Is Fury the best heavyweight of all time?

[oogiebe]

Where did I shrink Fury down? You're talking complete nonsense

You didn't. He's just doing his usual schtick.

[ewenhay]

As his argument gets weaker he'll start posting more emojis.

Then when he's really on the ropes he'll ask me who my top ten is.

[oogiebe]

As his argument gets weaker he'll start posting more emojis.

Then when he's really on the ropes he'll ask me who my top ten is.

He'll bring up sending Fury back to 1920 and shrinking him in another month or so during another debate. Ain't that right Jam?

[margaret thatcher]

Lol, as if anyone is having trouble putting forth a strong argument vs your fussing about size being considered If you are going to take guys as they actually were, of course it's relevant, of course it should be mentioned, of course it's not flawed just because it puts little guys at a disadvantage. If none of this is to matter, or if size shouldn't be part of it because it's unfair, you gotta stretch some bones out on some guys, crunch them on others, etc...because that's essentialy what you're arguing for

Btw can hardly see anyone saying it's all that matter, this always happens though , someone just mentions it a s a factor and you get someone moaning 'waah, look he's saying size is all that matters and biggest is best '

[margaret thatcher]

As his argument gets weaker he'll start posting more emojis.

Then when he's really on the ropes he'll ask me who my top ten is.

Ya, as if someone's rankings are irrelevant to how they think hws from across generations compare , oh pooey ewey

[ewenhay]

[margaret thatcher]

I wouldn't expect rankings out of you anyway, too much work, too much thinking, you prefer the just chrip in with one or two liners

[ewenhay]

[oogiebe]

Lol, as if anyone is having trouble putting forth a strong argument vs your fussing about size being considered If you are going to take guys as they actually were, of course it's relevant, of course it should be mentioned, of course it's not flawed just because it puts little guys at a disadvantage. If none of this is to matter, or if size shouldn't be part of it because it's unfair, you gotta stretch some bones out on some guys, crunch them on others, etc...because that's essentialy what you're arguing for

Btw can hardly see anyone saying it's all that matter, this always happens though , someone just mentions it a s a factor and you get someone moaning 'waah, look he's saying size is all that matters and biggest is best '

Smaller guys from prior eras should be able to use baseball bats to even things out vs the slick giants of today!

I think most of us know that size is an attribute just like hand speed; footwork; athleticism; power, etc.

[margaret thatcher]

Ya, but some people think it's unfair game to mention it ,,, ooh, those poor poor little guys of the 1900s

[ewenhay]

I'll try and make it nice an easy for you to understand.

Yes, Fury would possibly knock Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis into next week due to the size difference.

But that doesn't make Fury a greater heavyweight than any of them.

[margaret thatcher]

It makes him their daddy

[ewenhay]

But but but Jack Johnson once fought someone who was 5ft 7 so that means he was rubbish.

But but but Fury is much bigger than Jack Johnson so that means he's better.

Do you even read your own posts?

[oogiebe]

I'll try and make it nice an easy for you to understand.

Yes, Fury would possibly knock Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis into next week due to the size difference.

But that doesn't make Fury a greater heavyweight than any of them.

If you believe that Fury can do that then you believe he might be the best ever. I think Lewis beats them all so I guess I think he's the greatest HW ever.

[margaret thatcher]

He won the HW title from that guy too, would be like someone winning the HW title today vs Danny Garcia

[ewenhay]

I'll try and make it nice an easy for you to understand.

Yes, Fury would possibly knock Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano and Joe Louis into next week due to the size difference.

But that doesn't make Fury a greater heavyweight than any of them.

If you believe that Fury can do that then you believe he might be the best ever. I think Lewis beats them all so I guess I think he's the greatest HW ever.

No I don't. I'm a Fury fan as you well know.

But I'd be bonkers to rank him above other heavyweights such as the afore mentioned. And plenty others

[oogiebe]

He won the HW title from that guy too, would be like someone winning the HW title today vs Danny Garcia

Ok,, you got me laughing my arse off now! Geez you are relentless!!!

[oogiebe]

If you believe that Fury can do that then you believe he might be the best ever. I think Lewis beats them all so I guess I think he's the greatest HW ever.

No I don't. I'm a Fury fan as you well know.

But I'd be bonkers to rank him above other heavyweights such as the afore mentioned. And plenty others

I'd pick him over Marciano and Dempsey head to head. Louis was so complete that I'd give him a fair shot.

[ewenhay]

No I don't. I'm a Fury fan as you well know.

But I'd be bonkers to rank him above other heavyweights such as the afore mentioned. And plenty others

I'd pick him over Marciano and Dempsey head to head. Louis was so complete that I'd give him a fair shot.

Yeah but that's not how I think we should rate them.

I think they should be rated on what they achieved in their era based on real life.

Not what people think might happen when a big guy meets a smaller guy.

[margaret thatcher]

Thread was about who is better ability wise, hardly bonkers to think someone is better than a guy they beat (and a guy who think they would beat)

[Tony1244]

There's such a size difference between a Fury/Lewis and the top HWS from the first half of the 20th century that you'd arguably have to look at it P4P. Fury best ever is quite a stretch, but top 10 is reasonable.

[ewenhay]

For example

Ali came out on top based on the head to head meetings of all the heavyweights in his era. Which included a decent number of fellow heavyweight champions and fellow all time greats. . In an era where there was only one recognised champion to boot.

Fury can't say that. At least yet. He has a win against one guy who could arguably be considered as an atg. Plus one other heavyweight champion. Those are great wins but not enough imo to elevate you above others who have came before.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I love boxing fans. Most of you predicted hed lose to wilder and now you have him as the best ever.

[margaret thatcher]

Another boxing forum feature: 1 guy says something extreme, suddenly people claim everyone is saying it

[oogiebe]

I love boxing fans. Most of you predicted hed lose to wilder and now you have him as the best ever.

Maddening isn't it?