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[scartissue]

Counter, here's one I think you'll enjoy. The 1977 John Stracey v Dave Boy Green fight. Man, there wasn't a moment to breathe. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: Green
Round 2: Green
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Green
Round 5: Green
Round 6: Green
Round 7: Green
Round 8: Green
Round 9: Stracey
Round 10: Harry Gibb stops the bout in Green's favor

Total (through 9 completed rounds): 89 1/2 - 86 1/2 for Green (if I am understanding Britain's 10 - 9 1/2 scoring correctly)

Green was all over Stracey from the opening bell, slathering him in body shots, the 'muckspreader' and a careless noggin. It looked like Stracey was making a remarkable comeback from a winded Green in the 9th, but Green got his second win in the 10th and Gibb quite rightly pulled out a distressed Stracey. It seemed like the arena was electric that night. I'll bet that was fun to be a Green fan that night.

[Counter-puncher]

i don't imagine Green being in any bad fights- the Palomino fight was utterly brutal

[scartissue]

I wanted to watch a fight today that I thought would be competitive, so I tuned in to the Juan Roldan v James Kinchen bout. Well, it wasn't. This bout was fought on the undercard of the Hagler v Leonard bout and although I obviously read about it back then, I obviously forgot the dominance of Roldan in this bout. No point in tabulating my scorecard here, cuz I gave every round to Roldan before Eddie Futch retired Kinchen midway through the 9th. Roldan just came at him with that usual and customary strong-as-an-ox Argentine clubbing style and Kinchen could do nothing with it. Hard to believe a year later Kinchen would be losing a highly disputed decision to Tommy Hearns. Now that's a tough, tight fight if anyone would like to score that one.

[Seamus]

I Did

Thomas Hearns vs James Kinchen

R1.10-9 TH
R2.10-9 TH
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-7 JK (Hearns down from a right-left combo to the end and also loses a pt for excessive holding)
R5.10-9 TH
R6.10-9 JK
R7.10-9 JK
R8.10-9 JK
R9.10-9 JK
R10.10-9 TH
R11.10-9 TH
R12.10-10 Even

James Kinchen 115-113

Hearns was very busy with his hands throughout the fight, but Kinchen took his shots well and pressed the attack better. A pretty good fight well worth watching.

[scartissue]

I Did

Thomas Hearns vs James Kinchen

R1.10-9 TH
R2.10-9 TH
R3.10-10 Even
R4.10-7 JK (Hearns down from a right-left combo to the end and also loses a pt for excessive holding)
R5.10-9 TH
R6.10-9 JK
R7.10-9 JK
R8.10-9 JK
R9.10-9 JK
R10.10-9 TH
R11.10-9 TH
R12.10-10 Even

James Kinchen 115-113

Hearns was very busy with his hands throughout the fight, but Kinchen took his shots well and pressed the attack better. A pretty good fight well worth watching.

Good man that you are, Seamus. I had that one a 114-114 Draw. I agree, it was worth watching.

[scartissue]

Scored the first Holmes-Weaver fight the other day. For a fight that I remember well, I actually never saw it in its entirety. I remember at the time ABC was televising Holmes' defenses against the crap opposition of Alfredo Evangelista and Ossie Ocasio, but wanted nothing to do with Holmes - Weaver purely because of Weaver's record, which was so misleading. In actuality he was a late bloomer who was now taking his career seriously and I had been really following him at this time. I predicted a good challenge and it came to pass. Those networks just couldn't get past Weaver's poor record and I couldn't watch it at the time because of their refusal to televise it. But now, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-9 Holmes
Round 3: 10-9 Holmes
Round 4: 10-9 Weaver
Round 5: 10-9 Weaver
Round 6: 10-9 Weaver
Round 7: 10-9 Holmes
Round 8: 10-9 Holmes
Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
Round 10: 10-9 Weaver
Round 11: 10-8 Holmes (scores a knockdown)
Round 12: Holmes scores a TKO

Total (through 11 completed rounds) : 106-102 Holmes

Actual scores: 107-101, 106-103 and 106-102 all for Holmes, in a fight where Holmes had to dig deep.

