Who are the 20 best fighters you have SEEN fight?

[gilgamesh]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

Here's the conversation for you guys.

Who are the best fighters you've actually seen fight. Go.

[RonnyJ]

you live on tv, or clips on youtube, or live at the venue.

judging from live tv and youtube, these are the best iv seen:


1) jones jr
2) lomachenko
3) robinson
4) leonard
5) pacquiao
6) hearns
7) inoue
8) tyson
9) clay
10) trinidad

11) mosley
12) mayweather
13) whitacker
14) duran
15) GGG
16) hagler
17) de la hoya
18) chavez
19) martinez
20) hopkins

my top 20 changes from day to day, for a good quality top 20 i would need more thinking, more time. but top 5 for example is spot on.

[paddy chavez]

Without to much thought
Floyd
Sugar Ray Leonard
Duran
Roy Jones
Tommy Hearns
Hagler
Chavez
Mosley
Manny pac
Holyfield
Lennox
Nas Hamed
Tyson
Lomochenko
Golovkin
Tyson
JMM
calzaghe
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
James toney
Meldrick Taylor

Not in any real order and no doubt I've missed some obvious ones

[Paci]

Not gonna do another bloody list after this one. Boxingfans and their fecking ranks. Did not rate Robinsson or anyone that was before my life time. And going by prime or something.

1.Roy Jones
2.Mayweather
3.Whitaker
4.Fury
5.Hearns
6.Leonard
7.Duran
8.Loma
9.Usyk
10.Toney
11.Hopkins
12.Tyson
13.Inoue
14.Pacquiao
15.Barrera
16.Lewis
17.Klitschko
18.Hagler
19.Wright
20.E.Augustus

Enough.

[Syntax Error]

In no particular order and not all in their primes:-

Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Mike Tyson
Thomas Hearns
Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
Naseem Hamed
Herbie Hide
Ricky Hatton
Carl Thompson
David Haye
Johnny Nelson
Ryan Rhodes
Dillian Whyte
Anthony Joshua
Amir Khan
Carl Froch
Danny Williams
George Groves
Pat Barrett

[NateJR]

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Roy Jones Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Marvin Hagler
Bernard Hopkins
Pernell Whitaker
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Andre Ward
Juan Manuel Marquez
Joe Calzaghe
Felix Trinidad
Julio Cesar chavez
Shane Mosley
Terrance Crawford
Oscar Delahoya
Canelo Alvarez
Vasyl Lomachenko

[Steel City]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

Here's the conversation for you guys.

Who are the best fighters you've actually seen fight. Go.

You've not made it clear - do you mean live at the event? or Just every boxer you've ever watched footage of past or present? or Just or the boxers you've watched since you started watching boxing? or?

[gilgamesh]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

Here's the conversation for you guys.

Who are the best fighters you've actually seen fight. Go.

You've not made it clear - do you mean live at the event? or Just every boxer you've ever watched footage of past or present? or Just or the boxers you've watched since you started watching boxing? or?

Any boxer you've watched footage of

[Onetimeonly]

You can always count on jip. Tito significantly greater than Hopkins. :Tyson top 10 and no holy. lol:

[gilgamesh]

I'll probably do 2 separate lists. The first one which will be easier for me to think of is the 20 best fighters I've seen in real time since becoming a major fan of the sport in late 2001. Some of these guys had their best moments prior to 2001, but I'll go ahead, and count 'em even if I was first exposed to 'em in their later stages.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Roy Jones Jr.
6. James Toney
7. Marco Antonio Barrera
8, Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Erik Morales
10. Roman Gonzalez
11. Vasyl Lomachenko
12. Oleksandr Usyk
13. Gennady Golovkin
14. Wladimir Klitschko
15. Tyson Fury
16. Shane Mosley
17. Sergio Martinez
18. Oscar De La Hoya
19. Kostya Tszyu
20. Jose Luis Castillo

I'm probably forgetting somebody, but this feels right to me. Winky Wright, might deserve JLC's spot, but I'm a big fan of JLC so I admit to just wanting to include him.

[Onetimeonly]

Jlc is greater than tszyu, Sergio, wlad, fury. Ggg, usyk and lomachenko. You're good there.

[gilgamesh]

I left out Andre Ward and Joe Calzaghe, they'd surely fall in the Top 20 somewhere. Hell Ward would have to rank in the Top 10, even though I'm not a fan. I just forgot about him.

[Onetimeonly]

Yeah, they definitely belong. So does Castillo.

[Syntax Error]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

Here's the conversation for you guys.

Who are the best fighters you've actually seen fight. Go.

I misread your post: I posted what I thought were the twenty best fighters I'd gone to see live.

The twenty best fighters I have actually seen would be a completely different list.

[gilgamesh]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

Here's the conversation for you guys.

Who are the best fighters you've actually seen fight. Go.

I misread your post: I posted what I thought were the twenty best fighters I'd gone to see live.

The twenty best fighters I have actually seen would be a completely different list.

If I simply posted the 20 best fighters I actually saw fight in the flesh it'd be an extremely unimpressive list.

