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[scartissue]

Getting around to hitting all the controversial fights I can. And few more controversial than this. The 1976 Ali-Norton fight in Yankee Stadium. Scoring on the NY rounds basis.

Round 1: Ali
Round 2: Norton
Round 3: Ali
Round 4: Norton
Round 5: Norton
Round 6: Norton
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Norton
Round 9: Ali
Round 10: Ali
Round 11: Ali
Round 12: Norton
Round 13: Ali
Round 14: Norton
Round 15: Ali

Total: 7-7-1 Draw

Actual scores - 8-6, 8-7 and 8-7 all for Ali. Damn close fight right down to the wire

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Gene Hatcher v Tyrone Crawley

Don't know if this bout has been looked at, but 10 rounds at break-neck speed. This really will test your skills on what you are looking for in a fight. And let me preface this by saying, no one is wrong. This was one tight fight and every round could go either way. NJ scoring on the rounds basis.

Round 1: Hatcher
Round 2: Hatcher
Round 3: Crawley
Round 4: Hatcher
Round 5: Hatcher
Round 6: Crawley
Round 7: Hatcher
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Hatcher

Total: 6-2-2 Hatcher

Actual scores were 5-5 Draw, 7-3 and 5-4-1 for Crawley on a majority decision. I didn't see the fight back in the day but heard from a number of people that Hatcher was robbed. Well, although I felt his workrate won him the fight, I can see Crawley's counters and mid-ring style gaining him the nod with others. A good, fast fight and one fight where no one is wrong. It was that tight.

[Seamus]

From 2013

Muhammad Ali v Ken Norton III

R1.MA
R2.MA
R3.MA
R4.KN
R5.KN
R6.KN
R7.MA
R8.KN
R9.MA
R10.MA
R11.Even
R12.Even
R13.KN
R14.KN
R15.KN

Ken Norton 7-6-2

Certainly not the robbery it's been made out to be, and a fight Ali could have won had he not blown a few rounds just staying on the ropes.

[Ambling Alp II]

I had it 6-6-3. I seldom score a round even and don't think I ever had three in one fight. There were a lot of close rounds. I do think Ali won the 15th, Norton did almost nothing in that round.

[scartissue]

With so much time on the hands these days with the 'stay at home' thing going on, I've really been concentrating on controversial decisions. Today I had another gander at the Carlos Zarate v Lupe Pintor fight from '79. First time around watching it live, I didn't score it but thought Zarate was an easy winner and totally shocked by the decision. Second time around scoring it had Zarate very close and couldn't understand how I felt Zarate had it wide first time around. Never posted my score then but sat down and did it one more time. here we go, 10 point must in effect.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Pintor
Round 3: 10-9 Zarate
Round 4: 10-8 Zarate (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Zarate
Round 6: 10-9 Pintor
Round 7: 10-9 Zarate
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Pintor
Round 10: 10-9 Pintor
Round 11: 10-9 Pintor
Round 12: 10-9 Zarate
Round 13: 10-9 Zarate
Round 14: 10-10 Even
Round 15: 10-10 Even

Total: 145-143 Zarate

Actual scores were 143-142 (twice) for Pintor and 145-133 for Zarate. Now that last card by Bob Martin always raised eyebrows. But what happened was Martin was scoring on the 5 point must system for some reason (didn't Vegas sit down with these judges beforehand?). When it was caught, Martin thought it was a good idea to simply double his scores. Ludicrous! Because a 5-4 round now becomes a 10-8 round. Thus a very lopsided score. Anyways, a very tight fight and the two judges scoring for Pintor now make total sense and I can't run them through the dirt like I did back in '79. A very tight fight.

[Onetimeonly]

That raises an even bigger question with Bob, how did he double his score and land on odd numbers?

[scartissue]

That raises an even bigger question with Bob, how did he double his score and land on odd numbers?

Apparently, someone - obviously an official - actually saw his card somewhere during the fight and brought it to his attention. So it could have been mid-fight. It was from there he doubled his scores and then continued the scorecard with the 10 point must system. Thus, the odd number score.

[Onetimeonly]

That raises an even bigger question with Bob, how did he double his score and land on odd numbers?

Apparently, someone - obviously an official - actually saw his card somewhere during the fight and brought it to his attention. So it could have been mid-fight. It was from there he doubled his scores and then continued the scorecard with the 10 point must system. Thus, the odd number score.

[scartissue]

I'm still on my hunt to hit the controversial decisions during the 'stay-at-home' period. Today, its the Larry Holmes v Carl 'The Truth' Williams bout. I watched it back in the day and just tabulated it in my head roughly at the time and I had it a draw. But now, pen-to-paper, Larry doesn't make out that well.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Williams
Round 3: 10-9 Williams
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Williams
Round 6: 10-9 Williams
Round 7: 10-9 Holmes
Round 8: 10-9 Williams
Round 9: 10-9 Holmes
Round 10: 10-9 Williams
Round 11: 10-9 Williams
Round 12: 10-9 Holmes
Round 13: 10-9 Williams
Round 14: 10-9 Holmes
Round 15: 10-9 Holmes

Total: 145-142 Williams

I'm not one to give points for reputation as Ferdie Pacheco drones on throughout the contest. One has to earn it IMO. Actual scores were 143-142 and 2 scores of 146-139 all for Holmes. There is simply no way anyone could give Holmes that fight on those last two scores. That is 11-4 in rounds, which simply no one with any shred of knowledge or decency could come up with. Holmes was clearly outpointed in this bout, IMO. Moreover, I looked at the two judges who scored the bout lopsidedly for Holmes. And its interesting to note, Paul Gibbs was participating in his 6th judging assignment and Al Rothenberg I knew as Pernell Whitaker's hand-picked referee that he took with him everywhere. In a nutshell, Williams had a right to feel like he was mugged.

[Seamus]

Watching it live I gave The Truth the first 6 rds and had him coasting to a 146-142 victory on my card. Surprisingly the next morning's papers said nothing about the decision being controversial.

[scartissue]

Annoys me to no end when a 'writer' cannot even exercise his opinion, but just go along. 'Well he is the champ', kind of nonsense. I can appreciate people like you who can say, 'I don't think so.'

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Looking at Crawley-Hatcher recently had me checking out Crawley against Bramble. I recall it being a very fast-moving fight, but I also had it very close. It's a difficult fight to score because of one's preferences. I always look for good clean shots and this was a bit of a nightmare due to the speed of Crawley vs. the power of Bramble. I found the bout riding a fine line and the disparity in the scores (well, one score) shows how one can view this. Here we go, Livingstone Bramble defending his title against Tyrone Crawley.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Bramble (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Crawley
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Crawley
Round 6: 10-8 Crawley (Bramble penalized one point for hitting after the bell)
Round 7: 10-9 Bramble
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Bramble
Round 10: 10-9 Crawley
Round 11: 10-9 Bramble
Round 12: 10-9 Bramble
Round 13: Bramble stops Crawley

Total (through 12 completed rounds): 115-114 Bramble

Actual scores were 118-115, 117-110 and 116-114 all for Bramble. Nothing wrong with these scores. Like I said, every round was so close and rode a fine line on what your looking for. A terrific fight where Bramble was slowly chipping away at the resolve of Crawley. Well worth watching.

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Today I decided I just wanted to look at a rock-em-sock-em bout and I elected on the bout between Rockin' Robin Blake and Tony 'The Tiger' Baltazar. This is the kind of fight you want to just sit back and enjoy...but of course I ended up scoring it as well. Every punch had mayhem written all over it.

Round 1: 10-9 Blake
Round 2: 10-9 Blake
Round 3: 10-9 Baltazar
Round 4: 10-9 Blake
Round 5: 10-9 Blake
Round 6: 10-9 Blake
Round 7: 10-9 Baltazar (Great round)
Round 8: 10-8 Blake (scores a knockdown and the ref disallows a KD scored by Baltazar - great round)
Round 9: Blake drops Tony twice and fight is stopped

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 78-73 Blake

Tony is constantly trying to nail Blake with his signature left hook but around the 7th I noticed him starting to use his lead right - the punch to use against a southpaw - and connecting. He should have started that earlier. The severe cut he picked up early in the fight (it was so bad he was bleeding again before leaving his corner) just drained him. And against Blake's rapid combos something had to give. Great fight. I should also mention that the KD disallowed by the ref was BS. That was as legitimate a KD as you will see.

[scartissue]

Juan Manuel Marquez v Juan Diaz I. What a tremendous war.

