The assumption that men are everyone's champion is based on an idea that we are superior than women. Stronger, probably, but not superior. All people should be seen as equals.
The only fight I know between a man and a woman in pro boxing was won by a woman by second round knockout.
Now I have really tried to treat this as a serious thread and give genuine consideration to the issue.
And in deference to the Marquis of Queensbury rules I have tried really hard to keep my attention from straying below the beltline ... Ferkit I'm wasting my time aren't I, why fight it?
candyslim wrote: ↑14 Mar 2020, 18:49
Now I have really tried to treat this as a serious thread and give genuine consideration to the issue.
And in deference to the Marquis of Queensbury rules I have tried really hard to keep my attention from straying below the beltline ... Ferkit I'm wasting my time aren't I, why fight it?
Best Coast wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 02:00
That makes total sense but dont waste your time trying to convince any gender-bending lunatic of that, because gender-benders are not rational people, they are confused & deranged.
Actually, it doesn't. As long as men haven't fought women (God forbid because that would make other men abuse their wifes etc, like in the 10's when White people turned violent towards Blacks when Jack Johnson won) then they are only men's champions. The assumption that men are everyone's champion is based on an idea that we are superior than women. Stronger, probably, but not superior. All people should be seen as equals.
The only fight I know between a man and a woman in pro boxing was won by a woman by second round knockout.
I imagine I'm a lot older than you Antonio so I'm sure it's mere coincidence that I also only know of one and that also was a second round stoppage IIRC. The fight I recall was back in the seventies between a woman boxer called Jackie Tonawanda who knocked out a Karate exponent from Texas whose name I believe was Clint Higgins. That's from memory - no internet back then of course
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 13:58
If the word “female” is allegedly synonymous with gender inequality and abuse, then does this mean that only allowing bouts exclusively involving “cisgender women” is a form of sexual discrimination?
If gender no longer exists in the sport of boxing, then does this mean that it is socially and morally acceptable to allow a biologically assigned female at birth, such as Claressa Shields, fight Canelo at 160lbs?
Does anyone know any “cisgender women” (that are active participants in the sport of boxing) passionately clamouring for this change of terminology?
I think it's more the label. You don't see Canelo as the Men's Middleweight Champion, he's just called the Middleweight Champion. This in no way devalues the men's belt, it only stops devalue the female belt. It would've been equally as fair to add 'Men's' to the beginning of the men's titles also but this is the route they went down.
No it would not be. The female champion is not champion of all women & men in a specific weight class. She is only the best woman, hence she is the female champion. The male champion is the champion of all men & women, hence he is simply the champion of his chosen weight class. If you want to change the nomenclature to human champion & female champion, I would be okay with that but I am not okay will agreeing to a lie for the sake of political correctness
Best Coast wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 02:00
That makes total sense but dont waste your time trying to convince any gender-bending lunatic of that, because gender-benders are not rational people, they are confused & deranged.
Actually, it doesn't. As long as men haven't fought women (God forbid because that would make other men abuse their wifes etc, like in the 10's when White people turned violent towards Blacks when Jack Johnson won) then they are only men's champions. The assumption that men are everyone's champion is based on an idea that we are superior than women. Stronger, probably, but not superior. All people should be seen as equals.
The only fight I know between a man and a woman in pro boxing was won by a woman by second round knockout.
The greatest female boxer to ever walk the planet was Lucia Rijker. Lucia was also the greatest female kick boxer to ever walk the planet This opinion is close to unanimous by anyone who knows anything about combat sports. She has no male peer in this regards. Combined record of 54-0, 39 KOs, (one draw in her 2nd pro fight) Many people thought she could compete for a title in men's boxing & kick boxing, including Oscar De La Hoya. So they put her in an exhibition against a no name male fighter, it was to be her first of many. She was absolutely throttled. It was beyond disturbing & will probably never happen again because of this incident.
You are very naive if you think women can compete with men in boxing
That's one hell of an intro though. A Muay Thai fighter with one defeat who, given his obviously Thai name, may have competed in Thailand. Why would you not pick an opponent with a losing record for her baptism into the male arena just to see how she gets on?.
Those Muay Thai fighters are fearsome. Anybody remember Chaengsak Muangsurin (spelling). He won the WBC Light-Welterweight title in only his third pro boxing fight, beating Perico Fernandez IIRC. Not a good choice for Rijker. Almost like setting her up for failure.
Actually, it doesn't. As long as men haven't fought women (God forbid because that would make other men abuse their wifes etc, like in the 10's when White people turned violent towards Blacks when Jack Johnson won) then they are only men's champions. The assumption that men are everyone's champion is based on an idea that we are superior than women. Stronger, probably, but not superior. All people should be seen as equals.
The only fight I know between a man and a woman in pro boxing was won by a woman by second round knockout.
The greatest female boxer to ever walk the planet was Lucia Rijker. Lucia was also the greatest female kick boxer to ever walk the planet This opinion is close to unanimous by anyone who knows anything about combat sports. She has no male peer in this regards. Combined record of 54-0, 39 KOs, (one draw in her 2nd pro fight) Many people thought she could compete for a title in men's boxing & kick boxing, including Oscar De La Hoya. So they put her in an exhibition against a no name male fighter, it was to be her first of many. She was absolutely throttled. It was beyond disturbing & will probably never happen again because of this incident.
You are very naive if you think women can compete with men in boxing
I never said they could. What i said is that the only time I know of an official boxing bout between a man and a woman, the woman won (True the man was something like 0-14 but still)
Tennis, which I admit is a wholly different sport, has a men's championship and everyone is ok with it...why cant mens boxing be called what it actually is, men's boxing? Or why cant we just not care about this change??
As part of their official announcement (published today) on the status of Alejandra Jimenez testing positive for steroids/testosterone, the WBC used the following language as part of their statement, when referring to one of their titles:
