Classic fights I've watched recently
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The McGuigan book was excellent, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Acelino Freitas vs Barry Jones
Freitas gets off the canvas early in the 1st round to knockdown Jones multiple times before putting him away in the 8th to retain his World Super Featherweight title, brave showing from Jones, after dropping Freitas fairly heavily in the 1st from a perfectly timed left hook, it became a long hard night for him but he never stopped trying to make something happen despite it being a lost cause, Freitas got up from the KD to deck Jones twice later in the round, first from a right hand then a left to thr body had Jones down again
Freitas had Jones down again in the 2nd from another sickening left to the body and again in the 3rd from a right over the top, things quitened down in the next couple rounds and Jones stopped the rot albeit temporarily, he started to have some success and trouble Freitas slightly, mostly shoeshine shots but he was being a pest at least
Right at the bell to end the 7th Freitas put Jones down for a 5th time, again it was the right hand upstairs which did the damage, things ended in the 8th , Freitas had Jones down from another left hook to the body, Jones bravely got up again but once Freitas steamed in the towel came in from Jones corner
Brave brave showing from Jones, down 6 times and got up 6 times and without being a puncher even managed to drop Freitas first
Freitas gets off the canvas early in the 1st round to knockdown Jones multiple times before putting him away in the 8th to retain his World Super Featherweight title, brave showing from Jones, after dropping Freitas fairly heavily in the 1st from a perfectly timed left hook, it became a long hard night for him but he never stopped trying to make something happen despite it being a lost cause, Freitas got up from the KD to deck Jones twice later in the round, first from a right hand then a left to thr body had Jones down again
Freitas had Jones down again in the 2nd from another sickening left to the body and again in the 3rd from a right over the top, things quitened down in the next couple rounds and Jones stopped the rot albeit temporarily, he started to have some success and trouble Freitas slightly, mostly shoeshine shots but he was being a pest at least
Right at the bell to end the 7th Freitas put Jones down for a 5th time, again it was the right hand upstairs which did the damage, things ended in the 8th , Freitas had Jones down from another left hook to the body, Jones bravely got up again but once Freitas steamed in the towel came in from Jones corner
Brave brave showing from Jones, down 6 times and got up 6 times and without being a puncher even managed to drop Freitas first
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David Tua vs John Ruiz.
Probably I watched this fight more, than any other.
Tua just came out there with an onslaught and crushed Ruiz in 19 seconds in an absolutely spectacular fashion. Acknowledging the fact of how Ruiz' career would develop further, this win became a one of the most satisfying for me.
Probably I watched this fight more, than any other.
Tua just came out there with an onslaught and crushed Ruiz in 19 seconds in an absolutely spectacular fashion. Acknowledging the fact of how Ruiz' career would develop further, this win became a one of the most satisfying for me.Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Very few other fights were as satisfying as seeing Ruiz blown out. Ruiz's most exciting fight for sure!!!DrDuke wrote: ↑09 Apr 2020, 05:05 David Tua vs John Ruiz.
Probably I watched this fight more, than any other.
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The fact there was no rematch was disgraceful. That took a page out of rasslin, pretending it never happened.oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Apr 2020, 10:05Very few other fights were as satisfying as seeing Ruiz blown out. Ruiz's most exciting fight for sure!!!DrDuke wrote: ↑09 Apr 2020, 05:05 David Tua vs John Ruiz.
Probably I watched this fight more, than any other.
Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Whew, just rewatched the whole Ali-Frazier trilogy.
#1
A highly exciting and actioned packed showdown. The best out of all three bouts. Ali started strong, however, not that one-sided, as a lot tend to say. I'd even say, that a slow-starter Frazier won the first round. Yes, he started slow even in it, but he stole it eventually, as he landed several damaging left hooks and Ali slowed down himself after already the first one. Anyway, the first 5 rounds were pretty close and I had Ali in three of them. Since the 6th Ali was battered enough to show the signs of exhaustion. Frazier began to prevail since then, he also began to put more damage on Ali's body. Ali came back in the 9th though, he even wobbled Frazier a bit, but that was the last really good round for Ali. Smokin' Joe turned the fight in his favor again in the next round and in the 11th Frazier hurt Ali so much with another left hook, that Ali nearly suffered a knockdown, the ropes saved him. In the next round Frazier took a break, but still controlled the fight and the control continued to the final round, where Smokin' Joe ended the fight with an exclamation mark, as he knocked Ali down with his trademark left hook. Frazier won the fight fair-and-square.
#2
A very close and quite dirty bout due to the excessive holding by Ali. Well, overall, the fight was decent, but not enough good in the context of its participants' greatness. Ali started well and in the end of the 2nd he even hurt Frazier so much, that Frazier wobbled. A round ended right after that and it was a mistake by the ref (yeah, another one), cause 10 seconds remained. However, hardly Ali would develop much success if not that early break. Joe was able to come back in the next rounds. Some of the following rounds were very close and probably, if the ref wouldn't ignore Ali's excessive holding, Frazier would have had even more success. Ali started the regain the control in the 6th, but then Frazier returned the favor in the next two rounds. Nevertheless, Ali provided another shift in the 9th, but Frazier increased the pressure in the 10th and the 12th, so the ending also wasn't easy to be judged. Overall, Ali seemed a bit better in this fight, but he was holding too much, while that disallowed Frazier to work properly.
#3
A great fight, it's just a bit behind the first one in terms of excitement, but still it's surpasses the first one in the level of tension and drama. It also was very close. Ali started good again, he was faster and more precise than Frazier, but Smokin' Joe kept coming forward. In the 3rd Ali provided spectacular rope-a-dope tactics, but he didn't use it effectively since then, as Frazier was wisely picking power punches in contrast to Foreman. Since the 4th the fight equaled and since the 5th Frazier clearly established the dominance. Ali was trying to bounce back early in the rounds, nearly successfully in the 7th and the 8th, but still Ali was always ending up on the ropes and having hard times there, especially in the 8th, after which Ali looked very exhausted. Smokin' Joe continued the pounding until the 11th, when his remaining good eye began to swell. Ali finally had more success in the 11th and 12th, although Frazier still seemed dangerous there. Yet in the 13th Frazier already could see nothing, he bravely kept the pressure, but missed a lot, while was opened too wide and was taking too much. After it continued in the 14th, Frazier's corner stopped the bout and victorious, but exhausted Ali collapsed in relief in his corner.
#1
A highly exciting and actioned packed showdown. The best out of all three bouts. Ali started strong, however, not that one-sided, as a lot tend to say. I'd even say, that a slow-starter Frazier won the first round. Yes, he started slow even in it, but he stole it eventually, as he landed several damaging left hooks and Ali slowed down himself after already the first one. Anyway, the first 5 rounds were pretty close and I had Ali in three of them. Since the 6th Ali was battered enough to show the signs of exhaustion. Frazier began to prevail since then, he also began to put more damage on Ali's body. Ali came back in the 9th though, he even wobbled Frazier a bit, but that was the last really good round for Ali. Smokin' Joe turned the fight in his favor again in the next round and in the 11th Frazier hurt Ali so much with another left hook, that Ali nearly suffered a knockdown, the ropes saved him. In the next round Frazier took a break, but still controlled the fight and the control continued to the final round, where Smokin' Joe ended the fight with an exclamation mark, as he knocked Ali down with his trademark left hook. Frazier won the fight fair-and-square.
#2
A very close and quite dirty bout due to the excessive holding by Ali. Well, overall, the fight was decent, but not enough good in the context of its participants' greatness. Ali started well and in the end of the 2nd he even hurt Frazier so much, that Frazier wobbled. A round ended right after that and it was a mistake by the ref (yeah, another one), cause 10 seconds remained. However, hardly Ali would develop much success if not that early break. Joe was able to come back in the next rounds. Some of the following rounds were very close and probably, if the ref wouldn't ignore Ali's excessive holding, Frazier would have had even more success. Ali started the regain the control in the 6th, but then Frazier returned the favor in the next two rounds. Nevertheless, Ali provided another shift in the 9th, but Frazier increased the pressure in the 10th and the 12th, so the ending also wasn't easy to be judged. Overall, Ali seemed a bit better in this fight, but he was holding too much, while that disallowed Frazier to work properly.
#3
A great fight, it's just a bit behind the first one in terms of excitement, but still it's surpasses the first one in the level of tension and drama. It also was very close. Ali started good again, he was faster and more precise than Frazier, but Smokin' Joe kept coming forward. In the 3rd Ali provided spectacular rope-a-dope tactics, but he didn't use it effectively since then, as Frazier was wisely picking power punches in contrast to Foreman. Since the 4th the fight equaled and since the 5th Frazier clearly established the dominance. Ali was trying to bounce back early in the rounds, nearly successfully in the 7th and the 8th, but still Ali was always ending up on the ropes and having hard times there, especially in the 8th, after which Ali looked very exhausted. Smokin' Joe continued the pounding until the 11th, when his remaining good eye began to swell. Ali finally had more success in the 11th and 12th, although Frazier still seemed dangerous there. Yet in the 13th Frazier already could see nothing, he bravely kept the pressure, but missed a lot, while was opened too wide and was taking too much. After it continued in the 14th, Frazier's corner stopped the bout and victorious, but exhausted Ali collapsed in relief in his corner.
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And now rewatched the Norton trilogy.
#1
The fight started in a pretty even and tactical fashion, I had it 2-2 after the first 4 rounds. After that Norton calculated Ali, while Ali showed up unprepared for Norton being a threat. So, Norton took a series of rounds after that. Ali was looking confused. Ali took another couple of rounds in the later part of the fight, but obviously that wasn't enough. Furthermore, Kenny had a very strong finish, as he hurt Ali about at the start of the last minute of the last round, after what Ken continued to batter Ali. According to Norton himself, he broke Ali's jaw exactly at that round, not earlier. And that sounded more trustworthy, cause Ali looked hurt most of all exactly during that episode and blood was coming from his mouth then. Norton dealed with Ali confidently.
#2
Ali came out there better prepared, he took a big part of the fight, the first 4 rounds. He didn't hurt Norton there, but he was moving and scoring more. Kenny woke up in the 5th. Since then the fight was pretty even, slightly edging towards Norton, but that was just a too late awakening for Ken, he wasn't able to fully shorten the lead, which Ali had established. So, eventually Ali edged the bout.
#3
Ali won the 1st round, but he started the fight in an absolutely foolish fashion. He mostly was clowning around, while Norton was methodically working. Since the 2nd Kenny took a solid series of rounds. Ali was having fun and taking a beating slowly but certainly. The Frazier bout #3 taught Ali nothing, as Ali was still underestimating his opponents and even trying rope-a-dope from time to time. Norton was establishing a lead. By the mid-rounds Ali understood, that he was wasting a lot of time and began to fight seriously. After that the fight became quite even, but still Norton was landing more damaging shots and in the result the conclusion of the fight was all Norton's. Kenny confidently won the last couple of rounds. And it was a confident performance overall. However, that time the judges were corrupt and Norton was robbed.
#1
The fight started in a pretty even and tactical fashion, I had it 2-2 after the first 4 rounds. After that Norton calculated Ali, while Ali showed up unprepared for Norton being a threat. So, Norton took a series of rounds after that. Ali was looking confused. Ali took another couple of rounds in the later part of the fight, but obviously that wasn't enough. Furthermore, Kenny had a very strong finish, as he hurt Ali about at the start of the last minute of the last round, after what Ken continued to batter Ali. According to Norton himself, he broke Ali's jaw exactly at that round, not earlier. And that sounded more trustworthy, cause Ali looked hurt most of all exactly during that episode and blood was coming from his mouth then. Norton dealed with Ali confidently.
#2
Ali came out there better prepared, he took a big part of the fight, the first 4 rounds. He didn't hurt Norton there, but he was moving and scoring more. Kenny woke up in the 5th. Since then the fight was pretty even, slightly edging towards Norton, but that was just a too late awakening for Ken, he wasn't able to fully shorten the lead, which Ali had established. So, eventually Ali edged the bout.
#3
Ali won the 1st round, but he started the fight in an absolutely foolish fashion. He mostly was clowning around, while Norton was methodically working. Since the 2nd Kenny took a solid series of rounds. Ali was having fun and taking a beating slowly but certainly. The Frazier bout #3 taught Ali nothing, as Ali was still underestimating his opponents and even trying rope-a-dope from time to time. Norton was establishing a lead. By the mid-rounds Ali understood, that he was wasting a lot of time and began to fight seriously. After that the fight became quite even, but still Norton was landing more damaging shots and in the result the conclusion of the fight was all Norton's. Kenny confidently won the last couple of rounds. And it was a confident performance overall. However, that time the judges were corrupt and Norton was robbed.
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Earnie Shavers vs Roy Williams.
A caveman slugfest. Back and forth power shots seemingly in slow motion as both fighters were exhausted. With Shavers all but gone, he comes back to knock Williams out. The ref gave Williams a standing eight count. Once waved back to action, Williams staggered to his right and fell flat on his face. End of.
A caveman slugfest. Back and forth power shots seemingly in slow motion as both fighters were exhausted. With Shavers all but gone, he comes back to knock Williams out. The ref gave Williams a standing eight count. Once waved back to action, Williams staggered to his right and fell flat on his face. End of.
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Acelino Freitas vs Jorge Barrios
Freitas stops the insanely tough and game Barrios in the last round to retain his World Super Featherweight titles, entertaining scrap, both men down twice and for the majority of the fight just had a tear up, Barrios dragged Freitas into a firefight from the first bell, both men reckless and just swinging from the rafters, not one for the purists, Freitas despite playing into Barrios's hand with his willingness to trade was still the better man and piled up a handy lead with his edge in quality, Barrios was having his moments early too but Freitas worked the jab better and set up the right hand
In the 8th though just as Freitas looked to be settling down and boxing Barrios, he got decked by a Barrios jab, he wasnt hurt though and quickly got up, Freitas got up and regained control next couple rounds but in the 11th Barrios had him down again and this time he was hurt, nailed with a textbook 1/2 Freitas did get up but Barrios battered him around the ring right up until about a second from the bell when Freitas caught Barrios flush with a big right hand, Barrios seemed to stand still for an eternity before collapsing to the canvas as the bell went
In the 12th, Barrios came out but still didnt have a clue where he was and Freitas decked him straight away with another right, Barrios got up on shaky legs, Freitas steamed in and Barrios fell to the canvas front what looked like a shove, the ref signalled no knockdown but before Barrios was allowed to continue his legs buckled and thr ref rightly waved it off, fun scrap
Freitas stops the insanely tough and game Barrios in the last round to retain his World Super Featherweight titles, entertaining scrap, both men down twice and for the majority of the fight just had a tear up, Barrios dragged Freitas into a firefight from the first bell, both men reckless and just swinging from the rafters, not one for the purists, Freitas despite playing into Barrios's hand with his willingness to trade was still the better man and piled up a handy lead with his edge in quality, Barrios was having his moments early too but Freitas worked the jab better and set up the right hand
In the 8th though just as Freitas looked to be settling down and boxing Barrios, he got decked by a Barrios jab, he wasnt hurt though and quickly got up, Freitas got up and regained control next couple rounds but in the 11th Barrios had him down again and this time he was hurt, nailed with a textbook 1/2 Freitas did get up but Barrios battered him around the ring right up until about a second from the bell when Freitas caught Barrios flush with a big right hand, Barrios seemed to stand still for an eternity before collapsing to the canvas as the bell went
In the 12th, Barrios came out but still didnt have a clue where he was and Freitas decked him straight away with another right, Barrios got up on shaky legs, Freitas steamed in and Barrios fell to the canvas front what looked like a shove, the ref signalled no knockdown but before Barrios was allowed to continue his legs buckled and thr ref rightly waved it off, fun scrap
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Acelino Freitas vs Zahir Raheem
Freitas wins a close SD to win vacant World Lightweight title, very close fight, tough to score, not a lot of action and it was a case of what you prefer, Freitas was the more conventional boxer, shaded a lot of the earlier rounds with some nice single right hands, Raheem was elusive but wasnt landing much though until the middle rounds when he began to trouble Freitas with his quick bursts, Raheem was sharper and quicker and he sprang into his attacks which made it messy and quite boring
There was nobody dominating the rounds and neither man could get a grip of the fight, Raheem was down a couple of times but no knockdown but one of them in the 4th could've been awarded after he shipped a Freitas right hand but he did seem to slip after, Raheem constantly ducked low and pushed Freitas over a few times and it lacked quality all the way to the finish, Raheem could've easily got the decision but it went to Freitas
Freitas wins a close SD to win vacant World Lightweight title, very close fight, tough to score, not a lot of action and it was a case of what you prefer, Freitas was the more conventional boxer, shaded a lot of the earlier rounds with some nice single right hands, Raheem was elusive but wasnt landing much though until the middle rounds when he began to trouble Freitas with his quick bursts, Raheem was sharper and quicker and he sprang into his attacks which made it messy and quite boring
There was nobody dominating the rounds and neither man could get a grip of the fight, Raheem was down a couple of times but no knockdown but one of them in the 4th could've been awarded after he shipped a Freitas right hand but he did seem to slip after, Raheem constantly ducked low and pushed Freitas over a few times and it lacked quality all the way to the finish, Raheem could've easily got the decision but it went to Freitas
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Ken Norton vs Jimmy Young
Norton started the fight as an aggressor, Young was economical and on the back foot, but still he was outboxing Norton early. Since the 5th round Nortan started getting to Young more and taking rounds. In the 10th Young hurt Norton, since that round Jimmy became more active. The late rounds were very close and it seemed to me, that Young was edging them a bit. In the last round Kenny was even more aggressive, he was pounding to Young's body with solid shots. Later in the round Young managed to hurt Norton a bit, but still Ken ended strong. It was a very close fight, I had Young winning it just by a point.
Norton started the fight as an aggressor, Young was economical and on the back foot, but still he was outboxing Norton early. Since the 5th round Nortan started getting to Young more and taking rounds. In the 10th Young hurt Norton, since that round Jimmy became more active. The late rounds were very close and it seemed to me, that Young was edging them a bit. In the last round Kenny was even more aggressive, he was pounding to Young's body with solid shots. Later in the round Young managed to hurt Norton a bit, but still Ken ended strong. It was a very close fight, I had Young winning it just by a point.
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Ken Norton vs Larry Holmes
Norton began chasing Holmes since the start, but he wasn't scoring much, which apparently was a part of his plan, as he had a goal to wear Holmes down, make Larry punch himself out. Holmes was moving excellently, his jab was great, he was outboxing Norton. Since the 6th round Norton sharpened his game and began to land good punches. The fight equaled and Kenny was edging it a bit in its second half, but it wasn't enough to shorten the big lead, which Holmes had established. In the 13th Larry hurt Norton quite badly, Kenny showed some guts, when he was taking the punishment at the end of that round. Norton also edged the last couple of rounds, thus he bounced back from clearly blown round 13. Anyway, Holmes was fighting well then and the 15th developed to an absolute war with both fighters hurting each other on multiple occasions. The fight was just great, Holmes won close, just by a point on my card.
Norton began chasing Holmes since the start, but he wasn't scoring much, which apparently was a part of his plan, as he had a goal to wear Holmes down, make Larry punch himself out. Holmes was moving excellently, his jab was great, he was outboxing Norton. Since the 6th round Norton sharpened his game and began to land good punches. The fight equaled and Kenny was edging it a bit in its second half, but it wasn't enough to shorten the big lead, which Holmes had established. In the 13th Larry hurt Norton quite badly, Kenny showed some guts, when he was taking the punishment at the end of that round. Norton also edged the last couple of rounds, thus he bounced back from clearly blown round 13. Anyway, Holmes was fighting well then and the 15th developed to an absolute war with both fighters hurting each other on multiple occasions. The fight was just great, Holmes won close, just by a point on my card.
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Larry Holmes vs Tim Witherspoon
Witherspoon was dictating the pace, but Holmes was controlling the fight in its first half pretty good. Witherspoon took only the 3rd round there. Since the 7th Witherspoon began to sharpen, he took that round. Larry regained control in the next one, but in the 9th Tim gave Holmes a total hell. Witherspoon was scoring with heavy blows and he hurt Holmes badly with a one of them, after what Tim unleashed the barrage of punches on the champion. However, Larry showed a huge heart and a granite chin, he took everything well and bravely started to fight back. Holmes even won the ending of the round, but still the 9th went to Witherspoon without a doubt. Anyway, Holmes regained control again in the next round. Tim also managed to win the 11th, but Larry finished well, he won the final one. Overall it was Holmes' fight. Larry wasn't winning rounds wide and the biggest shots were made by Witherspoon, while Tim was showing off and enjoying himself in the fight, so all those factors made a prism of a controvercy, but I don't see this bout as a robbery at all.
Witherspoon was dictating the pace, but Holmes was controlling the fight in its first half pretty good. Witherspoon took only the 3rd round there. Since the 7th Witherspoon began to sharpen, he took that round. Larry regained control in the next one, but in the 9th Tim gave Holmes a total hell. Witherspoon was scoring with heavy blows and he hurt Holmes badly with a one of them, after what Tim unleashed the barrage of punches on the champion. However, Larry showed a huge heart and a granite chin, he took everything well and bravely started to fight back. Holmes even won the ending of the round, but still the 9th went to Witherspoon without a doubt. Anyway, Holmes regained control again in the next round. Tim also managed to win the 11th, but Larry finished well, he won the final one. Overall it was Holmes' fight. Larry wasn't winning rounds wide and the biggest shots were made by Witherspoon, while Tim was showing off and enjoying himself in the fight, so all those factors made a prism of a controvercy, but I don't see this bout as a robbery at all.
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Larry Holmes vs Carl Williams
The fight started majorly as a tactical battle of the jabs. Williams was outjabbing the great jabber in Holmes. He also picked power punches well. Holmes was being outboxed. Carl won a solid row of the early rounds, but by the midpoint he began to tire and slow down. The second half of the fight was close overall. Holmes pushed the pace in desperation closer to the end of the bout, he feeled, that he was blowing it. But still Larry wasn't completely successful, Williams was fighting back despite the fact of being tired. Holmes failed to KO Williams and got the UD, which wasn't fair, in my opinion.
The fight started majorly as a tactical battle of the jabs. Williams was outjabbing the great jabber in Holmes. He also picked power punches well. Holmes was being outboxed. Carl won a solid row of the early rounds, but by the midpoint he began to tire and slow down. The second half of the fight was close overall. Holmes pushed the pace in desperation closer to the end of the bout, he feeled, that he was blowing it. But still Larry wasn't completely successful, Williams was fighting back despite the fact of being tired. Holmes failed to KO Williams and got the UD, which wasn't fair, in my opinion.
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Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas
Tyson came at Douglas with a will to end everything early, but Douglas didn't fall apart under Tyson's pressure and fought back. Tyson had almost no success, Douglas looked like a perfect boxer, he was breaking Tyson down with jabs all the time and when fight went in close quarters Douglas provided masterful combos. No round could be given to Tyson, except the 8th, where at the end of it Douglas blinked and Tyson timed an uppercut. Douglas got up and actually no controvercy was in that notorious "long count", as Douglas was getting up while watching on the ref's counting. Furthermore, there was the bell right after he got up, so Tyson wouldn't be able to go for the kill in any case. In the next round Buster continued to destroy Tyson. Mike had very hard times at the end of the round, he was wobbled by a series of solid blows. In the 10th round Buster was bombing Tyson with jabs, Tyson was trying to get through them, but in the process he became opened for the uppercut, which rocked Mike very hard. Right after that the barrage of the following punches sent Tyson down and he was counted out. Judges' cards by the moment of the stoppage sucked, only one judge had the correct 82-88, while another had a draw and the remaining one even had Tyson up.
Tyson came at Douglas with a will to end everything early, but Douglas didn't fall apart under Tyson's pressure and fought back. Tyson had almost no success, Douglas looked like a perfect boxer, he was breaking Tyson down with jabs all the time and when fight went in close quarters Douglas provided masterful combos. No round could be given to Tyson, except the 8th, where at the end of it Douglas blinked and Tyson timed an uppercut. Douglas got up and actually no controvercy was in that notorious "long count", as Douglas was getting up while watching on the ref's counting. Furthermore, there was the bell right after he got up, so Tyson wouldn't be able to go for the kill in any case. In the next round Buster continued to destroy Tyson. Mike had very hard times at the end of the round, he was wobbled by a series of solid blows. In the 10th round Buster was bombing Tyson with jabs, Tyson was trying to get through them, but in the process he became opened for the uppercut, which rocked Mike very hard. Right after that the barrage of the following punches sent Tyson down and he was counted out. Judges' cards by the moment of the stoppage sucked, only one judge had the correct 82-88, while another had a draw and the remaining one even had Tyson up.
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Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer
A great and competetive slugfest. Mercer started fast and took the 1st round. Lewis was fighting back though and calculated Mercer. In the 2nd Lewis came out more prepared. Lennox hurt Ray early and established the control. At the end of the round Mercer tried to steal it and provided a flurry, but most of his shots were blocked. Lewis continued to control the bout in the 3rd with frequent jabbing and picking power punches well. Mercer, however, also did a good jabbing in this bout, his jabs were cleaner. In the 4th Lennox hurt Ray pretty badly in the middle of the round, Mercer showed great chin and heart, cause later in the round Mercer tried to steal it and unleashed the onslaught on Lewis. However, Lennox was fighting back in this episode, so overall Lewis had more success in this round. In the 5th both already became tired a bit and didn't sharpen in this round, while Lewis was controllong it. In the 6th Lewis was trying to continue in the same fashion and Mercer provided a solid rally in order to shift the momentum and he did it. In the 7th Lewis was more prepared, he controlled the round and Mercer's attempts to sharpen in the middle of it weren't effective, while Lewis hurt Mercer at the end and finished the round decisevely. In the 8th Lewis was in total control and in the 9th he probably decided to take a round off, which was used by Mercer. Both were tired by the 10th and final round. Lewis came out strong and controlled the majority of it in his common fashion. Mercer was a bit more successful closer to the bell, but that wasn't enough. Overall it was a great effort by Mercer, but Lewis won the fight pretty clearly.
A great and competetive slugfest. Mercer started fast and took the 1st round. Lewis was fighting back though and calculated Mercer. In the 2nd Lewis came out more prepared. Lennox hurt Ray early and established the control. At the end of the round Mercer tried to steal it and provided a flurry, but most of his shots were blocked. Lewis continued to control the bout in the 3rd with frequent jabbing and picking power punches well. Mercer, however, also did a good jabbing in this bout, his jabs were cleaner. In the 4th Lennox hurt Ray pretty badly in the middle of the round, Mercer showed great chin and heart, cause later in the round Mercer tried to steal it and unleashed the onslaught on Lewis. However, Lennox was fighting back in this episode, so overall Lewis had more success in this round. In the 5th both already became tired a bit and didn't sharpen in this round, while Lewis was controllong it. In the 6th Lewis was trying to continue in the same fashion and Mercer provided a solid rally in order to shift the momentum and he did it. In the 7th Lewis was more prepared, he controlled the round and Mercer's attempts to sharpen in the middle of it weren't effective, while Lewis hurt Mercer at the end and finished the round decisevely. In the 8th Lewis was in total control and in the 9th he probably decided to take a round off, which was used by Mercer. Both were tired by the 10th and final round. Lewis came out strong and controlled the majority of it in his common fashion. Mercer was a bit more successful closer to the bell, but that wasn't enough. Overall it was a great effort by Mercer, but Lewis won the fight pretty clearly.