[Ambling Alp II]

This fight was supposed to be an easy title defense. Weaver had so little respect that the three major networks passed on the fight, which was rare at the time. Much more competitive than expected. From then on, Weaver seemed like a better fighter.

[Seamus]

Larry Holmes vs Mike Weaver

R1.10-9 LH
R2.10-9 LH
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 MW
R5.10-9 MW
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 LH
R8.10-9 LH
R9.10-9 LH
R10.10-9 MW
R11.10-8 LH (Weaver down and hurt bad at the end of the rd from a right uppercut in a round he was winning)
R12. Holmes stops a defenseless Weaver.

Larry Holmes TKO 12

I'd be a bigger fan of the HW's if there were more bouts like this. Holmes jabbed and fired combinations with bad intentions early, but Weaver soaked it up and picked his shot well and worked Holmes body effectively. It was starting to look like anyone's fight when Larry landed that devastating uppercut.

[scartissue]

While perusing youtube I saw that the Nino Valdes v Bob Satterfield fight was uploaded intact and thought this would be a great slugfest. Well, I was wrong. A lot of mauling here but here is how I had it. 10 point must scoring in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 2: 10-9 Valdes
Round 3: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 6: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 7: 10-9 Valdes
Round 8: 10-9 Valdes (very close to me calling this one even)
Round 9: 10-9 Satterfield
Round 10: 10-8 Satterfield (scores a knockdown)

Total: 97-93 Satterfield

Actual scores were 97-88, 97-93 and 98-92. I don't know about that first score but the next 2 scores seemed more in line with what took place. And believe me, it wasn't scintillating stuff. Nino, for all his physical advantages, doesn't fight big. He doesn't use his height or reach to advantage and despite what may have been written, he is not a big puncher. More of a sharp puncher than anything else. And that lack of big punch and the fact that Nino negated all his physical advantages over the smaller Satterfield, played right into Bob's hands. Again, more of a mauling fight that would erupt here and there when Bob attacked.

[John]

John scores:

N Hamed

v

P Buckley

1	2	3	4	5	6	Total
10 9	10 9	10 9	10 9	10 9	10 9	60 54

[scartissue]

Scored another tough one. The Jose Torres v Eddie Cotton light heavyweight championship contest over 15 rounds. Good quality video, but man, it's like there were so many close rounds on what one is looking for. Here we go, Nevada's 5 point scoring system.

Round 1: 5-4 Torres
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Torres
Round 4: 5-4 Torres
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-4 Cotton
Round 7: 5-4 Cotton
Round 8: 5-4 Torres
Round 9: 5-4 Torres
Round 10: 5-4 Cotton
Round 11: 5-4 Torres
Round 12: 5-5 Even
Round 13: 5-4 Cotton
Round 14: 5-5 Even
Round 15: 5-4 Torres

Total: 71-68 Torres

Actual scores: 70-67, 68-67 and 69-67 all for Torres

Cotton had a right to feel like he was jobbed - as he was 40 and had been in the game close to 20 years - but in reality, although a really good effort, I just think he needed to fight with more fire. Whether it wasn't in the tank or it simply wasn't his style, he just came up a bit shy on my score. But having said that, I did have 4 even rounds, which will tell you how close this fight was. I suppose I was more impressed with Torres' punching power in this case rather than the sort of soft-jabbing of Cotton. But Cotton was a canny sort and was good inside, so one has to weigh everything.

[oogiebe]

Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer.

Tough fight as each fighter worked hard every round.

While rounds were close I had it 6-3-1 for Lewis giving the first three rounds to Mercer and having the ninth round even.

[Duran1970]

Ha great minds think alike..I watched that fight last night... I had it 5-5 but no complaints on a close Lewis win

[oogiebe]

Ha great minds think alike..I watched that fight last night... I had it 5-5 but no complaints on a close Lewis win

It was arguably Lewis' toughest fight (outside 2 lucky punches). Had to see it again!

[margaret thatcher]

I watched it a couple years ago after hearing a lot of debate about the scoring, personally I didn't see Lewis struggle nearly as much as a lot of people did. He got pushed for sure but was a clear winner, I think the Holyfield rematch is more debatable

[oogiebe]

I watched it a couple years ago after hearing a lot of debate about the scoring, personally I didn't see Lewis struggle nearly as much as a lot of people did. He got pushed for sure but was a clear winner, I think the Holyfield rematch is more debatable

I thought Lewis won the first fight with Holy way more clearly than the rematch. Regarding Mercer, I thought it was closer when I watched it the first time, but I agree it was a clear Lewis win.

[scartissue]

I had Lewis v Mercer 97-95 for Lewis, or 5-3-2 in rounds. Good close fight.

[oogiebe]

I had Lewis v Mercer 97-95 for Lewis, or 5-3-2 in rounds. Good close fight.

Fair score.

[margaret thatcher]

97-93 I think was my score

[scartissue]

Since staying at home, I have been trying to look at every controversial decision in the old noggin. On the subject of Lewis, I scored the first fight between he and Evander Holyfield (the notorious draw). Here we go.

Lewis v Holyfield I

Round 1: 10-9 Lewis
Round 2: 10-9 Lewis
Round 3: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 4: 10-9 Lewis
Round 5: 10-9 Lewis
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Lewis
Round 8: 10-9 Lewis
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Holyfield
Round 11: 10-9 Lewis
Round 12: 10-9 Lewis

Total: 118-112 Lewis

Actual scores were 115-113 Holyfield (can you believe it?), 115-115 Even and 116-113 for Lewis for a Draw. Absolutely one of the worst verdicts I've ever seen. I looked up Eugenia Williams who scored it for Holyfield and saw that she wasn't given another assignment for a year and a half. Moreover, she never really appeared in any marquee event again. That's what they need to do to weed these bad or corrupt judges out of boxing.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya for sure, there is too often a buddy buddy culture with commissions and judges and you see the same bad jjudges getting big fights over and over.

[scartissue]

Ya for sure, there is too often a buddy buddy culture with commissions and judges and you see the same bad jjudges getting big fights over and over.

Oh, man, I despise that. When a judge submits an absolute POS scorecard and is rewarded by another plum assignment in a month's time. You're right, it is like a buddy-buddy system where it's like, "Whose turn is it this month?"

[scartissue]

Milton McCrory v Colin Jones I

Round 1: 10-9 MM
Round 2: 10-9 MM
Round 3: 10-9 MM
Round 4: 10-9 MM
Round 5: 10-9 MM
Round 6: 10-9 MM
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 MM
Round 9: 10-9 Jones
Round 10: 10-9 Jones
Round 11: 10-9 Jones
Round 12: 10-9 Jones

Total: 116-113 McCrory

Actual scores were 116-114 Jones, 116-113 McCrory and 115-115 Draw for a 12 round Draw. Y'know, I liked Jones and always cheered for him, but he was infuriating to watch. He threw strictly one punch at a time. No combos, one jab, one right hook, one left hook. It was hard to be a fan of his. I knew Curry was going to rip him up, but he had a chance against McCrory, if he could have only strung a couple of punches together.

[scartissue]

Finally got around to scoring this. Saw it back in the day but didn't score it. Was a big MAB fan and thought he was robbed. Looking at it with a more level-head, still had it for MAB, but it was damn close.

Erik Morales v MAB I

Round 1: 10-9 Morales
Round 2: 10-9 MAB
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 MAB
Round 5: 10-9 Morales
Round 6: 10-9 Morales
Round 7: 10-9 Morales
Round 8: 10-9 MAB
Round 9: 10-9 MAB
Round 10: 10-9 Morales
Round 11: 10-9 MAB
Round 12: 10-8 MAB (the knockdown was clearly bogus, but it counts)

Total: 115-113 MAB

Actual scores were 114-113 MAB and 114-113, 115-112 both for the winner Morales. Again, it was very close as well as every round and although I thought MAB won, it was too close to say robbery.

[Seamus]

I haven't watched McCrory-Jones I in it's entirety since I scored it live. I gave McCrory the first 5 than Jones the next 6, and McCrory the 12th for a 114-114 draw. Amazingly I also scored the rematch 114-114, 6-5-1 Jones, but a 10-8 first for McCrory. Maybe I'll try again. Jones would have won both if they were 15 rounders.