I thought Fury's win against Hammer was ruled NC

[thunderking500]

a no contest

yet on boxrec and wiki its still ruled a win, i thought it was overturned because of Fury's 2 year ban?

[SportsRatings]

I never heard that. Was that stated clearly in a news story or just speculated that it "should" be done?

I see a lot of the latter but it's rare that the actual hammer falls (ha)

[Stuarty]

Well you thought wrong

[Enlightened-One]

I thought Fury's win against Hammer was ruled NC

yet on boxrec and wiki its still ruled a win, i thought it was overturned because of Fury's 2 year ban?

You're right it was, but it might have been overturned, based on whom was supervising the contest (as per the Price-Teper bout, which was initially ruled a no-contest by the BDB, but the EBU maintained their rules take precedence and should be applied, therefore keeping the result of the bout).

Here's the UKAD statement.

Initially the fight was a TKO victory for Fury in eight. Fury was charged with testing positive for a banned substance in early 2015.

Fury reached an agreement with UKAD for a back-dated ban of two years and for his win over Hammer to be scratched out.

The UKAD wording of the order reads: "All titles, prize money and ranking points that [Fury] secured as a result of his victory in that fight are forfeited."

So it’s feasible that the UKAD ruling may not have been applied if it didn’t have sufficient jurisdiction to amend the official outcome of the bout.

To be honest, I don't really know why BoxRec doesn't deem this bout as being a "no contest", but perhaps the WBO's or the BBBofC's ruling takes precedence over UKAD.

Who knows?

[joshj909]

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L. Same should apply to whatever fights Hughie had in that period, as well as Teper's win over Price which was previously mentioned in the thread.

But as we know, money talks.

[Datsue]

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L. Same should apply to whatever fights Hughie had in that period, as well as Teper's win over Price which was previously mentioned in the thread.

But as we know, money talks.

^ Yup. I read somewhere (can't find it now) that he kept the W as part of the "I won't bankrupt you via a long court-case" strategy Fury's lawyers employed after he was busted for 'roids, but for the life of me I can't find it now.

[Lennox]

It was a NC for a fair time, but it got switched back officially to a win.

[Enlightened-One]

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L.

But as we know, money talks.

^ Yup. I read somewhere (can't find it now) that he kept the W as part of the "I won't bankrupt you via a long court-case" strategy Fury's lawyers employed after he was busted for 'roids, but for the life of me I can't find it now.

I’m sorry, but when has the outcome of any fight (during the entire history of the sport of boxing) been reversed (from a victory to a loss) due to a failed drug test?

It simply hasn’t happened… ever!

Perhaps the Fury-Hammer bout should have been deemed a “no contest”, but it is absurd to claim that Tyson should have been unfairly penalised with a loss!

Also, stop with all this conspiracy theory bṹllṡhḯṫ! You can’t find evidence of Tyson Fury’s lawyers blackmailing UKAD, because it simply NEVER HAPPENED… ever!

That’s the reason why you can’t find any proof of this happening, because you dreamt it all up!

Come on guys, don't be silly now!

[joshj909]

I’m sorry, but when has the outcome of any fight (during the entire history of the sport of boxing) been reversed (from a victory to a loss) due to a failed drug test?

It simply hasn’t happened… ever!

Perhaps the Fury-Hammer bout should have been deemed a “no contest”, but it is absurd to claim that Tyson should have been unfairly penalised with a loss!

Also, stop with all this conspiracy theory bṹllṡhḯṫ! You can’t find evidence of Tyson Fury’s lawyers blackmailing UKAD, because it simply NEVER HAPPENED… ever!

That’s the reason why you can’t find any proof of this happening, because you dreamt it all up!

Come on guys, don't be silly now!

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L. Same should apply to whatever fights Hughie had in that period, as well as Teper's win over Price which was previously mentioned in the thread.

But as we know, money talks.

[Enlightened-One]

I’m sorry, but when has the outcome of any fight (during the entire history of the sport of boxing) been reversed (from a victory to a loss) due to a failed drug test?

It simply hasn’t happened… ever!

Perhaps the Fury-Hammer bout should have been deemed a “no contest”, but it is absurd to claim that Tyson should have been unfairly penalised with a loss!

Also, stop with all this conspiracy theory bṹllṡhḯṫ! You can’t find evidence of Tyson Fury’s lawyers blackmailing UKAD, because it simply NEVER HAPPENED… ever!

That’s the reason why you can’t find any proof of this happening, because you dreamt it all up!

Come on guys, don't be silly now!

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L. Same should apply to whatever fights Hughie had in that period, as well as Teper's win over Price which was previously mentioned in the thread.

But as we know, money talks.

I don’t know why you’ve quoted my response to your post, since both our comments have already been posted to this forum.