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Re: Classic fights I've watched recently
Terry McGovern vs Joe Gans
McGovern stops Gans in the 2nd round of a non title Lightweight fight, strong rumours the fix was in here, so much so that boxing was banned in Illinois for nearly 30 years afterwards, who knows it's hard to tell with grainy footage, Gans was down twice in the 1st, first knockdown was a left hook around back of head, McGovern had him down again right at the end of the round but not sure if it was push
McGovern just swarmed Gans from the bell and roughed him up, Gans was down 6 times in the 2nd before it was stopped, first knockdown of the 2nd round, McGovern nailed Gans clean with a left hook, never a dive the second KD was a massive right hand over the top, again never a dive, the third KD was more of a push as McGovern steamed in, the fourth KD was another left hook, Gans was still shaky, fifth KD was another shove and the sixth and final KD was the left again
IMO it wasnt a fix,, the KD in the 1st was legit as was the first 2 in the 2nd round, the others were messy but that looked more because of Gans not recovering from the earlier knockdowns, I'm sure there was easier ways for Gans to throw the fight than to repeatedly get up off the canvas
McGovern stops Gans in the 2nd round of a non title Lightweight fight, strong rumours the fix was in here, so much so that boxing was banned in Illinois for nearly 30 years afterwards, who knows it's hard to tell with grainy footage, Gans was down twice in the 1st, first knockdown was a left hook around back of head, McGovern had him down again right at the end of the round but not sure if it was push
McGovern just swarmed Gans from the bell and roughed him up, Gans was down 6 times in the 2nd before it was stopped, first knockdown of the 2nd round, McGovern nailed Gans clean with a left hook, never a dive the second KD was a massive right hand over the top, again never a dive, the third KD was more of a push as McGovern steamed in, the fourth KD was another left hook, Gans was still shaky, fifth KD was another shove and the sixth and final KD was the left again
IMO it wasnt a fix,, the KD in the 1st was legit as was the first 2 in the 2nd round, the others were messy but that looked more because of Gans not recovering from the earlier knockdowns, I'm sure there was easier ways for Gans to throw the fight than to repeatedly get up off the canvas
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Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield dilogy
#1
A one of the worst examples of judging in boxing, utterly terrible. And a great master class by Lewis. He controlled the fight in every round. Actually, no rounds could be given to Holyfield there. Evander's best efforts were in the 3rd, where he had planned to KO Lewis, and in the 10th, where Holyfield was driven by his corner, as he was losing wide and needed a KO. But in both those rounds Lewis managed to suppress Holyfield's efforts and outbox Evander. Lewis scored more in those two rounds, just like in any other round of this bout. That was a shotout by Lennox. The decision was corrupt and obviously it was like that in order to make more money with a rivalry for the undisputed championship.
#2
Holyfield came out better prepared, more willing to engage. Yet Lewis won the first 5 rounds, although with in a closer fashion in comparison to how he was doing in the first bout. By the mid-rounds Holyfield decided to provide even more effort, he took the 6th round. Lewis tried to come back in the 7th, but Holyfield didn't let him do it. In that round Evander managed to hurt Lewis. However, Lennox adapted and established the control in the later rounds. Holyfield still was trying to fight, but Lewis was outfighting him. Thus, the bout became more action-packed than the previous one. So, Lewis confidently outfought Holyfield, he even dared to slow down in the last round and Holyfield took it, which obviously wasn't enough to secure a win. Nevertheless, it was the last great effort by Evander Holyfield, he was never the same after this fight. While Lewis became the undisputed champion only to continue his reign over the division.
#1
A one of the worst examples of judging in boxing, utterly terrible. And a great master class by Lewis. He controlled the fight in every round. Actually, no rounds could be given to Holyfield there. Evander's best efforts were in the 3rd, where he had planned to KO Lewis, and in the 10th, where Holyfield was driven by his corner, as he was losing wide and needed a KO. But in both those rounds Lewis managed to suppress Holyfield's efforts and outbox Evander. Lewis scored more in those two rounds, just like in any other round of this bout. That was a shotout by Lennox. The decision was corrupt and obviously it was like that in order to make more money with a rivalry for the undisputed championship.
#2
Holyfield came out better prepared, more willing to engage. Yet Lewis won the first 5 rounds, although with in a closer fashion in comparison to how he was doing in the first bout. By the mid-rounds Holyfield decided to provide even more effort, he took the 6th round. Lewis tried to come back in the 7th, but Holyfield didn't let him do it. In that round Evander managed to hurt Lewis. However, Lennox adapted and established the control in the later rounds. Holyfield still was trying to fight, but Lewis was outfighting him. Thus, the bout became more action-packed than the previous one. So, Lewis confidently outfought Holyfield, he even dared to slow down in the last round and Holyfield took it, which obviously wasn't enough to secure a win. Nevertheless, it was the last great effort by Evander Holyfield, he was never the same after this fight. While Lewis became the undisputed champion only to continue his reign over the division.
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Lennox Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko
A one of the best bouts ever. Two big heavyweights came out there to fight each other. Lewis was out of shape, he expected and easy work, he started aggressive in order to KO Klitschko fast. But Klitschko began to fight back and he was more successful at the early stages. In the 2nd round Klitschko's punches shook Lewis not once. Klitschko scored with solid jabs, right hands, one-twos. Yet Lewis continued to come forward in the 3rd, where Lennox opened a very bad cut over Klitschko's left eye. Lennox took that round, but in the next one Vitali bounced back. However, Lewis provided another shift of momentum, when he scored effectively in the 5th round both to the head and to the body of Klitschko. After that Vitali had some success in the round, but Lennox also finished it stronger. Both were tired and clinched more. In the 6th round Lewis landed a huge uppercut, which bounced Klitschko's head backwards. It's a miracle that Vitali didn't fall. So, it seemed, that Lewis equaled the fight, but it was stopped on the doctor's advice due to the severe nature of Klitschko's cut, which only was getting worse.
The thing I don't understand is why everyone think, that Klitschko was winning, as if Lewis was lucky to make that cut, cause he was on the way to a loss. Hell, no. Why some of the judges scored the 3rd and the 5th for Klitschko? It should have been Klitschko 1, 2, 4 and Lewis 3, 5, 6. Of course, Klitschko deserves a credit for providing an unexpected challenge for Lewis, but he wasn't better than Lewis that night.
A one of the best bouts ever. Two big heavyweights came out there to fight each other. Lewis was out of shape, he expected and easy work, he started aggressive in order to KO Klitschko fast. But Klitschko began to fight back and he was more successful at the early stages. In the 2nd round Klitschko's punches shook Lewis not once. Klitschko scored with solid jabs, right hands, one-twos. Yet Lewis continued to come forward in the 3rd, where Lennox opened a very bad cut over Klitschko's left eye. Lennox took that round, but in the next one Vitali bounced back. However, Lewis provided another shift of momentum, when he scored effectively in the 5th round both to the head and to the body of Klitschko. After that Vitali had some success in the round, but Lennox also finished it stronger. Both were tired and clinched more. In the 6th round Lewis landed a huge uppercut, which bounced Klitschko's head backwards. It's a miracle that Vitali didn't fall. So, it seemed, that Lewis equaled the fight, but it was stopped on the doctor's advice due to the severe nature of Klitschko's cut, which only was getting worse.