Round 1: 10-9 Diaz
Round 2: 10-9 Diaz
Round 3: 10-9 Diaz
Round 4: 10-9 JMM
Round 5: 10-9 Diaz
Round 6: 10-9 Diaz
Round 7: 10-9 JMM
Round 8: 10-9 JMM
Round 9: JMM stops Diaz

Total (through 8 completed rounds): 77-75 Diaz

A tough fight to score. I had the same score as Harold Lederman, but I know our rounds 6 and 7 were inverted. It was just that kind of a fight. Diaz' aggression against the pin-point punching of Marquez. A very fine line in scoring, but what a fight!

[Seamus]

Roberto Duran vs Carlos Palomino

No need to list it round by round. I had Duran winning all 10 rounds, with rd 6 scored 10-8 after Duran dropped Palomino with a straight right to the head. 100-89 for Duran.

This was a totally dominant performance from Duran, who made Palomino look like a beaten man from the opening round. The only positive for Palomino you could mention in this fight was that he took his beating well. One of Duran's best ever performances. The few times Palomino lands anything solid, Duran would come right back to stamp out any attempted rally.

[scartissue]

Roberto Duran vs Carlos Palomino

No need to list it round by round. I had Duran winning all 10 rounds, with rd 6 scored 10-8 after Duran dropped Palomino with a straight right to the head. 100-89 for Duran.

This was a totally dominant performance from Duran, who made Palomino look like a beaten man from the opening round. The only positive for Palomino you could mention in this fight was that he took his beating well. One of Duran's best ever performances. The few times Palomino lands anything solid, Duran would come right back to stamp out any attempted rally.

Seamus, have you seen Palomino's 10 rounder with Hedgemon Lewis? Excellent fight between one fighter on the way up and one on the way down.

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I was perusing some fighters to check out on youtube and found a decent film on the first fight between Yaqui Lopez and Matthew Saad Muhammad (then Matt Franklin). I've seen clips but I watched it in its entirety today. Not as good as their title fight but a very good contest, nonetheless. This was scored on the Pennsylvania 5 point system.

Franklin-Lopez I

Round 1: 5-4 Franklin
Round 2: 5-4 Franklin
Round 3: 5-3 Franklin (Matt hurts Yaqui bad in this one - felt it deserved a 2 point round)
Round 4: 5-4 Lopez
Round 5: 5-4 Franklin
Round 6: 5-4 Lopez
Round 7: 5-4 Franklin
Round 8: 5-4 Lopez (best round of the fight)
Round 9: 5-4 Lopez
Round 10: 5-4 Franklin
Round 11: Franklin stops Lopez at 2:59

Total: 46-43 Franklin (through 10 completed rounds)

At first I thought it went to the end of the round before referee Frank Cappucino stopped it, but I guess officially it was 2:59 of the 11th. Although I gave the 11th to Franklin, I am only scoring it through 10 completed rounds and therefore my score through 10 is 46-43 in favor of Matt Franklin.

Ironically, the 8th round was also the best round of their title fight. Here, Yaqui hurt Matt and then unloaded the entire armory before Matt came back on Yaqui. And then again before the end of the round Yaqui came back on Matt again. Just a great round. BTW, the fight was stopped on some severe facial damage suffered by Yaqui. A swollen eye, and bad cut finished him. Franklin was dropping in a short overhand right and always landing which did the damage. But again, an excellent fight.

[Woldemar]

Eusebio Pedroza vs Rocky Lockridge I

1. RL 10-9
2 RL 10-9
3 RL 10-9
4 RL 10-9
5 RL 10-9
6 RL 10-9
7 RL 10-9
8 EP 10-9
9 EP 10-9
10 EP 10-9
11 RL 10-9
12 EP 10-9
13 RL 10-9
14 EP 10-8 ( No knockdowns,but EP was very good in this round,Lockridge looked very tired)
15 RL 10-9

Winner : Rocky Lockridge 144-140

Official scorecard :147-141(Pedroza),149-139(Pedroza ),144-142 (Lockridge) ,Pedroza win by SD.

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Eusebio Pedroza vs Rocky Lockridge I

1. RL 10-9
2 RL 10-9
3 RL 10-9
4 RL 10-9
5 RL 10-9
6 RL 10-9
7 RL 10-9
8 EP 10-9
9 EP 10-9
10 EP 10-9
11 RL 10-9
12 EP 10-9
13 RL 10-9
14 EP 10-8 ( No knockdowns,but EP was very good in this round,Lockridge looked very tired)
15 RL 10-9

Winner : Rocky Lockridge 144-140

Official scorecard :147-141(Pedroza),149-139(Pedroza ),144-142 (Lockridge) ,Pedroza win by SD.