[thunderking500]

dont feel like i ever got a definite answer on this still?

[Enlightened-One]

dont feel like i ever got a definite answer on this still?

If you read my first post in this thread, I answered your question, because UKAD did indeed declare the bout as beig a no contest.

However, the result remained unchanged, perhaps because the WBO's or the BBBofC's ruling took precedence over UKAD (as per the Price-Teper bout, where the EBU overruled the BDB).

I can't find any official confirmation of this though, but my theory is based on what occurred to other fighters in similar situations.

[140456]

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L.

But as we know, money talks.

^ Yup. I read somewhere (can't find it now) that he kept the W as part of the "I won't bankrupt you via a long court-case" strategy Fury's lawyers employed after he was busted for 'roids, but for the life of me I can't find it now.

I’m sorry, but when has the outcome of any fight (during the entire history of the sport of boxing) been reversed (from a victory to a loss) due to a failed drug test?

It simply hasn’t happened… ever!

Perhaps the Fury-Hammer bout should have been deemed a “no contest”, but it is absurd to claim that Tyson should have been unfairly penalised with a loss!

Also, stop with all this conspiracy theory bṹllṡhḯṫ! You can’t find evidence of Tyson Fury’s lawyers blackmailing UKAD, because it simply NEVER HAPPENED… ever!

That’s the reason why you can’t find any proof of this happening, because you dreamt it all up!

Come on guys, don't be silly now!

The decision being "reversed" was not mentioned. The decision was indeed ruled a no-contest due to the doping violation, although this was not upheld by the BBBofC.
This has actually happened many times before:
Chris Arreola, Guillermo Jones, Raymundo Beltran, Francois Botha, Orlando Salido, Joan Guzman, Anonio Tarver, Shannon Briggs (to name but a few) have all had victories subsequently ruled No Decisions after failing post-fight drug tests

[140456]

Also, it's important to state that the decision to give Fury a backdated 2 year ban is not a conspiracy theory. The thing with legal decisions is they leave a paper trail - of which there are many

If you look up the UKAD decision, they state that due to "risks inherent [emphasis added] in the dispute resolution process, each side has accepted a compromise of its position". They also state "UKAD's position is that the anti-doping rule violations it has asserted have been committed and the consequences set out in the UK Anti-Doping Rules should apply". A doping ban carries a 4 year sanction, unless the athlete can prove beyond doubt that they exercised due diligence. This never happened - UKAD were just wary of the "risks inherent" from the subsequent legal action. Tyson's guys were suing for lost earnings. As the World Heavyweight Boxing Champion is theoretically one of the best paid athletes in the world, they had to back down.
It seems the BBBofC ended up blocking changing the decision to NC... also after legal pressure. They've now changed their regulations so this is less likely to happen in future, but this "was decided, after legal advice", according to Robert Smith!

Finally... Tyson Fury would not be allowed to compete in any other sport.
Nandrolone 2015 - Minimum 4 year ban
Cocaine 2016 - 4 year ban, would likely be increased due to previous offence
Missed test 2016 - Third offence. Likely to be a lifetime ban in a well regulated sport

[Boxing Prospect]

If Boxing as a sport had any morals and was a legitimate sport it should be atleast an NC, some would argue an L.

But as we know, money talks.

^ Yup. I read somewhere (can't find it now) that he kept the W as part of the "I won't bankrupt you via a long court-case" strategy Fury's lawyers employed after he was busted for 'roids, but for the life of me I can't find it now.

I’m sorry, but when has the outcome of any fight (during the entire history of the sport of boxing) been reversed (from a victory to a loss) due to a failed drug test?

It simply hasn’t happened… ever!

Perhaps the Fury-Hammer bout should have been deemed a “no contest”, but it is absurd to claim that Tyson should have been unfairly penalised with a loss!

We regularly see them become no contests, Ogawa vs Farmer being a relatively recent example, but as with you I can't think of one that went from a win to a loss.

However the UK is a rule unto it's self, as we saw with Larry Olubamiwo, Dillian Whyte, and others where the results simply weren't over turned, as it's the UK and BBBofC like to back their own... (seriously how is Whyte's win over Balogh still on his record? Olubamiwo was supposed to have his entire record scrubbed... Suspect there's other cases too)

There was a case of a fighter winning a title following a DRAW, as the champion heading in tested positive for something (but that while fight stinks anyway) [
https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Erbi ... o_Gonzalez]. The result was never over turned it seems, just the title body played some weird games to get the title off Salavarria meaning, as far as I'm aware, we had a title won on a draw against a defending champion for the only time

[margaret thatcher]

i remember bute having a draw turned into a loss vs jack, i wonder if they still wouldve turned it to a loss if bute had won?