[littlepug]

In no particular order and off the top of my head.
Leonard
Robinson
Duran
Mayweather
Pacquiao
Holyfield
Toney
Jones
Chavez
Lewis
Ali
McCallum
Hagler
Donaire
O. Canizales
Hearns
Marquez
A.Nelson
Canelo
Holmes

[margaret thatcher]

Whoever Eddeh tells me is the best, and only if they fight live and exclusive on Sky Sports

[Enlightened-One]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

If I am a “stickler”, then the IBHoF must be too, since they also choose to refrain from comparing old-timers to modern-day fighters.

The former category requires validation by historians & researchers (that need to thoroughly investigate an old-timers qualification credentials, predominantly via textbooks, newspapers, interview transcripts etc.).

Whereas the latter category can be voted on by journalists and members of the boxing community, using their own knowledge/expertise, coupled with the proverbial eyeball test, since they would have actually seen modern-day fighters compete.

For instance, journalists like Doug Fischer or Dan Rafael have often refrained from participating in the voting polls for the IBHoF old-timers category, for the very reason I’ve just conveyed.

Regardless, the names being mentioned in this thread appear to wholeheartedly support my argument.

Finally, just to make myself clear, I’ve never claimed that old-timers cannot be considered great, but I do feel that where there’s almost a complete absence of film footage, they shouldn’t be compared to modern day fighters.

[gilgamesh]

Here ya go. For the sticklers like EO, who think fighters of yesteryear simply can't measure up because nobody has seen 'em.

If I am a “stickler”, then the IBHoF must be too, since they also choose to refrain from comparing old-timers to modern-day fighters.

The former category requires validation by historians & researchers (that need to thoroughly investigate an old-timers qualification credentials, predominantly via textbooks, newspapers, interview transcripts etc.).

Whereas the latter category can be voted on by journalists and members of the boxing community, using their own knowledge/expertise, coupled with the proverbial eyeball test, since they would have actually seen modern-day fighters compete.

For instance, journalists like Doug Fischer or Dan Rafael have often refrained from participating in the voting polls for the IBHoF old-timers category, for the very reason I’ve just conveyed.

Regardless, the names being mentioned in this thread appear to wholeheartedly support my argument.

Finally, just to make myself clear, I’ve never claimed that old-timers cannot be considered great, but I do feel that where there’s almost a complete absence of film footage, they shouldn’t be compared to modern day fighters.

We get it. You're a fussy prick that needs to let it be known every now and again. This thread was for you. Hope you enjoy it, now take your obnoxious attitude, and stick it up your ass.

How's about instead of a dickish comment you give us a list?

[Enlightened-One]

We get it. You're a fussy prick that needs to let it be known every now and again. This thread was for you. Hope you enjoy it, now take your obnoxious attitude, and stick it up your ass.

How's about instead of a dickish comment you give us a list?

I don’t think there was anything particularly obnoxious about what I’ve written, but it seems you're a rather sensitive guy, so I sincerely apologise for any emotional trauma or distress my words may have caused.

Anyway, there’s really no point in me submitting another post to this thread, because you’ll simply post more unprovoked abuse.

[Paci]

Just gold.

[gilgamesh]

We get it. You're a fussy prick that needs to let it be known every now and again. This thread was for you. Hope you enjoy it, now take your obnoxious attitude, and stick it up your ass.

How's about instead of a dickish comment you give us a list?

I don’t think there was anything particularly obnoxious about what I’ve written, but it seems you're a rather sensitive guy, so I sincerely apologise for any emotional trauma or distress my words may have caused.

Anyway, there’s really no point in me submitting another post to this thread, because you’ll simply post more unprovoked abuse.

That post wasn't about your comment here so much as it was about how you carry this same exact demeanor into seemingly every thread.

This "I know more than you, so bow down to me and my research" attitude.

Somebody needed to knock you down a peg.

[Onetimeonly]

I don’t think there was anything particularly obnoxious about what I’ve written, but it seems you're a rather sensitive guy, so I sincerely apologise for any emotional trauma or distress my words may have caused.

Anyway, there’s really no point in me submitting another post to this thread, because you’ll simply post more unprovoked abuse.

That post wasn't about your comment here so much as it was about how you carry this same exact demeanor into seemingly every thread.

This "I know more than you, so bow down to me and my research" attitude.

Somebody needed to knock you down a peg.

You'd have to search long to find someone who knows less.

[oogiebe]

I guess someone really got 'enlightened' here. LMFAO!

Here's mine as it comes into my head. Ask me again next week and I'm sure others would appear.

Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Leonard
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Clay/Ali
Eder Jafre
Roy Jones JR.
Marvin Hagler
Salvador Sanchez
Roberto Duran (at Lightweight)
Tommy Hearns
Evander Holyfield (so complete)
Bob Foster (utterly dominant at LHW)
Pernell Whitaker
FMJ
Loma
Paq-man
Carlos Zarate
Calzaghe
Lennox Lewis

[oogiebe]

We get it. You're a fussy prick that needs to let it be known every now and again. This thread was for you. Hope you enjoy it, now take your obnoxious attitude, and stick it up your ass.

How's about instead of a dickish comment you give us a list?

I don’t think there was anything particularly obnoxious about what I’ve written, but it seems you're a rather sensitive guy, so I sincerely apologise for any emotional trauma or distress my words may have caused.

Anyway, there’s really no point in me submitting another post to this thread, because you’ll simply post more unprovoked abuse.

Obnoxious folks rarely think they are obnoxious.