Lets see if boxrec changed for the good

[KiwiRider]

You're very welcome mate, I'm glad I could be of such help

[KiwiRider]

You're very welcome mate, I'm glad I could be of such help

Ah, yeah. About as much help as clapping for the NHS

[lazboy]

Just rewatched it. That was the best fight Lara ever fought. He at least deserved a draw. Personally, I had him winning 8 rounds. Canelo was mainly hitting air, arms, elbows. He also landed quite a few punches on Lara's back. I don't see how he could be given more than 6 rounds.

Did you keep a round by round?

[margaret thatcher]

I would imagine his rbr scoring for Lara-Canelo is something like

1: GGG
2: GGG
3: GGG (10-8)
4. GGG
5. Beterbiev
6. GGG
7.GGG
8. Loma
9. Loma
10.GGG (10-7)
11. GGG
12. Povetkin/Kovalev

All those guys get wins vs Canelo added to their record, Canelo takes 5 losses at once

[lazboy]

Lol, he posts a lot of embarrassing shite.

[Onetimeonly]

Looks like somebody got into the wine coolers again.

[RonnyJ]

the thread moved a bit into a canelo fanboy thread, but what about the main point, do u guys now understand that a record can be not clear, not just because you have a name boxer on your win record doesnt mean right away you achieved something phenomenal. the age and the training shape of your opponent plays a huge factor and obviously if your win was a gift, controversial.

also what many seem to forget, sometimes a loss means more than a win. winning for example against a average boxer doesnt mean as much as losing (yet having a close same eye level) fight with an excellent opponent. breidis being close to beating yet losing against against the best cw ever meant more than any of his other fights!

I wounder which boxer in history beat the most prime atg in non controversial manner. leonard, robinson, pacquiao come to my mind. why not ali, good question. aside from his losses, he had a lot of controversial fights. norton fights were all controversial, liston II fight was controversial because people felt liston got paid out to stay on the canvas.

leonard also had controversial fights, although i dont find the hagler fight controversial, i thought he beat him. well the hearns fight is another story, leonard himself said 1 win 1 loss against hearns, at least he honest.

[boxing_rocks]

Just rewatched it. That was the best fight Lara ever fought. He at least deserved a draw. Personally, I had him winning 8 rounds. Canelo was mainly hitting air, arms, elbows. He also landed quite a few punches on Lara's back. I don't see how he could be given more than 6 rounds.

Did you keep a round by round?

Yes, but I didn't right them down. 6 of the rounds were close and could have gone either way. The other 6, I had Lara winning 5:1.

[thomasjkelley]

You just can't compare eras. Talking "greatest of all time: is always just going to be talk, it's just an opinion. But I agree about Canelo. Most people believe he lost both those fights to Golovkin. He would have been better off getting a decision loss in the first one than that ridiculous scoring. People hold it against him, as if he has something to do with the judging, & that is because his promotion in all likelihood does have something to do with it. At the very least, they guarantee he gets friendly judges

[candyslim]

Not sure Canelo would agree with you but I do.

[Paci]

Canelo's bouts are real nightmares to score sometimes. That is what I take away from this. And yeah, GGG 1 was a robbery, the second one I do think Canelo got it thou.

[candyslim]

Second fight was closer but I still thought it was clearly Golovkin's fight. I reckon Canelo wins on merit though if there's a next time.

[EvanderHolyCrap]

If u think canelo won against lara and didnt have questionable fights with GGG than u delusional.

I understand the controversies for the GGG bouts, but not for his contest over Lara.

For sure, his fight against the Cuban was close, but the Mexican deserved the victory. It was a close fight though, but certainly no robbery.

Lara was employing effective defence during the first five rounds, such as making Canelo miss and then making him pay. However, from round six onwards, he was being too defensive and simply didn’t let his hands go often enough. Erislandy was responsible for his own downfall, because he had the capability to win, but he forfeited too many rounds due to his own negative approach.

Nah he outboxed Canelo but Canelo fans were annoyed he could barely touch Lara for most of the fight while getting picked off by quick straight shots.

[EvanderHolyCrap]

Canelo's bouts are real nightmares to score sometimes. That is what I take away from this. And yeah, GGG 1 was a robbery, the second one I do think Canelo got it thou.

Canelo tries to win rounds by waiting in his opponent to advance into his range too much and counter with flashy combinations. Thing is he usually gets outboxed outside of these small bursts of action but they usually look fancy and get a woo from the crowd, so, well, the judges do what they do in a Canelo fight.

[RonnyJ]

Canelo's bouts are real nightmares to score sometimes. That is what I take away from this. And yeah, GGG 1 was a robbery, the second one I do think Canelo got it thou.

Canelo tries to win rounds by waiting in his opponent to advance into his range too much and counter with flashy combinations. Thing is he usually gets outboxed outside of these small bursts of action but they usually look fancy and get a woo from the crowd, so, well, the judges do what they do in a Canelo fight.

he is the superstar and thats the reason he gets all those gifts. yet i like his boxing style, he is a very good boxer, just not a phenomenal boxer.

[Paci]

Canelo's bouts are real nightmares to score sometimes. That is what I take away from this. And yeah, GGG 1 was a robbery, the second one I do think Canelo got it thou.

Canelo tries to win rounds by waiting in his opponent to advance into his range too much and counter with flashy combinations. Thing is he usually gets outboxed outside of these small bursts of action but they usually look fancy and get a woo from the crowd, so, well, the judges do what they do in a Canelo fight.

But, stealing rounds is part of the game and that might be just what he is aiming for most of the time. Going for the last 30 secs like Leonard.

[Enlightened-One]

I understand the controversies for the GGG bouts, but not for his contest over Lara.