The thing I don't understand is why everyone think, that Klitschko was winning, as if Lewis was lucky to make that cut, cause he was on the way to a loss. Hell, no. Why some of the judges scored the 3rd and the 5th for Klitschko? It should have been Klitschko 1, 2, 4 and Lewis 3, 5, 6. Of course, Klitschko deserves a credit for providing an unexpected challenge for Lewis, but he wasn't better than Lewis that night.
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Arturo Gatti vs Tracy Harris Patterson 1+2
Gatti outboxes Patterson over 12 rounds to become World Super Featherweight champion, a bit of a schooling from Gatti who rarely traded and elected to box Patterson over the distance, he kept cool, calm and composed, he had Patterson down in the 2nd from a lovely right uppercut, Gatti won the fight pretty much on the jab alone, he rarely sat down on his punches and allowed Patterson up close, he kept him at bay on the outside of the jab, Patterson was too passive and Gatti piled up points, the only time Gatti threw power punches was when Patterson clipped him which wasnt very often and Gatti made sure he got the last word in the exchange, Patterson did wobble Gatti momentarily in the 11th with a right hand but Gatti kept cool and seen it out to become a comfortable winner, scores a bit too close, Patterson found a bit of urgency late on but never looked like clawing it back
Gatti wins the rematch to retain his title, again it was by UD and again it was deserved, the ref had a shocker though got 2 big calls wrong, in the 1st Patterson rocked Gatti with a right backed him on the ropes and whipped in a sickening left to the body which dropped Gatti heavily and had him gasping for air, ref calls low blow and gives Gatti around 30 seconds to recover, it was early in the round and I'm sure Patterson wouldve fancied his chances for the stoppage, also in the 9th Patterson slips after throwing a punch and ref calls knockdown, horrendous reffing and done Patterson no favours
Overall though Patterson should've done more, his accuracy was maybe better than Gatti's but he was throwing half as many shots, even when Gatti lost point for low blows, Patterson never done enough to make it a 2 point round, he had some nice work but nowhere near as busy as Gatti who ran out a clear winner
Gatti outboxes Patterson over 12 rounds to become World Super Featherweight champion, a bit of a schooling from Gatti who rarely traded and elected to box Patterson over the distance, he kept cool, calm and composed, he had Patterson down in the 2nd from a lovely right uppercut, Gatti won the fight pretty much on the jab alone, he rarely sat down on his punches and allowed Patterson up close, he kept him at bay on the outside of the jab, Patterson was too passive and Gatti piled up points, the only time Gatti threw power punches was when Patterson clipped him which wasnt very often and Gatti made sure he got the last word in the exchange, Patterson did wobble Gatti momentarily in the 11th with a right hand but Gatti kept cool and seen it out to become a comfortable winner, scores a bit too close, Patterson found a bit of urgency late on but never looked like clawing it back
Gatti wins the rematch to retain his title, again it was by UD and again it was deserved, the ref had a shocker though got 2 big calls wrong, in the 1st Patterson rocked Gatti with a right backed him on the ropes and whipped in a sickening left to the body which dropped Gatti heavily and had him gasping for air, ref calls low blow and gives Gatti around 30 seconds to recover, it was early in the round and I'm sure Patterson wouldve fancied his chances for the stoppage, also in the 9th Patterson slips after throwing a punch and ref calls knockdown, horrendous reffing and done Patterson no favours
Overall though Patterson should've done more, his accuracy was maybe better than Gatti's but he was throwing half as many shots, even when Gatti lost point for low blows, Patterson never done enough to make it a 2 point round, he had some nice work but nowhere near as busy as Gatti who ran out a clear winner
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Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye
Both started very cautious, while Klitschko was pressing forward and throwing more. He took the first couple of rounds based on the higher activity. Haye was demonstrating his slickness well and in the next couple of rounds he began to counter more and tagged Klitschko with some right hands. In the 5th round Wlad threw a one-two and he rocked Haye with the right hand. Haye managed to escape from the following shots, but he was shaken pretty hard by that right hand. That's was the best punch of the fight. Since then Haye started to be more cautious and less active. Klitschko continued to be more aggressive and was winning rounds based on this without hurting Haye much. David also had a tactics of touching the canvas in every clinch. The ref was bought on this trick in the 7th and took a point from Wlad for pushing Haye down. Steward was mad after that round and came at the ref with objections in the break. In the 9th Haye tagged Wlad again, after what Klitschko became more cautious, but sharpened at the end of the round and returned a favor. In the 11th the ref counted Haye after another touching of the canvas. In the 12th both came out a bit more active, although still nobody was hurting the opponent. Klitschko won the fight wide.
Both started very cautious, while Klitschko was pressing forward and throwing more. He took the first couple of rounds based on the higher activity. Haye was demonstrating his slickness well and in the next couple of rounds he began to counter more and tagged Klitschko with some right hands. In the 5th round Wlad threw a one-two and he rocked Haye with the right hand. Haye managed to escape from the following shots, but he was shaken pretty hard by that right hand. That's was the best punch of the fight. Since then Haye started to be more cautious and less active. Klitschko continued to be more aggressive and was winning rounds based on this without hurting Haye much. David also had a tactics of touching the canvas in every clinch. The ref was bought on this trick in the 7th and took a point from Wlad for pushing Haye down. Steward was mad after that round and came at the ref with objections in the break. In the 9th Haye tagged Wlad again, after what Klitschko became more cautious, but sharpened at the end of the round and returned a favor. In the 11th the ref counted Haye after another touching of the canvas. In the 12th both came out a bit more active, although still nobody was hurting the opponent. Klitschko won the fight wide.