Woldemar, it's been a couple of years, but here was my card on the fight and what I wrote at the time. Hey, it just shows we're not all in lock-step with one another.

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 9: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 10: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 11: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 12: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 13: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 14: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 15: 10-9 Lockridge

145-143 Pedroza

Very close fight, but Pedroza was fortunate to have the WBA's house referee Stanley Christodolou working that fight. There are many referees who would have taken points from Pedroza for those repeated low-blows. Christodolou just repeated throughout 'keep them up', which was pointless. Still, great fight.

[Seamus]

Eusebio Pedroza vs Rocky Lockridge I

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-9 RL
R3 10-9 RL
R4 10-10 Even
R5 10-9 RL
R6 10-9 RL
R7 10-9 RL
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 EP
R10 10-9 EP
R11 10-9 EP
R12 10-10 Even
R13 10-9 RL
R14 10-9 EP
R15 10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 146-141

[DrDuke]

Ali-Frazier trilogy.


#1

1: Frazier
2: Ali
3: Frazier
4: Ali
5: Ali
6: Frazier
7: Frazier
8: Frazier
9: Ali
10: Frazier
11: Frazier
12: Frazier
13: Frazier
14: Frazier
15: Frazier

Totals: Frazier 11-4


#2

1: Ali
2: Ali
3: Frazier
4: Even
5: Frazier
6: Ali
7: Frazier
8: Frazier
9: Ali
10: Even
11: Ali
12: Even

Totals: Ali 5-4-3


#3

1: Ali
2: Ali
3: Ali
4: Even
5: Frazier
6: Frazier
7: Frazier
8: Frazier
9: Frazier
10: Frazier
11: Ali
12: Even
13: Ali
14: Ali

Totals prior to the stoppage: Draw 6-6-2

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Here is the bad-blood fight of Fernando Vargas with Oscar DeLaHoya. To tell you the truth, I was surprised when this match was made back in the day. Vargas had made himself insufferable with some of the crap he was saying about ODLH and as a result Oscar said, "I will never fight him." Which I realized at the time would be Oscar giving Vargas his greatest payday. But eventually money talks all-round and here we are.

Round 1: 10-9 Vargas
Round 2: 10-9 Oscar
Round 3: 10-9 Vargas
Round 4: 10-9 Oscar
Round 5: 10-9 Vargas
Round 6: 10-9 Vargas
Round 7: 10-9 Oscar
Round 8: 10-9 Oscar
Round 9: 10-9 Vargas
Round 10: 10-9 Oscar
Round 11: Oscar drops and stops Vargas

Total (through 10 completed rounds): 95-95 Even

Actual scores were 96-94 (twice) for Oscar and 97-94 for Vargas. I think the only round I disagreed with Harold Lederman was the 6th, which I gave to Vargas, he gave to Oscar and even the HBO team was saying what a great round it was for Oscar. So I rewatched the round. Nope! I still think it was Vargas' round. Anyways, good fight between two fighters who really didn't like one another.

[Seamus]

Oscar De La Hoya vs Fernando Vargas

R1.10-9 FV
R2.10-9 OD
R3.10-9 FV
R4.10-9 OD
R5.10-9 FV
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 OD
R8.10-9 OD
R9.10-9 FV
R10.10-9 OD

Oscar De La Hoya TK0 11 (ahead 96-95 at the time)

Gutsy performance from Oscar who got overpowered by the stronger Vargas, anytime this fight went to the ropes, but this time he figured out quicker what not to do.

[DrDuke]

Ali-Norton trilogy.


#1

1: Ali
2: Norton
3: Ali
4: Norton
5: Norton
6: Norton
7: Norton
8: Ali
9: Norton
10: Norton
11: Ali
12: Norton

Totals: Norton 8-4


#2

1: Ali
2: Ali
3: Ali
4: Ali
5: Norton
6: Ali
7: Norton
8: Norton
9: Ali
10: Norton
11: Norton
12: Ali

Totals: Ali 7-5


#3

1: Ali
2: Norton
3: Norton
4: Norton
5: Norton
6: Norton
7: Ali
8: Norton
9: Norton
10: Ali
11: Norton
12: Ali
13: Ali
14: Norton
15: Norton

Totals: Norton 10-5

[oogiebe]

I had norton/ali III even going into the last round and scored the 15th even.