For sure, his fight against the Cuban was close, but the Mexican deserved the victory. It was a close fight though, but certainly no robbery.

Lara was employing effective defence during the first five rounds, such as making Canelo miss and then making him pay. However, from round six onwards, he was being too defensive and simply didn’t let his hands go often enough. Erislandy was responsible for his own downfall, because he had the capability to win, but he forfeited too many rounds due to his own negative approach.

Nah he outboxed Canelo but Canelo fans were annoyed he could barely touch Lara for most of the fight while getting picked off by quick straight shots.

The majority of the media also believed Canelo won that fight.

[oogiebe]

Nah he outboxed Canelo but Canelo fans were annoyed he could barely touch Lara for most of the fight while getting picked off by quick straight shots.

The majority of the media also believed Canelo won that fight.

Weren't the numbers you provided 38% for Canelo and 33% for Lara? Hardly convincing.

[margaret thatcher]

So the majority had Canelo winning, yet over 60 percent didn't have him winning! Does that mean the majority had him winning and the majority had him not winning at the same time ?

So many different ways you can play with the phrases to suit your point

It also makes me think, what if major fights now had it so you could win a 1-0-2 judges decision instead of it being a draw

[oogiebe]

So the majority had Canelo winning, yet over 60 percent didn't have him winning! Does that mean the majority had him winning and the majority had him not winning at the same time ?

So many different ways you can play with the phrases to suit your point

It also makes me think, what if major fights now had it so you could win a 1-0-2 judges decision instead of it being a draw

[Enlightened-One]

If u think canelo won against lara ... then u delusional.

Nah he outboxed Canelo but Canelo fans were annoyed he could barely touch Lara for most of the fight while getting picked off by quick straight shots.

• Ryan Burton (BS) : 116-112 Canelo
• All About Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• Phil D Jay (WorldBoxingNews) : 116-112 Canelo
• The Boxing Expert : 115-113 Canelo
• Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 117-113 Canelo
• Adam Abramowitz (Saturday Night Boxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• David Greisman (BS) : 115-113 Canelo
• Lance Pugmire (LA Times) : 115-113 Canelo
• Daniel Vano (Checkhookboxing) : 115-114 Canelo
• Steve Bunce (allegedly TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Matt Knowles (3MoreRounds) : 116-112 Canelo
• Rich Marotta (KFI Radio) : 115-113 Canelo
• Pro Boxing Fans Jake : 115-113 Canelo
• Dan Rafael (ESPN) : 116-112 Canelo
• Martin Gallegas (The Boxing Channel) : 115-113 Canelo
• Ryan Bivins (Sweetboxing) : 115-113 Canelo
• FightersRated : 115-114 Canelo
• Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fightnews : 115-113 Canelo
• Max Kellerman (HBO) : 115-113 Canelo
• Fight Ghost : 115-113 Canelo
• Boxing Chat : 116-114 Canelo
• Ernest Gabion (Everlast) : 115-113 Canelo
• Stephen St John (Sports Radio 810 WHB) : 115-113 Canelo
• Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) : 116-112 Canelo
• Tom Gray (Ring Magazine) : 116-113 Canelo
• The Sweet Science : 115-113 Canelo
• Mario Mungia (ThaBoxingVoice) : 115-114 Canelo
• Iconic Boxing : 115-113 Canelo
• John Evans (LiveFight) : 115-113 Canelo
• Bryan Kenny (Showtime TV) : 116-112 Canelo
• Steve Adams Jnr (Punchperfectpugilism) : 116-113 Canelo
• Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) :115-113 Canelo
• Norm Frauenheim (Ring Magazine) : 116-114 Canelo
• Jeffrey Freeman (KODigest.TV) : 115-113 Canelo
• Andreas Hale (KnockoutNation.com) : 115-113 Canelo
• Diego Morilla (XN Sports) : 115-113 Canelo
• Kenny Porter (Trainer) : 116-112 Canelo
• Abel Sanchez (Trainer) : 115-113 Canelo
• Anson Wainwright (Ring Magazine) : 115-113 Canelo

Enough said!

[lazboy]

Not that anyone needs the reminder, but the threads a clear example of how ridiculous a poster EO is. Embarrassing that he/she/it continues in this manner; spewing skewed stats on repeat (his/her/its usual business).

[oogiebe]

Not that anyone needs the reminder, but the threads a clear example of how ridiculous a poster EO is. Embarrassing that he/she/it continues in this manner; spewing skewed stats on repeat (his/her/its usual business).

He's the same poster who said 38% of media had Canelo winning. Duh! So 62% were for Lara or draw. Maddening he is.

[lazboy]

Not that anyone needs the reminder, but the threads a clear example of how ridiculous a poster EO is. Embarrassing that he/she/it continues in this manner; spewing skewed stats on repeat (his/her/its usual business).

He's the same poster who said 38% of media had Canelo winning. Duh! So 62% were for Lara or draw. Maddening he is.

I’ll keep it brief as there’s more significant worries in the world. Basically he’s a complete waste of time, irrational and very unreliable.

I’m not able to take anything he says seriously, given he continually provides skewed information. Most of his posts are emotive, cloaked in skewed “facts”, like the above posts.

[oogiebe]

He's the same poster who said 38% of media had Canelo winning. Duh! So 62% were for Lara or draw. Maddening he is.

I’ll keep it brief as there’s more significant worries in the world. Basically he’s a complete waste of time, irrational and very unreliable.

I’m not able to take anything he says seriously, given he continually provides skewed information. Most of his posts are emotive, cloaked in skewed “facts”.

You are 100% correct. There are more worries in the world. EO isn't a worry though. You layed it out pretty effectively.