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Wladimir Klitschko vs Tyson Fury
Klitschko was an aggressor, but he was just pressing, mostly without punching, because he was frustrated by the elusiveness of Fury. Tyson was moving and feinting constantly, not allowing Wlad to set a target, while Wlad was unwilling to take risks. Fury used his jab well and clinched at almost every case of the fight going into close quarters. So, it's fair to say, that Fury beat Klitschko with his weapon. Fury was taking round after round in such fashion. In the 9th Klitschko threw a one-two and hurt Tyson a bit with the right hand, but The Gypsy King later returned a favor and stole the round. At the end of the 11th Fury was deducted a point for repeated rabbit punching, but actually Klitschko had provided a foul earlier in this round, when he had made an intentional headbutt. The ref somehow missed that. In the 12th Klitschko sharpened, while Fury was just trying to last until the final bell, acknowledging his big lead. Klitschko finally won a round, but obviously it was too late. Fury got the decision.
Klitschko was an aggressor, but he was just pressing, mostly without punching, because he was frustrated by the elusiveness of Fury. Tyson was moving and feinting constantly, not allowing Wlad to set a target, while Wlad was unwilling to take risks. Fury used his jab well and clinched at almost every case of the fight going into close quarters. So, it's fair to say, that Fury beat Klitschko with his weapon. Fury was taking round after round in such fashion. In the 9th Klitschko threw a one-two and hurt Tyson a bit with the right hand, but The Gypsy King later returned a favor and stole the round. At the end of the 11th Fury was deducted a point for repeated rabbit punching, but actually Klitschko had provided a foul earlier in this round, when he had made an intentional headbutt. The ref somehow missed that. In the 12th Klitschko sharpened, while Fury was just trying to last until the final bell, acknowledging his big lead. Klitschko finally won a round, but obviously it was too late. Fury got the decision.
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Angel Manfredy vs Arturo Gatti
Manfredy stops Gatti after 8 rounds on a badly cut left eye in a non title Lightweight scrap, gutting to see it end like that as it was a great fight and all in the balance, the action ebbed and flowed, both men put together hard crisp combinations, worked the jab, targeted the body of each other
Things turned on its head in the 3rd when Manfredy dropped Gatti like a stone from a left hook, Gatti was throwing his own but Manfredy's got there first, Gatti got up but was badly hurt but being Gatti he fought his way out of trouble and got back in the fight, his eye was getting worse though and it was no surprise it was stopped really despite Gatti having a good spell, Manfredy showed though he was as tough as Gatti
Manfredy stops Gatti after 8 rounds on a badly cut left eye in a non title Lightweight scrap, gutting to see it end like that as it was a great fight and all in the balance, the action ebbed and flowed, both men put together hard crisp combinations, worked the jab, targeted the body of each other
Things turned on its head in the 3rd when Manfredy dropped Gatti like a stone from a left hook, Gatti was throwing his own but Manfredy's got there first, Gatti got up but was badly hurt but being Gatti he fought his way out of trouble and got back in the fight, his eye was getting worse though and it was no surprise it was stopped really despite Gatti having a good spell, Manfredy showed though he was as tough as Gatti
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The fight is still that weird mix of being quite dull and yet somehow absorbing.Wladimir Klitschko vs Tyson Fury
A match-up between two, colossal and powerful men that would ultimately be a rather subtle fencing match.
I'll say this for Fury and his team,,,,,they got all their key calls spot on.
They knew Tyson was plenty big enough for Wlad not to try and bomb him out and that they could survive this even if it did happen at some point and even profit.....and they also knew that Tyson could easily win a technical-tactical fight.
Wlad gets himself caught between two stools nearly almost all-night long.
He never fancies really pressing it and unloading but he can't quite edge the close, cagey rounds either. Fury is just a wee bit too quick and cute on that front as well.
And meanwhile Fury is doing just enough sufficient/good work as the challenger and never lapses into being passive.
it is such a clever, clever fight for Fury.....and Wlad did not get what was being done until a bit too late in the day.
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George Foreman vs Ron Lyle
Despite the fact of developing to a great slugfest, the fight started tactical. Foreman was overall better with his jab and more variable combos. He blew the 1st round, cause Lyle caught him with right hand there and dazed him, but then it seemed, that Foreman was in control. In the 4th Lyle began to look tired and probably he was indeed feeling, that he had to do something right then, so he provided more effort. He was countering more to Foreman's attacks and finally was successful. After Foreman went down for the first time he fought back and sent Lyle to a harder knockdown. It was George's mistake though, that he was trying to finish Lyle off in a too reckless way. Lyle caught Foreman with a very hard blow in the end of the round. Foreman fell down flat on his face. He got up, but was saved by the bell. I guess, if this KD happened a bit earlier, Lyle would finish Foreman off. Foreman got lucky in some sense. In the 5th they both were totally exhausted and thus defenceless, but they continued to fight on their toughness and Foreman had a bit more of it.
Despite the fact of developing to a great slugfest, the fight started tactical. Foreman was overall better with his jab and more variable combos. He blew the 1st round, cause Lyle caught him with right hand there and dazed him, but then it seemed, that Foreman was in control. In the 4th Lyle began to look tired and probably he was indeed feeling, that he had to do something right then, so he provided more effort. He was countering more to Foreman's attacks and finally was successful. After Foreman went down for the first time he fought back and sent Lyle to a harder knockdown. It was George's mistake though, that he was trying to finish Lyle off in a too reckless way. Lyle caught Foreman with a very hard blow in the end of the round. Foreman fell down flat on his face. He got up, but was saved by the bell. I guess, if this KD happened a bit earlier, Lyle would finish Foreman off. Foreman got lucky in some sense. In the 5th they both were totally exhausted and thus defenceless, but they continued to fight on their toughness and Foreman had a bit more of it.